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TEAMFAST
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
21:51:29
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Is there a way of spottong a v6 mustang from a v8? It would save me some embarrassment. Thanks
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steveo
Dodge Dakota
10/27/2001
00:12:37
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look at the rear bumpers. the v6's just say mustang and the gt's say mustang gt, cobras, just say cobra, dual exhaust could be a giveaway too, v8's come stock w/ duals
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/27/2001
03:28:02
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the v6's also come with a 15" wheel while the GT's have 17's
Eric
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/27/2001
03:30:09
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oh yea, the cobra's also have amber turn signals in the tail lights. the GT's and v6's have all red lights
Eric
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
10/27/2001
10:31:28
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Sounds like someone got thier ass whooped up something fierce :)
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Troy
Dodge Dakota
10/27/2001
14:01:19
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Some new Mustang V6's have dual exhaust, so this won't help. New GT's have a high hood scoop and side scoops: V6's don't. V6's have a horse on the fender, V8's have a snake or a GT emblem. The wheels are a definite give-away. Hope this helps.
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TEAMFAST
Dodge Dakota
10/27/2001
21:55:01
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Havent raced any yet, but thats an ultimate insult to get burned by a truck.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
10/27/2001
22:23:51
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What's your set up Teamfast? Many of the V8 stangs are very very beatable. Iv'e done more in than vise versa.
The last V6 stang that I raced was kind of a joke I started off slowly not expecting anything and the guy floors it and chirps second. I powered hard trough 2nd and screeched third even with my LS and that was the end of that. The V6 stangs are usually very very slow and not anything special to beat. Even the V-tec 4 bangers beat the V6 stangs.
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BlueTwister
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10/27/2001
23:14:37
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The new v6 stangs are pretty quick since they had about a 40 horse gain to around 200hp.Just thought I would throw that in there!
1999 RC 4x4 / 318cid / MasterCraft 32x11.50s
15x8 Optima Alloys/ Pioneer Sound System
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SuperDak
Dodge Dakota
10/28/2001
16:23:46
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any HP improvments to 4.6L??
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/28/2001
16:27:56
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in 99 the GT got a bump to 260HP
Eric
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Kyle M.
Dodge Dakota
10/28/2001
19:48:40
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I like racing the Stang v-6's and whooping them with my 3.9. I can't beat the V-8's as much, but I am trying.
One good way I use to tell them apart is the rims. the 6ers use a 3 spoke pattern and the GT's normally use a 5 spoke. The single and dual exhaust is also a good indicator to.
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trickortreat
Dodge Dakota
10/28/2001
20:23:07
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Jeffster you are so full of *hit! When was the last time you raced a Dump truck? ;a/
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Teamfast
Dodge Dakota
10/28/2001
22:31:13
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Just a cat back dual set up. No air intake yet, waiting for K&N 4.7 5 speed 3.55 ls
My truck is in storage now. Over the winter I am installing a 2-4 drop, intake if its ready, and a mopar lid goes on in the spring. So Im pretty much tapped out for HP until I get my supercharger at the end of the warranty
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Ace
Dodge Dakota
10/28/2001
22:47:48
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GT's are beatable with a mod V8. 5.0's all run 15.5+ stock with a 5sp and 16.2+ with a auto.'98 and older 4.6 about 15.2 and the 01's about 14.0 and the 2001 auto about 14.7.Just remember they can do mods too, 150hp shot of gas can make a fast truck look the fool---been there done that.
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aggie97
Dodge Dakota
10/28/2001
23:24:38
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Well, I have both a Dak and a 00' Stang with a reasonable list of mods. My 2000 QC 4x4 5.9 is a pretty good match for any non-cobra stang 98 and previous even when the stangs are lightly modified. I can usually take anything off the line through first gear. After that I just run out of umphh.
As far as stangs go. Do not mess with the 99+ stangs. When these cars get even lightly modified, they put out some serious hurt. I have to give ford some credit as they finally generated some good torque numbers. I am getting 285 ft-lbs at the rear wheels and almost 220 of that at just 1800 rpm.
