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Dylan T
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I am new to the site and have a question if anybody can advise. I've just bought an 01 4.7L Dakota with about 50000 miles on it and want to change over to synthetic oils. Do I need to flush the system before or would just changing oil and filter be OK. Thanks
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1/15/2006
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The short answer is ... NO. The truck is only four years old and with low mileage. As long as you know that the truck had regular service and was well maintained you can switch to synthetic lubricants at any time.
Synthetic Lubricants (Motor Oil) --
-- Other Objections, Myths and Non-Truths
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There is always a lot of debate regarding Synthetic vs. Non-Synthetic, Brand "X" vs. Brand "Y", Etc. I am not here to debate those issues. I am here simply to "put to bed" some of the objections and myths regarding Synthetic Lubricants (including Motor Oil).
Synthetic Lubricants (Motor Oil) -- Objections & Myths
Let's put to bed some of the objections you will hear concerning the use of synthetic engine lubricants (some are old debates ... some are new):
Myth #1: Synthetic motor oils damage seals.
Untrue. It would be foolhardy for lubricant manufacturers to build a product that is incompatible with seals. The composition of seals presents problems that both petroleum oils and synthetics must overcome. Made from elastomers, seals are inherently difficult to standardize. Ultimately it is the additive mix in the oil that counts. Additives to control seal swell, shrinkage and hardening are required, whether it be a synthetic or petroleum product that is being produced.
Myth #2: Synthetics are too thin to stay in the engine.
Untrue. In order for a lubricant to be classified in any SAE grade (10W-30, 10W-40, etc) it has to meet certain guidelines with regard to viscosity ("thickness"). For example, it makes no difference whether it is 10W-40 petroleum or 10W-40 synthetic, at -25 degrees centigrade (-13F) and 100 degrees centigrade (212 degrees F) that oil has to maintain a standardized viscosity or it can't be rated a 10W-40.
Myth #3: Synthetics cause cars to use more oil.
Untrue. Synthetic motor oils are intended to be used in mechanically sound engines, that is, engines that don't leak. In such engines oil consumption will actually be reduced. First, because of the lower volatility of synthetic lubricants. Second, because of the better sealing characteristics between piston rings and cylinder walls. And finally, because of the superior oxidation stability (i.e. resistance of synthetics against reacting with oxygen at high temperatures.)
Myth #4: Synthetic lubricants are not compatible with petroleum.
Untrue. The synthesized hydrocarbons, polyalphaolefins, diesters and other materials that form the base stocks of high quality name brand synthetics are fully compatible with petroleum oils. In the old days, some companies used untested ingredients that were not compatible, causing quality synthetic lubricants to suffer a bad reputation. Fortunately, those days are long gone. Compatibility is something to keep in mind, however, whether using petroleum oils or synthetics. It is usually best to use the same oil for topping off that you have been running in the engine. That is, it is preferable to not mix your oils, even if it is Valvoline or Quaker State you are using. The reason is this: the functions of additives blended for specific characteristics can be offset when oils with different additive packages are put together. For optimal performance, it is better to use the same oil throughout.
Myth #5: Synthetic lubricants produce sludge.
Untrue. In point of fact, synthetic motor oils are more sludge resistant than their petroleum counterparts, resisting the effects of high temperatures and oxidation. In the presence of high temperatures, two things happen. First, an oil's lighter ingredients boil off, making the oil thicker. Second, many of the complex chemicals found naturally in petroleum base stocks begin to react with each other, forming sludge, gums and varnishes. One result is a loss of fluidity at low temperatures, slowing the timely flow of oil to the engine for vital engine protection. Further negative effects of thickened oil include the restriction of oil flow to critical areas, greater wear and loss of fuel economy. Because of their higher flash points, and their ability to withstand evaporation loss and oxidation, synthetics are much more resistant to sludge development.
Myth #6: Synthetics can't be used with catalytic converters or oxygen sensors.
Untrue. In fact the very low ash content of synthetics will extend the life of every exhaust system component.
Myth #7: Synthetics void warranties.
Untrue. No major manufacturer of automobiles specifically bans the use of synthetic lubricants. In point of fact, increasing numbers of high performance cars are arriving on the showroom floors with synthetic motor oils as factory fill. Which may not make the dealers too happy since oil changes usually lead to other service work.
