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Kevin
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Would Amsoil be good? Or should i just go to the dealer and get the fluid and filter there? Also about how much is it gonna take?
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3/14/2006
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Since nobody responded for 5 days I will post something.
As a substitute for ATF+4, please consider AMSOIL Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid.
Since 1999, due to the special requirements of their automatic transmissions, Chrysler has recommended a unique ATF+4 formulation. In addition, Chrysler has been recommending ATF+4 for all previous makes and models of Chrysler Corporation vehicles. ATF+4 is a VERY highly friction modified fluid.
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AMSOIL Synthetic Universal ATF
Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
.......... Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
AMSOIL Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid is a universal ATF designed to exceed nearly all foreign and domestic performance requirements. It improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures by 20 to 50 degrees F and increases transmission life. Provides unsurpassed thermal stability and at least 3 times (and up to 5 times) the life of conventional ATFs. Delivers maximum protection for towing and other severe-duty applications. Formulated with synthetic basestocks and the top-of-the-line additive package, AMSOIL ATF provides top performance, durability & efficiency.
Key Benefits to You:
(1) Cleaner transmission components, (2) More efficient power transfer, (3) Lower Transmission temperatures, (4) Dramatically less transmission wear, (5) Smoother cold temperature operation, (6) Long drain intervals
Compatible Applications:
Nearly all passenger cars (foreign & domestic), Nearly all light duty trucks (including Dodge Dakotas and Durangos).
Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
GM Dexron II, Dexron III; Ford Mercon, Mercon V; Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4; Mitsubishi Diamond SP II & III; Allison C-3 & C-4 and TES-295; Caterpillar Powershift Transmission TO-2 & TO-3; Voith Commercial Transmissions; GM Strasbourg (European Imports) and Opel; Applications requiring Honda Z-1 transmission fluids; Toyota Type T and T-IV
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3/14/2006
06:23:38
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For those of you interested in DIY when Changing Your Transmission Fluid.
If you are going to DIY ... You can pick up a filter kit from AutoZone for about $10 and it contains the filter and gasket. It is not nessasary to use any silicon or gasket sealer just be sure your pan surface is clean. NOTE: It is a messy DIY job.
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Changing Your Transmission Fluid in 12 EASY Steps:
1. Make sure the fluid is warm. Warm up your Dakota so the transmission is at normal operating temperature. Pull the transmission dipstick. Fresh fluid is translucent and cherry red. Some darkening is normal, but if it is reddish brown or mustard color and smells like burnt varnish, it is worn out.
2. Drain the fluid by loosening the pan. Select the correct filter replacement based on pan shape and prepare a large pan to catch the fluid. Then loosen each pan bolt a turn or two and loosen one corner more than rest. Drain mostly from this corner.
3. Finish removing the pan and any gasket material from the pan or case. Avoid scratching the metal and make sure the pan’s gasket surface isn’t bent or distorted.
4. Remove the old filter. Most transmission filters are held in place with a bolt or two, but some are held by a clip. Be careful to include O-Rings or other seals.
5. Install a new filter. Use the clips or bolts from the old filter. Be sure O-Rings, etc. are in place. If the filter has a long intake neck, gently push the neck into place without unseating the O-Ring.
6. Clean the pan thoroughly. Inspect the pan before cleaning. A small amount of fine grey clutch dust is normal. However, if you find metal shavings, there has been transmission damage. Clean the pan with solvent and wipe dry so there is no harmful residue.
7. Position gasket on pan. Some gaskets have four holes slightly smaller than the rest to allow four bolts through the pan and through these smaller holes to hold the gasket in place.
8. Hand tighten pan bolts in a criss-cross pattern. After that, use a torque wrench to tighten bolts to proper ft-lbs as per manufacturer.
9. Refill the transmission using only the amount shown as “refill capacity” in the owners manual (or "AMSOIL Product Selection Guide”), using the type of fluid specified for the vehicle.
10. If doing only a partial fluid replacement, skip to instruction 12 below. If doing a complete fluid replacement, follow the steps in instruction 11.
11. You now have replaced the fluid in the pan. To replace the fluid in the torque converter and oil cooler also, follow these steps.
Step 1. Obtain the total system capacity of the vehicle from the manufacturer. Have this amount readily available.
Step 2. Disconnect the oil cooler line from the oil cooler. As you may not know which is the pressure side and which is the return side, have both directed so the stream of fluid will be directed toward a receptacle.
Step 3. With another person, be prepared to add ATF to the fill area as it is being pumped out of the oil cooler line.
Step 4. Start the engine, and as the old fluid is pumped out, add fresh fluid to the pan.
Step 5. When either the fluid color brightens or the total capacity has been replaced, shut the engine off and re-attach the oil cooler line. All fluids has now been changed.
12. Recheck the fluid level. With the truck on level ground, set the parking brake and the transmission in “Park” or “Neutral.” Let the engine idle for a few minutes. Shift the transmission into different positions before returning the lever to “Park” or “Neutral.” Check the fluid level again and check for leaks.
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This is really a "two-person" DIY operation. The ATF will come out faster than it goes in ... so you may need to stop and restart the engine a few times.
PLEASE CONSIDER ... AMSOIL SYNTHETIC UNIVERSAL ATF.