Cobras are another story but I am sure there is someone around here with a dak that has taken a cobra. I had one and just got into too much trouble with it....wish I had it back.
If I could just find a way to get the Dak to breath better from 4000 to redline, I think that it would be a real monster. I am looking at the crower 1.7 rockers and a throttle body and FIPK to see what it will do but I am also considering more mods for the stang too. I hate having two toys that just beg for mods......
Life suxx....Hehehehehehehehe.
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Bob
GenIII
10/29/2001
08:34:34
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Thank you Ace and aggie97 for you input.You sure know Mustangs and Dakotas.Any one that races a 5spd 2000 up Mustang with there 360 or 287 Dakota better have the mods on there trucks or you are going to loose.
Some say there Dak with reg cab 4.7 with 5spd can beat anything on the road--Hahaha to them.A 5spd stick in a Dakota was not made for drag racing,It well not be long before that trans is junk!
God Bless The USA
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BlueTwister
*GenIII*
10/29/2001
15:23:10
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Hey Bob just wanted to welcome you to the forums.Is that Toledo OH??Can't get enough good people from OH to show off there Daks!! Later
1999 RC 4x4 / 318cid / MasterCraft 32x11.50s
15x8 Optima Alloys/ Pioneer Sound System
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Bob
GenIII
10/29/2001
20:23:35
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Thanks Jason,but I have been on this web site since about Nov of 2000.I don't get to post many threads because I'm always building the new Jeep Liberty at the new state of the art plant in Toledo Ohio or sleeping.I live in Maumee Ohio.I make time to post a thread if the boys start raging on Mustangs. Hahaha
When cheese gets it picture taken, what does it say?
God Bless The USA
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JT
Dodge Dakota
10/30/2001
09:38:06
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My wife and I have a RC 4.7 with a 5spd and 3.92 gears. We(meaning just both of us in the truck and me driving) made a 99+ Mustang GT walk away with its tail tucked betweeen its legs. It mostly sometimes depends on the driver of the vehicle too..my wife driving the Dak can't beat me in my 2000 S-10 RC V-6!...
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
18:01:00
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I have a 2001 Dakota R/T and raced a 2000-2001 model GT the other day and it was a close race but after I hit 3rd gear I was pulling away...also helps when your in an automatic and hez in a stick shift. I put an Airaid intake and throttle body spacer and dual exhaust and notice a big difference from stock. Stock HP is 245 and if the numbers are correct from everything I added to it...it should be up to 270 HP now. It was a great feeling burning a stang after getting kicked by a vette the same night...haha.
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aggie97
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
22:52:34
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Need, not to flame you or anything but the guy probably backed off.....I do it all the time at the first two lights and then destroy people on the third. Keep in mind that the 270hp you are making is only 10 more than a STOCK GT and he has a more efficient driveline....standard....and weighs 800 pounds less. I will let the numbers speak for themselves. With only exhaust mods and a cold air intake, I am seeing 240 rwhp, and 285 rwtq on a stang with only 6k miles. this is about 285 hp at the crank and 340 in torque. The curve was flat as hell on torque too which is great!! My 2000 QC 5.9 is begging for more torque to show up the stang!!!! And a diet of about 1200 pounds.
By no means am I flaming you but the Stang probably didn't want to waste the possible ticket. Yes, R/T's are fast for trucks....I used to own one. but they are just that, fast trucks.
Don't let this discourage you at all. Please feel free to go and waste little ricers all day. I just love it when I see their faces when the QC 4x4 waxes their arse off the line and it takes about 80mph for them to finally catch me. I also have the fear factor that I could Park on top of them if they won and tried to rub it in!!!!
Good luck to all smoke anything with rice.
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Kyle M.
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
22:54:17
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I am making a recomendation that you not race a 2002 Corvette Z06 with your Dakota. These things are faster than sh!t flyin when it hits a fan.