Myth #8: Synthetics last forever.
Untrue. Although some experts feel that synthetic base stocks themselves can be used forever, it is well known that eventually the additives will falter and cause the oil to require changing. However, by "topping off", additives can be replenished. Through good filtration and periodic oil analysis, synthetic motor oils protect an engine for lengths of time far beyond the capability of non synthetics. Amsoil's unique additives packages allow for extended drain intervals.
Myth #9: Synthetics are too expensive.
Untrue. Tests and experience have proven that synthetics can greatly extend drain intervals, provide better fuel economy, reduce engine wear and enable vehicles to operate with greater reliability. All these elements combine to make synthetic engine lubricants more economical than conventional non synthetics. In Europe, synthetics have enjoyed increasing acceptance as car buyers look first to performance and long term value rather than initial price. As more sophisticated technology places greater demands on today's motor oils, we will no doubt see an increasing re-evaluation of oil buying habits in this country as well.
There are other OBJECTIONS, MYTHS and NON-TRUTHS circulating the forums, garages, and race tracks. The nine above are just a few that I wanted to address.
***** Conclusions *****
Since their inception, manufacturers of Synthetic Motor Oils have sought to educate the public about the facts regarding synthetics, and the need for consumers to make their lubrication purchasing decisions based on quality rather than price. As was the case with microwave ovens or electric lights, a highly technological improvement must often overcome a fair amount of public skepticism and consumer inertia before it is embraced by the general population. But the word has been getting out as a growing number of motorists worldwide experience the benefits of synthetic lubrication. The wave of the future, in automobile lubrication, is here, and AMSOIL has lead the march, recently celebrating their 30th year in business. For the environmental enthusiasts, the use of synthetics could reduce waste oil disposal by 80%, so if environment is your thing, then synthetic lubricants should be your choice.
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JerryM
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You definetly know the amsoil man did a cut and paste on that one!
Amsoil is a very good product from what I have read. However I choose to use Mobil 1 5/30 full synthetic and change the oil and filter every 5K miles.
I have a 2000 4.7 liter with 48K on it now and running strong.
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jerryb
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1/16/2006
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i have been using mobil 1 in my 2000 dakota 4.7 for almost 2 years and have not had any problems. in addition i would suggest everyone to use a synthetic oil. i was have trouble getting 6 quarts of oil in my truck, only getting 5.5q. i guess synthetic also cleans the component of the engine because i an now putting in 6 quarts. bought the truck used 3 years ago.
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AmsoilSponsor
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1/16/2006
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Yes Jery M,
It is a "cut-and-paste" --- from my very own Amsoil Folder --- in my very own Document File.
I've been an Amsoil Representative for many years. During that time I have developed my own unique written material, and some I have borrowed (and polished) because it is better than anything I could write.
For goodness sake ... GOOGLE is a Billion Dollar Company without ever having written their own material. They simply let you search other materials.
Question: How come you BASH (Flame) advertisers and site members when you are just a NON-PAYING NON-MEMBER?
It is "thanks to us" that you have the opportunity to post for FREE !
You're Welcome.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Dylan
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2006
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Thanks Steve for you comments I have also heard that Amsoil is a great product and I have requested infomation from you, but have changed to Mobil 1 at this stage. Thanks everyone for their comments also.
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JerryM
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Amsoil Steve,
I am not really bashing you, just a long post. I do appreciate everyones input and ideas. This website has truly been very helpful for me. And yes after all the posts, I should join the club.
I do believe that Amsoil is a high quality product and probably the best lubricants that you can use. I guess it is just a matter of cost and personnal preference.
Thanks for you info on synthetic oils!
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Ignorant
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1/17/2006
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Amsoil Steve - I'm not a very smart individual so in laymen's terms what is the difference between regular oil (dinosaur juice) and synthetic oil?? What is sythetic oil made from?? Again, laymen's terms only. Thanks.
P.S. - If I put regular oil in a worn out engine I get blue smoke from the tail-pipe. What color smoke do I get from the tail-pipe if I put synthetic oil in a worn out engine??
