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Corjunk
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11/25/2005
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I've been thinking about switching to amsoil engine oil and transmission oil. I'm just wondering what people think of it(people who have used it). I have a 4.7l and a 45rfe.
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11/25/2005
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I use the synthetic rear end fluid in my '01 3:92 LSD. It works great, no friction modifier necessary, slight mpg gain.
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6sic6
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11/26/2005
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I have never used Amsoil in my truck but I can tell you they make fantastic products. Back when I raced motocross, I was sponsored by Amsoil for a season. They were cheap jerks about giving me free product, but the stuff I got was great. I was able to almost double the top end life on my engines (2 stroke of course) and their gear case oil gave me way better clutch performance and life. I continued to use their oils on my bikes even after the sponsorship fell apart.
Come to think of it, I should start using it in my truck.
L8s
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Jecht
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11/26/2005
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I also heard they make a great product. only prob I have is. its hard to find a dealer. when you do find one they charge an arm and a leg for a qt. I will just use either M-1 5w-30 or German castrol 0w30 (even though its harder to find the green colored one)but when amsoil becomes more common and pick it up at a store. I will buy some. untill them. dont want to mess with the hassle of ordering it on line and wait for it to come in.
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Gary F
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11/27/2005
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It's good stuff of course...they invented synthetics. Too much of a pain though to get..seems somewhat like a multi-level/Amway/marketing gimmick. I like things simple..I go to Wally World and pick up some Mobil 1 and I'm good to go. No waiting and it's less expensive. 1 gallon for $20.
Gary F
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GraphiteDak
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11/27/2005
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I just get it delivered to my house.
And the ATV shop has the 4 stroke stuff at least. But no dealers for the oil for my auto's.
I need to order me some more for the Caravan and Dak come to think of it...
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11/27/2005
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As a www.DodgeDakotas.com site sponsor for well over two years, I would welcome the opportunity to be your Amsoil Dealer of choice. You can REQUEST A FREE AMSOIL CATALOG by clicking the link at the bottom of this post, and below I have added information regarding Wholesale Pricing Options for AMSOIL Products.
Thank You,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
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Wholesale Pricing Options for AMSOIL Products.
There are 4 options - pick the one that is best for you!
- #1 - Preferred Customer Option
The Preferred Customer option is recommended for people who want the lowest possible prices on Amsoil products for their vehicles and equipment. Preferred Customers pay the same low prices for Amsoil products that Amsoil Dealers pay.
As an added bonus, Preferred Customers also receive a comprehensive information kit on Amsoil products and a subscription the AMSOIL Action News, a monthly magazine containing new product information, performance comparisons of Amsoil products to others on the market, updates on the Amsoil race teams, along with informative articles on products and their benefits to you.
-- #2 - Dealership Option
The AMSOIL Dealership Option is for anyone wishing to become an AMSOIL Dealer. There are no inventory requirements, no territory restrictions, and no minimum purchases. You can purchase products for your own use at Wholesale Cost or you can sell to others.
-- #3 - Commercial Account Option
The Commercial Account option is for businesses which have company-owned vehicles, equipment and machinery that will be using AMSOIL Lubricants and Filtration products in the normal course of operating their business. This type of account does not sell AMSOIL products, but chooses to use them in their equipment and machinery. There is no cost to register as a Commercial Account.
Some Examples of Commercial Accounts would be:
- Landscaping & Lawn Companies
- Trucking Companies
- Taxi Fleets
- Golf Courses
- Farming/Agricultural
- Construction Companies
- Manufacturing Facilities
- Municipalities
- Government Agencies
-- #4 - Retail Account Option
The Retail Account Option is for retail outlets that whish to stock AMSOIL products to sell to their customers or install AMSOIL products as part of a service such as with oil changes. There is no cost to register as a Retail Account.