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
10:09:44
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Aggie, that dude didn't let up...we were on a service road and he was about to enter the freeway and didn't let up till he got on it...and its not 240HP...the stock 2001 R/T's come w/ 245HP to start off w/...adding all my mods puts it up to at least 270. And that dude in the stang even beat me off the light by a second cuz I wasn't paying attention...I caught up to him..was even w/ him through 2nd gear wrapping it around to 5000RPMs then I gradually pulled away..I even looked over and that dude was doin some heavy shifting, so he definatley wasn't letting up...I just looked and waved goodbye...sounds like your a mustang lover...if U are sorry to disappoint you...but I had the stang beat even w/ a delayed reaction at the light.
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
10:17:26
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Well I didn't actually race a vette I just turned a corner and took off and saw a vette turn the corner about 3 sec behind me and I was punchin it and saw him come up from behind me and blow by me like I was a Yugo I'm not dumb enough to believe I can take a Vette it just passed me like I was parked haha. If I had money I could get a vette and show up people too...but I'll have to settle for the R/T for now. :o)
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/06/2001
12:21:38
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either the stang didnt know how to drive or he let up. the new body 5speed's run 14 flat in the 1/4. a R/T (sorry dude you dont have 270 HP its more like 255) run 15-16 in the 1/4.
maby he missed 3rd and hit 5th on accident.
Eric
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
12:31:48
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Sorry dude he didn't hesitate in gears he didn't let up it was a clean smooth race nobody slipped up or missed any gears. It was close but I pulled away end of story.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/06/2001
12:37:14
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well then i just dont beleve you. your truck starts to drop off at about 4000 rpm and the stang starts to wake up at 3000. i dont see how you can "pull away" from him. unless you have giggle gas
Eric
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
13:49:44
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I'm sure I woulda got smoked if that dude woulda put mods in his car...I guess it was just stock and maybe the new intake I put on my R/T was well worth it if I didn't drop off at 4000 like U say. I know I'm not match for Z28's or Trans Ams but why do U find it hard to believe an R/T can't keep up w/ mustangs? Mustangs aren't that fast 260HP isn't that much compared to a 300+ the Z's and TA's come w/ stock...to me beating a mustang really isn't that big of an accomlishment, just gives me a good feeling that I actually shut the guy up for thinkin he was tough sh*t in his stang. Somethin to brag about would be beating a Firehawk.
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DakGuy
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
15:00:22
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Sorry NeedForSpeed but I have out run a few R/Ts in my wifes 99 Mustang v6 5 spd. and it's got 70 less horsepower than a GT nevermind the torque difference. My Dak runs 14.7 (for now) and my freind has a 00 GT, it's a close race but I haven't beet him YET. Anyway, I believe you but I just can't believe he was trying to win.
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
16:14:07
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Dude an R/T don't have 70 less HP, 2001 stock R/T's have 245HP to start off w/, 2001 stang GT's have 260HP stock thats 15 less HP I've added I've got mods which up that to about 270 and your wifes V6 is not even close to 245HP if its a V6 its only 190HP. U must've raced a regular dakota V8 4.7 model. Anyways it looked to me like he had it punched to the floor cuz he was goin through those gears pretty damn fast...maybe he was some rich dude that didn't know how to drag race...I used to have a 5.0 stang and had experience racing...I dunno if this makes any difference, but I race my R/T w/ Overdrive off cuz it shifts gears way too early w/ it on and I get more power out of it if I leave it off...I think it also saves time if U got an automatic in a race...its saves shift time. But it was a GT and I can't say I smoked it but I pulling away and the engine was full bore I mean U can tell when someone lets up and I dunno how many times I'll say it...he was trying....believe it or not.
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
16:19:26
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Nevermind that first part of my last reply I reread that guys reply and I see what U were saying...still though it don't make sense if U were keeping up w/ a GT at 260 HP w/ only 190 HP w/ the R/T's stock 245HP that U would burn a R/T...have U had experience drag racing or what?
