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alex
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4/29/2002
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Who's using them?
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CW
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4/29/2002
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Ooo, ooo, I am I am.
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Josh Lee
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4/29/2002
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I am. Champion truck plug 3344, one heat range cooler than stock...
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4door4x4
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4/30/2002
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ooh,ooh, me too....champion truck plugs. can't beat a 3-year warrenty.
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Dakaty
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4/30/2002
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I am now using Champions. But I'm thinking about going back to Autolites.
I pulled up some old posts and saw many favorable opinions about the Autolites.
CW, I saw one post that claimed the Autolites produced 4-5 hp on the dyno!! Why did you go back to Champions?
I went to Champions because the tip/plug is longer than the 3923s. How does the Autolite 5224 plug compare to the OEM Champion? Is it as long?
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harlow wilcox
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4/30/2002
20:57:44
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Dakaty, you will find superior performance when you use Autolite Sparkplugs in your rig. Trust Autolite for all your sparkplug needs and you won't go wrong.
From bumper to tailight, you are always right with Autolite!
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CW
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4/30/2002
21:40:35
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I claimed they made 4-5 hp on the older magnum engines. Got that off of Bernds site. Used them in my '97 and liked them but with only 6K on the odo I see no reason to switch.
The 5224 has the long reach in it I am sure. The only difference between a 3924 and a 5224 is the reach of the tip. I will probably get a set of 3923s when the stockers get worn. If I ever go boosted or NOS you can be sure I will get a set of autolites.
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Nitro Junkie
Dodge Dakota
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4/30/2002
21:49:08
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I won't even put champions in my lawn mower !!
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Justin
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5/02/2002
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I have a champion in my lawn-mower, they put those cheap things in my truck when I got my 5.2 installed, BIG mistake
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Bill Smith
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5/29/2002
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have Champion Truck plugs in my DAKOTA and my CHEROKEE. have had no problems starting or any drivability concerns from either truck.But they do cost more than a standard champion,and a lot more than the cheapo Bosh supers. the truck plugs have a brass coated shell and a heaviers center electrode and insulater. They work for me!!!!!!
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Boon
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5/29/2002
09:01:11
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Autolites #Ar3924/Ar3923's are the best value available. At around $2.50 ea. you get a thick cut back ground electrode, (to unshroud the flame.)
75% less resistance than the standard Autolites,
again more exposed spark, & last but not least, a plug that operates in the low sprectrum of the rated heat range. All this and more, bundled in a nickel plated plated shell resister plug. You can't go wrong.
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Doc
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5/29/2002
10:41:59
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Boon or Harlow,
'00QC with 5.9.
Installing an M1 and Fastman Throttle Body. I already have an AirAid and 3" cat-back.
Is the appropriate plug the Ar3923?
Thanks,...D
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RTD2
Dodge Dakota
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5/29/2002
12:26:57
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"CW, I saw one post that claimed the Autolites produced 4-5 hp on the dyno!! Why did you go back to Champions?"
Okay now maybe Im just an idiot but could someone please explain to me how the h3ll a SPARK creates more horsepower? I mean I know that it would limit misfirings, but call me crazy, I would figure that when a spark lights the air/fuel mix, its going to combust, one way or the other.
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Boon
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5/29/2002
17:35:10
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Doc, Ar3923 should be fine I have Ar3924's with 2000+ miles in my '01
R/T, 87 octane not a ping yet. Remember these plugs run in the cool end of the heat range.
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Boon
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5/29/2002
17:45:33
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RTD2, A plug can produce h/p by getting more voltage across the plug gap, which will insure the
spark stays lit. MSD= Multiple Spark Discharge.These boxes relight the spark because at high RPM's the intake charge can quench the flame. Also by unshrouding the flame, as the case with the cut back ground on the AR plugs, more of the flame kernel is exposed to the intake charge
which promotes a more complete burning of the air/fuel mixture. Hope this helps....
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RTD2
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5/29/2002
17:54:50
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Yep... now that makes more sense to me.
Thanks Muchly
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jjj
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5/29/2002
18:52:41
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Boon,
Since when does a spark plug produce voltage. If you are going to BS do it properly :)
MSD works on the principle that if there is not an igniteable fuel mixture with the first spark one of the other sparks will eventually hit an igniteable (sp) mixture. And in all reality one long strong spark works better in most cases than multiple sparks. Why do the racers with the mopar wedges use the Gold box instead of MSD?
The voltage that will jump across the plug gap is determined by the conductivity of the mixture in the gap and the amount of enery available from your ignition. On ave. it only takes less than 15kv to ignite most mixtures. Watch a scope and you will see the voltage required.
As far as the unshrouding, this is true to a small degree. But if you want to talk flame kernel the 3923's defeat this by moving it out of the combustion chamber effectively retarding the timing. The projected tip is better since it puts the spark at a superior location and the tip is cooled by the incoming charge. Though a slighly colder projected plug works slightly better for deto but not emmisions.
The only way the 3923's could produce more hp (and at what rpm) is that they may have kept that engine out of deto thus more hp.
The best plug I have used is the champ 4412 which is a truck plug for a 4.0 Jeep.
In the end use what works for your setup.
Jeff
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Boon
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5/29/2002
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Triple J, of course a spark plug doesn't prouduce voltage, but it does provide a path. Any reduction in resistance will increase current to the plug gap which will insure a stronger spark with less chance of it quenching. I'm not trying to B.S. anyone, I'm no rookie,I've spent 50 hrs. a week for the last 10 years in and around parts/catalogs. have been to as many trade shows talking to mfg. reps. (now they can B.S.)and looking at displays/demo's. I have used Champ.Truck plugs in a '92 3.9 Dak and wifes '95-C1500 didn't really like 'em. cost VS performace wise that is.
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jjj
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5/29/2002
20:10:24
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just bustin chops with ya alittle :0
You have to watch the resistance part though, since non resistor plugs have alot less resistance but some computers don't really appreciate the RF interference.
Try the 4412's you might like them. I currently use in my 5.9 QC 4X4 the MSD 8.5 custom fit wires w/accell solid core coil wire, stock cap and rotor, MSD blaster 2 coil (off my Cuda), and the 4412's. No pinging w/87 octane and 6 deg. advance, even when towing :)
My dad just got a QC 4.7 4X4 auto SO looks like we will have to put the 5.9-4.7 debate to rest. Hope I win :)
Since my only mods are the above and a K&N drop in filter oh yeah no crank fan, we are both close to stock. The extra timing is the only real difference as the fan doesn't help as much as it did on the 99 5.2 that I had.
Jeff
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harlow wilcox
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5/29/2002
20:51:49
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Boon said it best, "Autolites #Ar3924/Ar3923's are the best value available. At around $2.50 ea. you get a thick cut back ground electrode, (to unshroud the flame.)
75% less resistance than the standard Autolites,
again more exposed spark, & last but not least, a plug that operates in the low sprectrum of the rated heat range. All this and more, bundled in a nickel plated plated shell resister plug. You can't go wrong."
So try the option that Boon tried and see for yourself why Autolite is America's fastest growing brand of high quality sparkplugs.
From bumper to tailight, you are always right with Autolite!
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