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3/02/2006
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99DAK,
Have you been under a rock? While you are crawling out please remember to compare Apples to Apples, Steaks to Steaks (not ground steak), Wine to wine (and not water), Etc.
Exxon Mobil (Mobil1) is screaming it from the top of the mountain with their new Mobil1 EP (Extended Performance) Motor Oil rated at 15k mile oil changes.
The differences:
Mobil1 rated at 15k mile oil change interval, and priced between $9.00 - $12.00 qt.
Amsoil rated at 25k mile oil change interval, and priced between $5.05 - $6.85 qt.
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THE AMSOIL PREFERRED CUSTOMER PRICE DIFFERENCE
AMSOIL 5w-30 100% FULL SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL (Quart / Gallon / Case )
------ AMSOIL PRICE QUOTES (Feb. 2006 Price List) ------
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- AMSOIL Retail Price for 5w-30 ........... = $6.75 quart.
- AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $5.35 quart.
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- AMSOIL Retail Price for 5w-30 ........... = $26.20 gallon
- AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $20.80 gallon.
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- AMSOIL Retail Price for 5w-30 ........... = $79.80 case
- AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $60.60 case
............................ or ONLY $5.05 per qt.
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P.S.
99DAK,
The fat and gristle trimmed off mechanic's Porterhouse Steak winds up in your ground hamburger meat. How do I know? A relative was a butcher! ... I check my facts before I post!
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/02/2006
22:23:23
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Some DODGE DEALERSHIPS prefer Porterhouse Steak !!!
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Some DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL !!!
This was posted by Sephiroth 3/20/2004
V8 Forum --- Subject: New Chrysler Product?!
Message posted by Sephiroth:
"I went in to have my brakes checked today, and when I walked into the garage the first thing I saw made my jaw hit the floor. My local dealership now uses and sells AMSOIL products!! They've got it posted on a big banner over the service-desks. GM may not have been able to get it for their 'vettes, but obviously Dodge was able to, or they found out how awesome it is and started buying at regular price! When I go in for a tranny-filter, fluid, and gasket change next week, it's getting filled with AMSOIL."
Sephiroth went on to state:
"This is at the Raleigh, NC dealership, Al Smith Buick, Dodge, Mazda. I told the guy at the desk I was astounded to see them using AMS and that I had been using it for a while now. After he rode in the truck he said he'd be switching next oil-change in his Ram.
As for me, I've got it in the engine, and I'll have it in the tranny soon! Next up are the differentials. After that I need to get a dyno just for curiosity's sake. IF I get 3-5hp form the differential, and God knows how much from the engine and tranny, that'll be enough without any heavy mods. Well, for all I do anyway. If it is a significant gain, I'll post the results."
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... and as part of the same thread jeremiah2360 stated:
"Norwood (MA) Dodge sells Amsoil too."
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Dodge Dealerships are beginning to realize that Amsoil offers a FULL LINE of Premium Synthetic Lubricants and Dodge Dealerships are beginning to offer Amsoil.
Why ...
1) Dodge knows Amsoil meets AND exceeds Dodge's requirements.
2) Because their customers are asking for Amsoil.
3) Amsoil = 30 Year History of Research and Development
4) Amsoil offers the best Synthetic Lubricants
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Anyone know of any other Dodge Dealerships offering Amsoil?
It is still less costly to DIY !!!
Especially as an Amsoil Preferred Customer!
You can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog below.
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99DAK
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3/02/2006
23:49:45
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Steven, I'm not going to continue to argue with you simply because every time I make a statement that you can't refute you start going off about food and beverages and horseshoes and hand grenades. But I'll have one more go in the name of logic and reason.
The difference between the Amsoil 10W-30 flash point of 480 (you'll of course correct me if that's wrong) and, for instance, Valvoline synthetic's 450 (same as Mobil 1 BTW) won't make any difference where the rubber hits the road (pun intended), even in the most severe applications. Likewise Valvoline's pour point of -40 means it's good down to about -20 degree weather (as soon as I move to Alaska you'll be the first to know). Amsoil's VI of 142 vs Valvoline's 140? (I could name half a dozen Group III (same viscosity) oils with a higher VI than Amsoil but you'd no doubt start going off again about dissimilar fruits)
DISCLAIMER: I'm not in love with Valvoline synthetic, I just used it as an example of hamburger.
I've never challenged (or even mentioned for that matter) your extended OCI claims, but I consider that a matter of personal preference more than anything (let me know when you come up with a 25K mile filter, then I might be interested).
For your sake I hope ExxonMobil doesn't decide to phase out PAO basestocks in favor of something cheaper to produce, although I suspect that's exactly what they will eventually do (you might actually pick up some of their customers but you'd lose a marketing crutch).
Peace out.
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/03/2006
06:44:26
| Synthetic Fluids - Amsoil EaO Filters - Forum
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99DAK,
I'm not here to argue either, but PAO oils are superior in all atributes, you can't just say Group III oils flash points are 90% of PAO Group IV flash points and say they are equal.
