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sicminds
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4/27/2005
09:23:09
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has any one experienced this manifold? Just was looking into it.
What about a product called crosswinds, edlebrock look a like
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gen1dak
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4/27/2005
11:13:55
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ARe you referring to the Performer RPM AirGap? If so, it's an awesome intake that makes huge torque down low in true dual plane tradition, but also actually smokes most single plane intakes in the HP dept. I'm wondering about the Crosswinds unit myself. It looks to be the LA version, but modified with the bolt bosses for use with Magnums as well. This was how it was done if you had a good LA intake, and didn't want the M1's cost. I'm just wondering why it's so much less expensive.
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sicminds
GenIII
4/27/2005
13:27:10
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yeah there are a couple goingon ebay for cheap, any one else experence them?
So i take it the edelbrock is a good bet, but will it work well with my genIII?>
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pete
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4/27/2005
14:09:05
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how do you plan on getting your injectors in there?
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gen1dak
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4/27/2005
14:27:04
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The AirGap intakes are intended for carburetor use only. :-(
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Kaderdak
GenIII
4/27/2005
15:55:58
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As a slightly cheaper alternative to the M1 mopar makes a single plane manifold for the multi-port 5.2/5.9 Summit racing carries them for around $290.
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=eadvsearch.asp&SearchType=Engine
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Kaderdak
GenIII
4/27/2005
18:02:05
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Just out of curiousity I took at look at the crosswind manifold that I think you were talking about on ebay. If you look closely it looks like there are ports where you could drill out holes for injector bosses. I emailed the seller and said they are meant to be drilled out for nitrous, but you would do it for injectors if you wanted to as well. He wasn't sure if it would work but said it was worth a shot. It's a nice looking manifold for only $135. I'm not sure how crazy I am about drilling holes in a manifold to stick fuel injectors in though :(
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** Homebrew CIA, Dynomax Catback, March Underdrive Pulleys, Transgo Kit **
** Borg Warner Brass Cap/Rotor to Taylor 8mm wires to NGK plugs **
** Homebrew dual electric fan setup with 180* thermostat **
** Sitting on BFG 31 x 10.50's **
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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4/27/2005
18:50:29
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Yeah, it'd work. I've seen the same thing done to various other intakes "intended" for carbs.
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sicminds
GenIII
4/27/2005
20:42:58
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what other options are there to the m1 intake, kinda pricey
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pete
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4/28/2005
02:56:48
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once ya get the holes drilled, and whatever else you would need to convert that manifold to carb, if anything... youd be over the cost of an m1.....
so, it looks like we're still stuck with one option.
pete
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N56629
Dodge Dakota
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4/28/2005
06:42:28
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Has anyone here tried this manifold?
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sicminds
GenIII
4/28/2005
11:26:14
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what type is that? looks like it would work
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gen1dak
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4/28/2005
11:53:06
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That's another variant of the M1 for Magnum. It's a "one size fits all" type that allows carb or MPI in one. I have a predecessor to this model that was produced with undrilled MPI bosses so one could start out with a carb (and stay), or move to MPI when the equipment was available.
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N56629
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4/28/2005
13:06:38
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I would think that it would really suck on a stock engine. Seems that you would lose a lot of bottom end. Basically, worse than a regular M1.
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Kaderast
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4/28/2005
14:50:14
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Here's a pic of the Crosswinds manifold that is selling on ebay, $135 bucks is probably the best deal you'll find for an aftermarket manifold for our truck. The only issue with these is that you have to drill out the ports for the injectors. Seems a little sketchy to me, but apparently it can be done without problem.
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N56629
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4/28/2005
15:34:34
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It can be done, but it takes a competent machinist to do it. Not something you would want to tackle with a hand drill or even a drill press.
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87 4x4 dak
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4/28/2005
16:18:28
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That crosswinds intake looks like a dual plane and I wouldnt recomend converting a dual plane manifold for multiport fuel injection. Since the runners for the 3-4-5-6 cylindars are drasticly different lenghts than the 1-2-7-8 you would not get equal airflow to all the ports. It is probably doable, but you would never get the best benefits of multiport because some cylindars would be really rich and others lean. Most conversions of a carburator intake to efi are done on single planes because they get more equalized flow. The dual plane works great for tbi carb because it has a strong vacume signal but that is not so important on multi port setups, the main concern with them is equal flow so all the cylindars make close to the same power. The performer RPM is also a dual plane, probably the best intake you can buy for a carburated engine, but it was never intended for efi, and will not work well with it.
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gen1dak
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4/28/2005
18:52:00
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A regular M1? The only difference is the opening setup for a 4V carb of throttle body, instead of the 2V, which is what the adapter is for.
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N56629
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4/28/2005
22:13:11
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Looks shorter or lower than M1s that I have seen. Is it the standard 4bbl. configuration. Yes, I have seen a few M1 4bbls and with adapters too.
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gen1dak
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4/28/2005
22:31:59
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Yeah, it's a 4V. Convenient because you could later bolt on 1000cfm throttle body, pop the injectors in and boogie. It does look shorter in that pic, but take a look at the airflow dividers inside. I haven't read anything about them being shorter. I'm thinking it's just the angle the pic is taken at.
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mikenmat
Dodge Dakota
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4/29/2005
16:43:10
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Hughes Engines has a modified Barrel Intake available. The price is a little high, so I modified mine myself. My mods were not as extensive as H.E. but still effective. I made a filler panel for the cavern under the runners and epoxied it in place. I made sure to have a smooth surface by the runner entrance(no lip). I also shortened my runners by 5/8 of an inch and gasket matched the exit(a lot of area to open it up). What a differnce in torque but admitedly I didn't notice much at the top end.
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