Some Examples of Retail Accounts would be:
- Auto Parts Stores
- Quick-Lube Centers
- Auto Service and Repair Shops
- Auto/Truck Dealerships
- Motorcycle and ATV Dealerships and Part Stores
- Marinas and Watercraft Supply and Part Stores
- Hardware Stores
- Lawn and Garden Service and Part Stores
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For additional information on any of the above ways to Puchase Amsoil at Wholesale Prices please do not hesitate to contact me via Email or clicking the following link and requesting
1) -- a FREE Amsoil Catalog
2) -- an Amsoil Dealer Information Kit
3) -- Commercial Account Information,or
4) -- Retail (Store Shelf) Account Information.
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Thank You Again,
You can REQUEST A FREE AMSOIL CATALOG by clicking below.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
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tim
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11/28/2005
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that guy talks WAY too much. ANNOYING
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GraphiteDak
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11/28/2005
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^^^ Then don't read a thread posted about OIL ^^^
Obvisouly I clicked on the thread because as a Amsoil user, I like to read up on users feedback on the product.
So far it's in my
2003 Dakota
2004 grand Caravan
2003 Yamaha ATV
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OBIO3
Dodge Dakota
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12/06/2005
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What's real >>> I thought standard oil invented syn oil for the jets > Am I wrong > Was like in the 30's I believe >
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Jecht
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12/06/2005
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I might be wrong but the first Jet plane was in the late 40's. but I think the founder of amsoil took it from the military. wasnt he a air force pilot?
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jpkomm
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12/07/2005
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I'd say that AMSOIL was probably the first to enter into the market with syn oil for commercial/civilian use. Anyways, after stalking around these boards for a month since buying my 4.7L 2000 Dak, I think I have been convinced to swap out my oil, rear diff, and ATF fluid with AMS. This truck has to last me for well over 5 years, and I think AMSOIL is the way to help ensure that. That.. and I am probably one of the most paranoid people in the world about my vehicles.
Steven, do we put you as a dealer reference anywhere when we place our order on the AMSOIL website? To all you current Dak owners, roughly how many quarts of transmission fluid would it take to do a total flush of a 45rfe transmission? How many quarts to swap out the 3.55 rear differential fluid? Thanks!
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Tineka
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12/07/2005
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"It's good stuff of course...they invented synthetics" Id liek to see proof of that... also I have yet to see independant tests done on the oil.......... I think its the same old dino-juice in a diffrent packing
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Tineka
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12/07/2005
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"It's good stuff of course...they invented synthetics" Id liek to see proof of that... also I have yet to see independant tests done on the oil.......... I think its the same old dino-juice in a diffrent packing
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OBIO3
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12/09/2005
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the syn story goes on and on but it is believed syn was invented in 1877 by Friedel & Craft > it was not commercialized till 1929 through development work by Standard oil > there are others involved in development starting in the 40's > i believe amsoil showed up in the 50's > of interest > at one time the government was paying 35 bucks a quart for it > so pretty cheap now lol
so many problems > so little time
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12/09/2005
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jpkomm,
I would appreciate the opportunity to be your Amsoil Dealer.
Please use my Dealer # 1061837 when ordering.
Thank You, Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
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I'll post later with information regarding your 2000 4.7L.
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You can also click the following link to order, or to request a FREE Amsoil Catalog. Thank ou!
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12/09/2005
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HISTORY OF SYNTHETIC LUBRICANTS and AMSOIL
AMSOIL developed the first synthetic motor oil to pass American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements in 1972, and the first company to market synthetic oils for passenger vehicles.
AMSOIL FOUNDER --- A.J. Amatuzio coined the phrase "extended oil drain intervals" back in 1972 with the introduction of AMSOIL 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil, formulated for 25,000-mile/one-year drain intervals.
Not only was AMSOIL motor oil the first synthetic oil to pass American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements, AMSOIL INC. was the only motor oil company promoting oil drains beyond 3,000 miles.
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One of the transforming developments of the last century was the discovery of the process of organic synthesis, the combining of the raw materials of production into a nearly limitless array of plastics, films, fabrics and fluids. By understanding the geometry of organic compounds, chemists could create customized molecular designs to achieve preconceived objectives. Scientists realized that they could actually improve the characteristics of items found in nature.