1) First, please refer to my pricing chart listed above. Who is the consumers friend? Mobil1 or Amsoil?
2) Second, ... we do have a 25k mile oil filter.
AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters
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Extended Service Intervals
AMSOIL EaO Filters are guaranteed for 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first, when used in conjunction with AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil in gasoline and diesel vehicles in normal service. They are guaranteed for 15,000 miles for severe service. This coincides with the AMSOIL 25,000-mile/one year motor oil drain interval, adding even more convenience for motorists by consolidating routine maintenance.
EaO Filters are recommended for use up to two times longer than OEM recommendations for commercial units, fleets and RVs using diesel fueled engines, not to exceed 60,000 miles for heavy-duty on-highway diesel applications.
Absolute Efficiency --- FILTRATION
Efficiency is the filter’s ability to capture contaminants. The more efficient a filter is, the more contaminants it will remove from the oil. To make a filter more efficient the spaces between the fibers in the media are made smaller, creating more resistance and limiting the oil’s ability to flow through the filter. Achieving maximum efficiency along with limited resistance is critical to good filtration.
Extensive testing shows that AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters achieve a near-perfect absolute efficiency rating. The exclusive new technology used in AMSOIL EaO Filters provides filtering efficiency to 98.7 percent at 15 microns. EaO Filters are the most efficient filters that are available for auto/light trucks.
Imroved Flow
Proper oil flow is essential to keep moving parts lubricated at all times. A filter without adequate flow properties can cause catastrophic engine failure.
Flow is restricted as the spacing in the filter media is made smaller to provide greater efficiency. The synthetic nanofibers in AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters allow maximum efficiency without restricting flow. This provides unsurpassed cold-start performance and ensures proper levels of lubrication throughout the engine.
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Dakster
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3/03/2006
09:46:13
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Not sure what you guys are arguing about, I've been driving and maintaining vehicles for over 30 years and had many go well past 200K on good ol' dino oil with regular changes. I've had a few that already had problems when I acquired them, but the ones that didn't ran just as good and got the same gas mileage on the last day as the first. When I get rid of one it's almost always for cosmetic or comfort reasons.
Unless you're racing, as long as you don't overheat the engine or redline it when it's cold, any decent motor oil will give you all the protection you'll ever need.
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Frank
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3/03/2006
09:59:06
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Dakster
Wake up and smell the 21st century. Engines are smaller and more powerful and wedged into smaller and smaller compartments under the hood. They run hotter and need greater protection. Synthetics are the only way to go and even the manufacturers are saying use synthetics.
Longer drain intervals save oil and protect the environment.
I moved here 20 yrs ago from Europe and I laughed at your 3k mile oil changes. In Europe they have been 8k - 12k intervals for 20 years because the European standards are better than the minimum API.
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/03/2006
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Frank,
FYI --- AMSOIL Synthetic Oil surpasses the North American AAMA, Japanese JASO and European ACEA oil specifications for high temperature/high shear viscosity protection ...
... and we GREATLY SURPASS the "minimum" API specifications.
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Dakster
Dodge Dakota
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3/03/2006
16:56:18
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Frank, if you're suggesting that Mobil 1, Amsoil, and the rest of the boutique brands (Redline, Royal Purple, etc.) are the only motor oils suitable for modern engines then you're a bigger chump than Amsoil Guy (remember, according to him everything else isn't a synthetic).
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DSW
Dodge Dakota
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3/03/2006
18:22:36
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OMG this is getting good,,,
"if someone made a "hamburger" that had the same nutritional value as your steak, tasted just as good, and was half the price, then I'll take the hamburger."
I think I am beginning to see the light 99DAK... Thank you for your wisdom...
I am selling my Dakota and buying a 1972 Datsun pickup, heck IT's a truck, can haul 2x4's, groceries, bags of cement, gets the same or better gas mileage and can tow anything my Dakota can!
After that I am going down to GoodWill and buying a whole new wardrobe, heck their clothes will cover me up just as good as the clothes I have already,,, but certainly one heck of a lot cheaper!
Next I am gonna buy 500# of hotdog's, 500# of hamburger and get a hold of all the government surplus cheese, peanut butter and other staples that I can, heck my family can live on the stuff and it's one heck of a lot cheaper than all those expensive groceries my wife has been wasting money on.
Then I am going to sell my $300K house and buy 10 acres of land 200 miles from civilization. On this completely habitable plot of land I shall erect several of those HUGE family sized tents purchased from Walmart and dig a deep hole for an out-house (note to self, buy small tent to cover out-house hole so no one sees ya taking a dump) Heck, people can live on 10 acres of land with a couple of tents for shelter, tis done every day in 3rd world countries.
Lastly I am going to quit my job (C'mon, you don't "really" have to have a job, food stamps and welfare checks will suffice), pack up the family, dog, hotdogs, hamburger and governemnt surplus food into my trusty Datsun truck and head out to the hills at 10MPH. The Datsun will do the job of the Dakota, just not as fast.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHoooooaaa..................WAIT a MINTUE'''''''''''''WHAT's that knocking noise my DATSUN is making??????????????