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Red99Dakr/t
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1/17/2006
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I bought my truck 13 months ago. First time I changed the oil I used Synthetic Blend. The next time I went with Castrol Fully synthetic with the Fram 7K oil filter for 6k. The next time I changed to Amsoil 5W30 with the Amsoil 12k filter. I'm coming up to 10k and will change the filter then and top off the oil for another 10k. With the other oils I would already be a quart down at 3k. I added a quart at about 4k and just added a quart at about 9500, so plainly my oil consumption has decreased. I'm not here to sell Amsoil, but so far it's not doing me wrong and even though the price of amsoil is higher, there is no doubt to me that the quality and length between changes has saved me money.
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jpkomm
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1/17/2006
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The thing I did since I was planning on buying a lot of their product was sign up for 6 months of AMSOIL's Preferred Customer program. Saves me quite a bit of money as I get a quart of their 5w-30XL Syntheic motor oil for $3.95/quart. That is cheaper than Castrol Syntec or Mobil1 per quart I believe by a good amount. I'm thinking Castrol and Mobil1 Synthetic brands sell for about $4.72 a quart? Atleast here they do.
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Joey
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1/18/2006
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by me they are 6 bucks sometimes 7 a quart for mobil 1
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1/19/2006
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Thanks guys for all the "good words".
Yes Joey, Amsoil is often lower priced than Mobil1, and even lower priced when you buy our products using one of the four AMSOIL WHOLESALE PRICING OPTIONS.
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AMSOIL - Wholesale Pricing Options
I bet a lot of you have been buying AMSOIL at retail prices ... and nobody has ever told you how you can buy AMSOIL at Wholesale Prices. Well ... I want you to understand how you can purchase AMSOIL at the LOWEST possible prices.
Wholesale Pricing Options for AMSOIL Products.
There are four (4) options - pick the one that is best for you!
- #1 - AMSOIL Preferred Customer Option = $20 year (like joining Costco). The savings are between 20% - 25% across the board on all AMSOIL Products, so if you spend $100 or more per year this will save you money.
The AMSOIL Preferred Customer option is recommended for people who want the lowest possible prices on AMSOIL products for their vehicles and equipment. AMSOIL Preferred Customers pay the same low prices for AMSOIL products that AMSOIL Dealers pay.
As an added bonus, AMSOIL Preferred Customers also receive a comprehensive information kit on AMSOIL products and a subscription the AMSOIL Action News, a monthly magazine containing new product information, performance comparisons of AMSOIL products to others on the market, updates on the [COLOR=DarkRed]AMS[/COLOR]OIL race teams, along with informative articles on products and their benefits.
-- #2 - AMSOIL Dealership Option = $30 per year (or $10 more than being an AMSOIL Preferred Customer)
The AMSOIL Dealership Option is for anyone wishing to become an AMSOIL Dealer. There are no inventory requirements, no territory restrictions, and no minimum purchases. You can purchase products for your own use at Wholesale Cost or you can sell to others.
-- #3 - Commercial Account Option = no cost ($ 0) to be a Commercial Account
The Commercial Account option is for businesses which have company-owned vehicles, equipment and machinery that will be using AMSOIL Lubricants and Filtration products in the normal course of operating their business. This type of account does not sell AMSOIL products, but chooses to use them in their equipment and machinery. There is no cost to register as a Commercial Account.
Some Examples of Commercial Accounts would be:
- Landscaping & Lawn Companies
- Trucking Companies
- Taxi Fleets
- Golf Courses
- Farming/Agricultural
- Construction Companies
- Manufacturing Facilities
- Municipalities
- Government Agencies
-- #4 - Retail Account Option = no cost ($ 0) to be a Retail Account
The Retail Account Option is for retail outlets that wish to stock AMSOIL products to sell to their customers or install AMSOIL products as part of a service such as with oil changes. There is no cost to register as a Retail Account.
Some Examples of Retail Accounts would be:
- Auto Parts Stores
- Quick-Lube Centers
- Auto Service and Repair Shops
- Auto/Truck Dealerships
- Motorcycle and ATV Dealerships and Part Stores
- Marinas and Watercraft Supply and Part Stores
- Hardware Stores
- Lawn and Garden Service and Part Stores
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For additional information on any of the above ways to Puchase AMSOIL at Wholesale Prices please do not hesitate to contact me via Email or clicking the following link and requesting
1) -- a FREE Amsoil Catalog
2) -- an Amsoil Dealer Information Kit
3) -- Commercial Account Information,or
4) -- Retail (Store Shelf) Account Information.
