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Jack Schitt
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4/19/2002
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I trying to decide whether or not to buy a regular cab dakota with the manual 4.7 or a regular cab r/t. Motortrend clocked a quadcab with the auto 4.7 at 7.4 sec. 0-60 and 15.8 1/4 mile. It's in the may 2002 issue, pg.134 if you don't believe me. I saw on Motortrend's website one time that a regular cab r/t did 0-60 in 7.1 sec., don't remember the 1/4 time. But anyway, if these numbers are correct, then it looks like a manual 4.7 would be every bit as fast as a r/t if both are rc. Any thoughts on this? I would rather have the manual 4.7 because of the gas mielage factor, but if the r/t is faster by a fair amount then I might go that way. And please don't tell me to go drive them and see for myself, because I can't even find a regular cab manual 4.7 on the lot much less a reg. cab r/t. Just wanted to get the opinions of some v8 dakota drivers. Thanks in advance.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
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4/19/2002
14:15:44
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Those numbers are a little high for both trucks. I know the R/T will do 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 in 15 stock.
They perform about the same on average, if your just looking for a stock truck then don't worry about performance, make your decision based upon other factors. The R/T advantage is in handling and cosmetics (lower, rims, tires, etc.) not just performance.
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Art
Dodge Dakota
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4/19/2002
14:26:31
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I agree with post above,the 4.7 with 5 speed is a wicked little combo but if you want flat out 1/4 mile truck the r/t is the way to go,lots of mods for it that make a difference.Personally I wanted a r/t but no 5 speed was the deciding factor for me and went for the 4.7 5speed combo
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Hersbird
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4/19/2002
15:01:40
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I went through a similar thought process but ultimately it was the shifter blocking the ability to put a 3 people in the front that moved me toward the R/T. Funny thing is I ended up getting one with bucket seats anyway! Very happy with the R/T, but would have been happy with a 4.7 5-speed as well.
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Duner
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4/19/2002
17:09:05
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It all depends on what you are really after.
If you are looking for a sporty truck that really kicks when you nail the throttle, still gets decent fuel mileage and you will leave it fairly stock.... and like a manual trans, then the 4.7 5-speed is what you want. It's also rated for more towing capacity. The down-side to the sport is the lack of respect and lack of "attitude" when stock (although it does make a great sleeper). The current lack of mods for the 4.7 engine will probably cease to exist.... you just might have to waite for them for a while.
If you want something a little more flashy with a bunch more "attitude", or you are into having a vehicle that handles well, or will want to add a bunch of mods.... then the R/T is what you want. The only down-side of the R/T is the fuel mileage and the lack of manual trans.... (if you want a manual trans). As far as the "rated" towing capacity - if I really wanted an R/T I would ignore that anyway and still tow.
I personally think you can make a RC 4.7 5-speed go quicker for less than an R/T - if you pick the right mods. ;>) Like others said, they both perform about the same at the drag strip in stock form.... or at least close enough to start about 10,000 arguments anyway. hehehe
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Aaro
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4/20/2002
08:16:48
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Compaired to a 5-sp the same car or truck will need about 7% more power to run the same time with a auto ,but this is only if the 5-sp is driven right ,no wheel spin between gears & no missed shifts .Autos are much more cosistant ,most drag racers rum an auto because they don't break driveline parts as easy (less shock )and are free from driver error after the frist 60'.
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Black02QC
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4/20/2002
11:30:49
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How does the 4.7 automatic compare with the R/T and the 4.7 5spd?
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Hersbird
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4/20/2002
14:59:32
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The difference between a 4.7 5-speed, and an equal 4.7 auto is probably about .3 sec in the 1/4 mile.
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sandman
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4/20/2002
23:33:55
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I think that the 4.7 5 SPD reg cab is the way to go. Their are alot more things to break with a push rod engine. Their is also alot more problems with gasket failures on the 5.9. I think that the 4.7 is going to be a great engine for long term durability. The only weakness in in the piston design. I also think that the power band of the 4.7 will be alot more fun to play with in 5 SPD format. You will be able to run it up to redline and then down shift going into the curve and jump on the gas just before you hit the apex. In essence you can drive it like a large Miata. I am pretty sure you can get the tire and handeling package to improve handeling. If you need alot of low end torque then get the 5.9. If you like an engine that spools up guickly and prefers higher RPM's get the 4.7!!!
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Hersbird
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4/20/2002
23:45:59
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The RC 4.7 even with the tire package does not get a rear sway bar, the only way to get a rear bar from the factory on the 2wd RC's is with the R/T. You can always get good handling from a aftermarket kit though.