Are you sure the guy U were racing w/ the GT wasn't going easy on U? haha
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aggie97
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
17:53:29
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Need, I am not going to discredit you again, but keep in mind that the stock shifter in a GT is not worth the stuff that falls from birds in flight. If the guy was shifting alot, then he may have been missing gears. If you didn't hear the tires barking and screaming from the stang when he hit second.....then he was not really on it. 2nd gear power shifts are very traction limited in my car. Getting a stang to hook well is hard with a 5 speed and I don't doubt the guy just lit them up and you didn't with the Auto. You will gain football fields on a car if you aren't spinning the tires. Try my quad cab 4x4 in the rain....or dirt in 4wd. NO spin just lunge forward.
Please do keep in mind that the 240 hp I mentioned was at the rear wheels. Take your 270 - 25% for the auto and you are getting around 202-210 to the ground in a vehicle that weighs 600-800 lbs more. On dyno day at Dallas Mustang, there was a guy there with an R/T with just about every bolt on except the roller rockers and he did 225? rwhp, and I don't remember the torque, but it was near 285 or 290rwtq. Good number I guess for an R/T with an Auto. I really wish they would put 5speeds behind the 5.9's and it would be a real performance buy. All I am asking is that you acknowledge that it takes more hp and less weight to go faster. Those two things combined makes your story a little far fetched......
To end the story though, I offer my GT against your R/T in a heads up if you are ever around. I will give you the chance to prove yourself to one and all.
Good luck and keep havin' fun.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/06/2001
21:34:29
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need, that TB spacer adds NOTHING, and the poweraid filter isnt the best intake. you probably gained 10hp max at the crank.
i have K&N genII, 50mm TB, 1.7 roller rockers, high flow cat, cat back exhaust, 180 T-stat, and msd wires and i dont think i am a match for the new stangs
Eric
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
00:52:46
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The Poweraid spacer don't add anything when U got your throttle full bore...its adds the HP when your at mid throttle like when your on the highway and wanna pass someone and gradually accelerate...thats when the HP is added...everyone dynotests the spacer romping down on the gas, yeah that'll show no HP or MPG gain. I believe they do work just not for the reasons many people think.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/07/2001
02:07:15
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well if it dosent work at WOT i guess it didnt help you in your race against the GT.
if it dosent work at WOT (when more air is intering your intake manifold) why would it work better (at all) at part throtle?
Eric
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
09:12:18
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hahaha I dunno but I am gonna get my money back
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reddak318
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
20:29:17
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i have no respect for stangs except the sound. Most stang drivers are little punks that mommy and daddy just bought them a 99gt. DAks have to start representin out on the streets. come on now fellas!
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
23:34:37
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Hey not to brag or anything but I pulled up to a older model stang...later 80 model early 90's and it was loud as shlt kinda intimidating but I reved the engine wantin to race and we both punched it off the line and I was kinda surprised I was ahead the hole time while pressing it to the floor I thought for sure he'd beat me cuz w/ that loud exahaust I was for sure he'd have all sorts of mods..maybe he did I dunno but I beat him..then I turned and kinda went slow as he turned at the light too kinda like waitin for him and he came up beside me and we punched it again and I still was ahead...those loud exhaust made it even more obvious that the engine was stuggling to keep up. My heart was beating like crazy I was goin crazy that I beat stang that had flames as a paint job haha. I beat a 2000 model GT the other day too but people were doggin me about that sayin he let up which I was watchin him doing his power shifting the whole way and nobody believes me...oh well I beat 2 stangs and I know neither of them let up...no matter what anyone says.
~Mike~
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GenIII
11/08/2001
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im out of breath just reading that.
Eric
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aggie97
Dodge Dakota
11/08/2001
09:11:34
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how do you get this thread to stop emailing you? I am tired of hearing about dakotas and mustangs racing. Take it to the track where people know how to drive a fast car and we will let the numbers speak for themselves. If you watch drag racing, just small amounts of difference in reaction time leave huge differences at the end of the track. Street racing is not perfect and Daks launch pretty well because of the weight on the rear tires. Most mustang drivers don't know how to get the most out of the car and they are pain in the arse to launch well.
Good luck and be careful...
P.S. kill this thread so my email doesn't load up any more.
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