One by-product of this process has been the development of synthetic motor oil. It is believed that the first synthesized hydrocarbons were created by Friedel & Crafts in 1877 using Aluminum TriChrloride as the catalyst. Yet it wasn't until 1929 that the commercial development of synthesized hydrocarbons was undertaken by Standard Oil of Indiana. Not surprisingly there was a lack of demand for the new product and this first marketplace introduction of synthetic lubricants was commercially unsuccessful.
Eight years later the first PAO, a synthetic product using olefin polymerization, was manufactured. 1937 was also year that the Zurich Aviation Congress became interested in ester based lubricant technology. From 1938 to 1944 thousands of esters were evaluated in Germany with excellent results. In our own country ester basestocks were also being developed by the United States Naval Research Laboratory and introduced into military aviation applications during the 1940's.
During this period scientists were well funded, and the new processes of synthetic creation had some great success. But as is so often the case, the existence of a "better mousetrap" does not always result in its commercial survival.
It was the space age that helped create a greater appreciation for the benefits of synthetic lubricants. Jet engines raised the bar on what was required of a lubricant. The high speed, high heat and cold temperature performance requirements of modern jets created a demand for a new kind of lubricant.
Just after the war we saw the first use of diesters by the British in turboprop engines for high temperature performance. And from the late forties to the early seventies various synthetic fluids were developed to meet the demands of new and more efficient high performance engines and machines.
Because of the self-evident cold weather benefits of synthetic jet engine oil, it would not have been difficult to find a few maverick pilots experimenting with this oil in their cars. The military paid thirty-five dollars a quart for synthetic oil in those days and even the used jet engine oil seemed clean enough for some pilots in Alaska and elsewhere to mix with their motor oil to assist cold winter starts.
One such experimenter took a more systematic approach. In the mid-1960's, Lt. Col. Albert J. Amatuzio (the Founder of Amsoil), jet fighter squadron commander at a northern Minnesota airbase, likewise had become familiar with these "extra ordinary" lubricants that protected the engines of the jets he flew. He began a research project that eventually became his life work and second career.
At first, Amatuzio's efforts were aimed at improving the performance of petroleum oil.
Eventually, Amatuzio realized the need to begin with a synthetic basetock and build his ideal lubricant from the ground up. His search led him to Monsanto, Drew Chemical Corporation and Hatco. It was Drew Chemical Corporation in Boonton, New Jersey, where the first polyol esters had been developed and patented in conjunction with Mobil Chemical in 1958. Mobil Oil's Jet Engine Oil II was based on the fluids produced at Drew Chemical.
The truth is, automobiles put even more stress on a lubricant than jet engines because air aspirated car engines must deal with dirt and the messy by-products of combustion. The problem was how to bring the expanded temperature range performance, wear protection and service life of a synthetic into an automotive setting. Amatuzio believed he had found a way.
After several more years of fine tuning his formulation, AMZOIL (Amatuzio's-oil) was created and became the first 100% synthetic diester based engine oil to pass the API sequence tests and receive API qualification in 1972.
By the mid-nineties nearly every oil company carried a high end synthetic motor oil in its product line, though only a few companies seem truly dedicated to promoting them. Nevertheless, synthetic lubricants are currently the fastest growing segment of the oil industry.
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12/09/2005
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jpkomm,
For your 2000 DODGE DAKOTA 4.7L 8-cyl VIN Code N
AMSOIL FILTERS
Oil Filter ...... EaO42/SDF42
Air Filter ...... EaA29
Trans ...... 58613, 42RFE
Trans ...... TF174, 45RFE 2WD
Trans ...... TF175, 45RFE 4WD
AMSOIL LUBRICANTS & FLUIDS
Engine Oil Grade 1......API*
Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil
SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
SAE 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
Above 0°F......10W-30
Below 100°F......5W-30[1]
Manual Transmission,NV3500.....GLS[2]
AMSOIL Synthetic Synchromesh Transmission Fluid
Manual Transmission,NV1500.....GLS[2][3]
AMSOIL Synthetic Synchromesh Transmission Fluid
Automatic Transmission.....AP4[4]
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Differential, Front .....GL-5 - 75W-90
Severe Gear 75W-90
SAE 75W-90 Synthetic Gear Lube
Differential, Front C205F.....GL-5 - 75W-90
Severe Gear 75W-90
SAE 75W-90 Synthetic Gear Lube
Controlled Slip Differential, Rear 7.25-9.25 axles.....GL-5* - 75W-90
Severe Gear 75W-90
Standard Differential, Rear 7.25-9.25 axles.....GL-5 - 75W-90
Severe Gear 75W-90
SAE 75W-90 Synthetic Gear Lube
Transfer Case,.....AF3
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Torque-Drive™ Synthetic Automatic
Transmission Fluid (ATD)