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Sneezer
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3/14/2006
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Keep in mind that nothing is identical to ATF+4. Amsoil, as do all the others, claim compatibility with ATF+4, and it may exceed the basic specs for the fluid. However, the additives Mopar uses are theirs only. Currently the additive combination has not been released for 3rd party use. Chrysler has always had tranny problems when it comes to fluids. Just look at the A-604/41TE debacle. Chrysler also has a TSB out on this issue for the A604/41TE. If it were me, I would stick with ATF+4 until Mopar releases it for 3rd party manufacture. Amsoil makes some good stuff, but I would be hesitant when it comes to ATF+4 claims.
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pm0084
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3/14/2006
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I have used Amsoil trans fluid in all my previous cars, and am a firm believer it's better than anything out there including ATF 4
Every vehicle I know of using amsoil has 0 problems compared to the many the others had.
I just bought a 03 dakota R/T and the 1st things I did was flushed the engine and replace oil with mobil 1 syn. (sorry Amsoil Guy) And then I took it to a shop down the road and had Amsoil trans fluid put in. This is just my observations, and opinion though.
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3/15/2006
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pm0084,
You acknowledge that Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF is ...
... "better than anything out there including ATF 4".
Then why not give our motor oils and gear lubes a try?
Maybe you would feel the same about our Amsoil oils and lubes!
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OBIO3
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3/15/2006
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I was seriously considering going with amsoil In my trany this month. I had to change my direction. I have a warrenty on mine that will not expire for another 40,000 miles. Got to change it every 30,000 for it to be valid. At this point,It's a no brainer to retain the requirments of the policy.
So many problems .... So little time
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jpkomm
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3/16/2006
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I've been using AMSOIL 5w-30XL (Group III), Synthetic Gear Lube, and Universal ATF. I flushed the tranny fluid with AMSOIL at 25k and did the oil at 27k. I just rolled the 30k mark and the truck is still shifting as smooth as ever. The tranny fluid is still a bright amber--just like the day it was put in. I check the oil yesterday and it is still a bright brown color (teamed with an AMSOIL Ea Nanofiber oil filter!). I should have no problem getting another 2k or so out of this oil with my driving habits and conditions (dusty, sometimes off-road). I would like to try the Group IV oil though to see how far I can take it; I am very impressed with how far I have taken the Group III oil so far! Castrol Syntec always looked about black at 3k miles. The gear lube got rid of my rear end chatter that I kept having with the Mopar fluid. Overall, I am extremely happy with AMSOIL products. I'm still wanting to do a power steering flush (w/ ATF) and a coolant flush, but it isn't quite in my budget right now. It shall happen though; Oh yes, it shall!
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mtnxrDak
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3/18/2006
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Amsoil made my tranny perform and sound better than when I bought the truck.
I encourage you to use Amsoil.
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Dark Jedi
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3/18/2006
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Sneezer the ATF+4 formula has be released by dodge. aftermarket atf fluid companies are making it right now. I have seen alot of dakota and durango owners have nothign but praise for the amsoil universal atf fluid. not one has ever reported a problem. I will not use it as I still have an extended warranty. dont want to void it just yet. but I will try it at 90,000 miles. as the next service will be at 60,000 and the warranty expires at 70,000. but dont knock it till your try it.
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Fastyz400
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3/18/2006
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Screw Dodges ATF+4. After the transmission failed at 50,000 miles with yearly service on ATF+4.
I am using Amsoil now after the rebuild.
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3/18/2006
22:11:06
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FYI ... ATF+4 Background Information
Chrysler went from ATF+ (MS 7176B) to ATF+4 in less than ten years. Essentially they were trying to make up for shifting problems in some of their transmissions by "tweaking" the frictional properties of their fluid rather than recalling the affected units. The ATF+4 fluid does seem to have solved the problems with some of the transmissions.
However, I know many Dodge owners that have noticeable and significant improvements switching to Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF. They state that the transmission characteristics are better than when it was new.
AMSOIL Synthetic UNIVERSAL ATF is truely "Universal"
Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
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I spoke with Amsoil Corporate and here are their comments:
"The AMSOIL ATF is far superior to an ATF blended with hydro treated naphthenic oil. Secondly it uses a premium additive chemistry that meets the static and dynamic coefficient of friction parameters to meet ATF+4 requirements. It also meets the coefficients of friction parameters for MERCON, MERCON V, DEXRON III, and Diamond SPIII.
Although the additive chemistry may be slightly different than the exclusive MOPAR fluid from the factory, it still follows suit with the parameters set forth by Daimler Chrysler. All AMSOIL lubricants are designed to improve performance and increase protection to engine and transmission components."
"Further more, Chrysler developed the +4 spec to "fix" an inherent chattering problem with the Chrysler transmissions. That is the sole reason why Chrysler recommends +4 fluid and this is why nobody offers a +4 fluid. On the other hand there are fluids that are far superior to Chryslers +4 specs, including AMSOIL !"
"We didn’t just one day decide to make this claim just for the heck of it. This was very carefully researched ... and we have been developing superior fluids for over 34 years."
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Dan Rindler
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Where can I purchase Amsoil products? Coldwater. OH. 45828
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scamsoil has been discontinued
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martinex
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Sounds like a lift if required or at least jack stands. The problem with taking it to a shop is they force you to use their products.
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darwin
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are amsoil, atf+4, dexron II compatible? are they ok when mixed?
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Avoid all amsoil products its nothing but gimick
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