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You can visit AMSOIL = www.American-Synthetic-Oil.com or ...
... Request a FREE AMSOIL CATALOG by clicking below.
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Ignorant
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2006
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Amsoil Steve - you really know how to go on. I might buy your oil if you can answer my question - If synthetic oil isn't made from "dinosaur juice" then what is it made from??
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Dan M
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2006
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Since when is M1 more expensive than amsoil? I buy 5 quart container at Wal-mart for $19.88 +tax
That's around $4/quart.
- Dan M
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jpkomm
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1/19/2006
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A lot of it depends on locations, Dan. Different brands cost more at different locations. For some reason the 5-quart jugs of M1 are a dollar or two more than yours yet we live in the same state. I watch that price fluctuate monthly. Go figure.
Being I am buying oil and other AMSOIL products for not only my Dak but also for my mom's Corolla, I end up saving quite a chunk of change. So far I have not been disappointed in the quality and service. If I ever have a product question about what will work with my vehicle, Steven takes the time to assist me in a quick manner. If he doesn't know the answer, he does his best to find out for me.
Just my .02c.
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Ignorant
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1/19/2006
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jpkomm - Glad to know Steve answers your questions.
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frank
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1/19/2006
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Compare Amsoil to M1's new oil.
Amsoil 25k mile oil vs M1 15k mile oil.
I just saw M1's new oil at over $9 qt.
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1/19/2006
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AMSOIL PRICE QUOTES (Feb. Price List) for AMSOIL 5w-30
Amsoil Retail Price for 5w-30 ................... = $6.75 quart.
Amsoil Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $5.35 quart.
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Amsoil Retail Price for 5w-30 ................... = $26.20 gallon
Amsoil Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $20.80 gallon.
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Amsoil Retail Price for 5w-30 ................... = $79.80 case
Amsoil Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $60.60 case
.................. or $5.05 per qt.
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You can visit AMSOIL = www.American-Synthetic-Oil.com or ...
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jpkomm
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2006
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Don't forget the AMSOIL 7500mi "XL" Synthetic oil. Bit cheaper for those of us that aren't quite ready to make the longer 25k mile commitment. 25000 miles is nice, but I'm a bit paranoid and want to see how it handles the first 7500 miles. ;)
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1/19/2006
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Thanks jpkomm,
But ... I DO NOT recommend AMSOIL 7500mi "XL" Synthetic Oil for my customers. It was developed specifically for the Quickie-Lube industry and is a hydrocracked synthetic ... and NOT a TRUE 100% FULL SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL.
I recommend AMSOIL Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil
AMSOIL Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil is recommended for extended drain intervals in unmodified, mechanically sound gasoline fueled vehicles as follows:
• Normal Service – Up to 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first. Replace AMSOIL oil filter at 12,500 miles or six months, whichever comes first (other brands at standard OEM* intervals).
• Severe Service – Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first. Replace AMSOIL oil filter at 15,000 miles or six months, whichever comes first (other brands at standard OEM* intervals).
• In all other applications, extend the oil change interval according to oil analysis or follow the OEM* drain interval.
*OEM – Original Equipment Manufacturer
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You can visit AMSOIL = www.American-Synthetic-Oil.com or ...
... Request a FREE AMSOIL CATALOG by clicking below.
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Rocket Dak
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2006
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Ok, so here is a question perhaps someone can answer. I switched over to Royal Purple 10W-30 5 years ago on a 1995 318. Got wonderful performance, improved gas mileage, etc. And, I still performed regular oil changes about every 3500 miles. Truck ran great but...I found that when the truck was taken in for emission inspection, it would fail every two years! And, the cause is a fouled EGR valve and heavy carbon deposits in the engine. I have to replace the EGR and clean the deposits to pass. Is this what other folks are experiencing with synthetics? I did not have this problem before using Castrol "dino" and the plenum is not blown. I use Amoco mid-grade for fuel, champion plugs (correct temp) and have minimal oil loss between changes (about 1/2 quart). Any ideas?
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