Transfer Case,.....AP3
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
1. SAE 5W-30 is preferred.
2. GLS is a special gear lube, Mopar part no. 04874464.
3. NV1500 requires: add 0.2 pt. (0.1 Liter) friction modifier.
4. Daimler Chrysler Corp. recommends that all vehicles with Chrysler ATs be serviced W/ ATF+4 ATF.
CHASSIS LUBRICATION
Four-wheel drive
17 Fittings, 0 Plugs..........LB
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease
Synthetic GHD Heavy-Duty EP Grease
Synthetic Multi-Purpose Grease NLGI #2
Two-wheel drive
6 Fittings, 0 Plugs..........LB
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease
Synthetic GHD Heavy-Duty EP Grease
Synthetic Multi-Purpose Grease NLGI #2
CAPACITIES
Engine, with filter .......... 6.0 quarts[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill .......... 17.0 quarts
Automatic Transmission, 44RE Initial Fill .......... 4.0 quarts[2]
Automatic Transmission, 46RE Initial Fill .......... 4.0 quarts[2]
Automatic Transmission, A45RFE 4WD Initial Fill .......... 6.6 quarts[2][3]
Automatic Transmission, A45RFE 2WD Initial Fill .......... 5.5 quarts[4][5]
Automatic Transmission, 42RE Initial Fill .......... 4.0 quarts[6]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill
42RE .......... 10.0 quarts
45RFE .......... 14.0 quarts
46RE .......... 10.0 quarts
Manual Transmission, NV1500 .......... 4.6 pints
Manual Transmission, NV3500 .......... 4.2 pints
Differential, C205F Front .......... 3.6 pints[7]
Differential, with 7.25 ring gear Rear .......... 3.0 pints[8]
Differential, with 8.25 ring gear Rear .......... 4.4 pints[9]
Differential, with 9.25 ring gear Rear .......... 4.9 pints[10]
Transfer Case,NV231 .......... 2.5 pints
Transfer Case,NV242 .......... 2.7 pints
1. after refill check oil level
2. With ENG automatic transmission operating temperature, shift through all gears. Check fluid level in NEUTRAL and add fluid as needed.
3. DTC'S may be set , reset W/ DRB III, if necessary
4. With ENG automatic transmission operating temperature, shift through all gears. Check fluid level in NEUTRAL and add fluid as needed.
5. DTC'S may be set , reset W/ DRB III, if necessary
6. With ENG automatic transmission operating temperature, shift through all gears. Check fluid level in NEUTRAL and add fluid as needed.
7. Fill to level of fill plug.
8. Fill no higher then 3/4 inch below plug hole.
9. Fill no higher then 1/4 inch below plug hole.
10. Fill no higher then 5/8 inch below plug hole.
TORQUES
Oil Drain Plug.....25 ft-lbs
Transfer case
Fill Plug.....35 ft-lbs
Drain Plug.....35 ft-lbs
Manual Transmission AX-15
Fill Plug.....27 ft-lbs
Drain Plug.....27 ft-lbs
Manual Transmission NV3500
Fill Plug.....14-20 ft-lbs
Drain Plug.....14-20 ft-lbs
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jpkomm
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12/09/2005
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Thanks, Steven. It is a 2000 Dakota SLT 4.7L 4x4 w/ a 3.55 rear diff and a 45RFE automatic transmission. Will probably go ahead and swap out the front differential and transfer case fluids as well. If you'd rather email the info to me then that is fine, or you can feel free to post it here as a reference to others doing the same thing I am. (Will probably do all of this over a period of a couple months, otherwise it could get expensive real fast.)