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Duner
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4/21/2002
01:04:30
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Or, you can just buy a used R/T rear sway bar off ebay for next to nothing and install it yourself. They aren't that pricey from the Dodge dealer either.
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Jack Schitt
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4/22/2002
09:44:38
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Tkanks eveybody. Looks like I'm leaning towards the 4.7. I really like the way the r/t looks, but for the small difference in performance if any, I like the 5speed 4.7. I can always dress it up a little. My dealer told me he could get me some r/t rims, $700 for the silver painted, $1100 for the chrome. Looks like silver for me. I may wait a little while though and see if the rumors about the 5.7 hemi for 03 r/t are true. Does anybody know if this is confirmed?
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xplikt
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4/22/2002
10:41:39
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Ouch, don't pay those sealer prices, you might as well get the 20" RT rims!
BTW, I have a 4.7L 5spd and LOVE IT, so much fun to drive. Also, be SURE you get the 3.92 gear ratio for $40 extra, or you will REALLY regret it later...trust us on this one.
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Jack Schitt
Dodge Dakota
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4/22/2002
13:30:35
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xplikt, I don't know what gear ratios there are to choose from, but why the 3.92? Just curious.
Yea, $700 is more than I want to pay for just the rims, but I bought some aftermarket rims for a Ranger once and the truck really road rough. I kind of wanted to stay away from aftermarket wheels unless there are some that fit really well on the Dakota.
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Duner
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4/22/2002
13:47:39
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The 3.92 gears really wake the 4.7 engine up! Also.... be sure to get the SureGrip limited slip with those 3.92s. You can get the exact same wheels cheaper than $700.... you should be able to get them for more like $500. Unless of course they are talking about delivering you the truck with the 17s already installed with the tires..... then $700 doesn't sound that bad.
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Jack Schitt
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4/22/2002
14:06:42
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Nope, $700 for rims only. I'm going to try to special order the truck with the 17's and the 255/55/17 tires on it, but I doubt that deal will fly. Anyway, if the 3.92s wake the engine up, then they sound good to me.
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Gman
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4/22/2002
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The 3.92 gears will give you a great jump off the line. I have not found a car or truck on the street that can take me out of the hole yet with my 4.7 5 spd rc. The 3.92 gears will make it really torquey. I tow an 18 foot boat with my truck and it doesnt even struggle coming up the ramp.
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Alex
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4/22/2002
15:52:30
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Can anyone hook up with the 5sp 4.7 with the 3.92s?? I cant and have the r/t rims and tires and it made no difference??
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TallQuad
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4/23/2002
00:32:10
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I hook up... but I have 33's. :-P
I say get the 4.7 5spd!!
TallQuad
2002 2wd 4.7 5spd. 3.92
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Jeffster
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4/23/2002
21:10:59
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You have to find the right launch RPM and weight on the gas pedal. Hooking up with a 4.7 5 speed is touch and go. If you mash the gas forget it unless you got slicks.
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Bludak2k
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4/24/2002
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The 3.92s seemed too low to me, I have the 3.55s, and I still have trouble hookin up with 11 inch wide tires. Slip clutch at 1250 rpm then mash it. Works best for me.
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notchlx
Dodge Dakota
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4/25/2002
00:42:44
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I'm running 275-60-15's out back, and have some Lakewood Traction Bars. The truck will hook hard, if launching below 2,000rpm, anything more will blow the tires off. I also have the 3:92's and 5-speed. What a great combo.
The best time I've gotten was a 14.8 @ 91mph. This is with the bars, and a flowmaster muffler.
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drtswinger
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4/26/2002
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I say get the r/t. built for performance, can be more easily modded, already handles well, and its a proven engine. but thats my opinion.
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Nate
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4/27/2002
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I just bought a 2002 SLT Club Cab 4x4 with the 4.7L & 5-speed. I love it. I dont know about the 3.92 gear ratio though. My friends parents have it in there truck and hate it. They say it gets bad gas mileage and sucks to drive on the highway. I have the 3.55 and think that combo is perfect for everyday driving. With the 3.92s and all the rain we get here I dont think I would ever get anywhere :P.
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Aaro
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4/28/2002
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If you plan on beating on it the 5sp my not be the best choice. The driveline shock is very high when you slam shift and the trans does not like to shift fast,it's a truck trans. The auto needs a shift kit but is much cheeper than custom trans and built up rear gear.
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