Ohhhhh cr@p I just blew a rod out the engine block of my Trusty ol' Datsun. Guess I shouldn't have been such a cheap skate and bought a better oil.
......waking from my bad dream........
WHEW!!! I shudder to think what could happed if I was too cheap to buy good oil,,,
COULD RUIN YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/03/2006
20:04:57
| Synthetic Fluids - Amsoil Forum - Laughing Hyena
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tc
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3/04/2006
00:57:53
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ya know, in SOME cars, dino is just fine. but search around the net and you will see instances of early engine failure on thousands of Toyotas, Lexus', VW, Benz', and the Chrysler 2.7. the cause? engine failure due to sludging. (high temps) synthetic oils are WAY more resistant to sludging than dino oil. I tried to convince a good friend of mine to use Amsoil in his Durango w/5.2. nope. costs too much. his engine failed @ 48k. DC considered covering it under warranty until they tore it open and saw the oil pump pickup was clogged with sludge. and yes, he did change his oil - just apparently not often enough. that mistake cost him $5000. you can buy an awful lot of Amsoil for $5k! Oh, just to keep Steve honest, I did see Mobil 1 extended for $5.20 a quart at Walmart.... I also would like an explanation for rear main seal leaks on 2 of my cars with Amsoil. even when new. when I switched to M1, theleak stopped. switched back to Amsoil, leaked again. dont get be wrong, I prefer Amsoil - but I cant stand leaks. so most of my vehicles get amsoil, but one car and one truck get M1.
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mtnxer
Dodge Dakota
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3/04/2006
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i don't know about walmart but the new mobil 1 with the big 15 thou mile sign is being sold for $8.79 at a local store near me. they started at $9.79 so maybe the prices are coming down.
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tc
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3/04/2006
19:33:49
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actually, the best pricing at wally mart is in a 5 quart container. $20.62 for the normal M1 and 26.xx for the extended.
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/05/2006
07:51:17
|  Synthetic Fluids Amsoil 25k vs Mobil1 15k - Forum
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Now that Mobil1 "FINALLY" wised up and figured out what was "BEST" for the consumer and "BEST" for the environment ... they decided to "copy" Amsoil and offer an "extended drain" motor oil ... but ONLY ranked at 15k miles
Amsoil has offered a 25k mile oil for 34 years!
Now tell me
... WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT THE CONSUMER AND THE ENVIRONMENT? Mobil or Amsoil?
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So ... now you only want to talk price comparison. I can do that too.
*** Amsoil with 25k Mile Extended Oil Drain Intervals ***
THE AMSOIL PREFERRED CUSTOMER PRICE DIFFERENCE
AMSOIL 5w-30 100% FULL SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL (Gallon / Case )
--- AMSOIL PRICE QUOTES (Feb. 2006 Price List) ---
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- AMSOIL Retail Price for 5w-30 ........... = $26.20 gallon
- AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $20.80 gallon.
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- AMSOIL Retail Price for 5w-30 ........... = $79.80 case
- AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $60.60 case
............................ or ONLY $5.05 per qt.
... and NOW Amsoil offers a 25k Mile Oil Filter as well.
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OMG
Dodge Dakota
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3/05/2006
14:53:27
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Quick! Everyone! Switch to Amsoil or Mobil 1 before your engine blows up! It may be too late already - better buy a new vehicle while you're at it!
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3/05/2006
15:59:31
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if you took the combined IQs of DSW, Frank, and Steven and added them together you'd ALMOST have enough for 1 genius.
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DSW
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3/05/2006
18:21:13
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Thanks, I'll accept the comment of being just shy of a genius!!!
even if it takes the help of Steven and Frank to get me there..........
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/06/2006
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|  Synthetic Fluids, Natural Gas, Crude, Amsoil Forum
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DSW, maybe I contribute 1% to your genius.
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SCIENCE LESSON for all others.
Natural Gas vs. Crude Oil.
Methane - commonly known as natural gas (the base component of a Group IV Synthetic Oil) - is a simple hydrocarbon made up of one carbon atom and four hydrogen atoms: CH4. It generally is assumed to be of biological origin, the result of microbial processes. A simple and PURE base which provides for "sameness" and predetermined performance.
The problem with Crude Oil is that it contains hundreds of different types of hydrocarbons all mixed together. You have to separate the different types of hydrocarbons to have anything useful. Crude oil is a complex mixture of carbons which must go through "cracking" (hydrocracked Group III)- to break down large molecules (creating a "pretend" synthetic that does not offer the performance characteristics of a TRUE synthetic).
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Dan M
Dodge Dakota
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3/06/2006
09:46:15
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engine sludge is a nasty problem, you can read stories all over the net about it.
Even with synthetic, I run seamfoam to help prevent this. You can also opt for an engine clean service, many shops will perform this. Pepboys in GA uses the billstein machine. Worked wonders on my old 95. milage was no better than 14mpg, after cleaning the sludge out, jumped to 24 highway and 17-18 combined.
- Dan M
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