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jpkomm
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Wow, Ok.. guess I'm a little slow on the send button. Thanks again, Steven!
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12/09/2005
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For anyone thinking of changing their own fluids (DIY) ...
Helpful Differential Fluid Recommendations:
-Flush (drain) as much of the old fluid out.
-Differential fluid capacity depends on ring gear and axle housing size.
-Do not over/under fill differential. This could mean a capacity difference of a quart or more and may cause overheating problems. (See the owner’s manual for proper fill level)
AMSOIL gear oils are formulated with friction modifiers for limited slip differential applications. There is no need to add limited slip or additional additives.
-After changing the differential fluid, drive the vehicle in 7 or 8 figure eight turns, so the new lubricant can work its way into the axle assembly.
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Changing Your Transmission Fluid in 12 EASY Steps:
1. Make sure the fluid is warm. Warm up your Dakota so the transmission is at normal operating temperature. Pull the transmission dipstick. Fresh fluid is translucent and cherry red. Some darkening is normal, but if it is reddish brown or mustard color and smells like burnt varnish, it is worn out.
2. Drain the fluid by loosening the pan. Select the correct filter replacement based on pan shape and prepare a large pan to catch the fluid. Then loosen each pan bolt a turn or two and loosen one corner more than rest. Drain mostly from this corner.
3. Finish removing the pan and any gasket material from the pan or case. Avoid scratching the metal and make sure the pan’s gasket surface isn’t bent or distorted.
4. Remove the old filter. Most transmission filters are held in place with a bolt or two, but some are held by a clip. Be careful to include O-Rings or other seals.
5. Install a new filter. Use the clips or bolts from the old filter. Be sure O-Rings, etc. are in place. If the filter has a long intake neck, gently push the neck into place without unseating the O-Ring.
6. Clean the pan thoroughly. Inspect the pan before cleaning. A small amount of fine grey clutch dust is normal. However, if you find metal shavings, there has been transmission damage. Clean the pan with solvent and wipe dry so there is no harmful residue.
7. Position gasket on pan. Some gaskets have four holes slightly smaller than the rest to allow four bolts through the pan and through these smaller holes to hold the gasket in place.
8. Hand tighten pan bolts in a criss-cross pattern. After that, use a torque wrench to tighten bolts to proper ft-lbs as per manufacturer.
9. Refill the transmission using only the amount shown as “refill capacity” in the owners manual or "AMSOIL Product Selection Guide,” using the type of fluid specified for the vehicle.
10. If doing only a partial fluid replacement, skip to instruction 12 below. If doing a complete fluid replacement, follow the steps in instruction 11.
11. You now have replaced the fluid in the pan. To replace the fluid in the torque converter and oil cooler also, follow these steps.
-- Step 1. Obtain the total system capacity of the vehicle from the manufacturer or AMSOIL. Have this amount readily available.
-- Step 2. Disconnect the oil cooler line from the oil cooler. As you may not know which is the pressure side and which is the return side, have both directed so the stream of fluid will be directed toward a receptacle.
-- Step 3. With another person, be prepared to add ATF to the fill area as it is being pumped out of the oil cooler line.
-- Step 4. Start the engine, and as the old fluid is pumped out, add fresh fluid to the pan.
-- Step 5. When either the fluid color brightens or the total capacity has been replaced, shut the engine off and re-attach the oil cooler line. All fluids has now been changed.
12. Recheck the fluid level. With the truck on level ground, set the parking brake and the transmission in “Park” or “Neutral.” Let the engine idle for a few minutes. Shift the transmission into different positions before returning the lever to “Park” or “Neutral.” Check the fluid level again and check for leaks.
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Amsoil UNIVERSAL Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures and increases transmission life. Provides unsurpassed thermal stability and up to five times the service life of conventional ATFs. Delivers maximum protection for towing and other severe-duty applications.
Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
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