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Orange8
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12/07/2004
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What is the best way to increase bottom end hp & torque? I want more when I am pulling a box trailer. I have a 99, 5.2L, 3.92 rear end. Is a superchip programmer and cold air intake gonna do it? Is it the best option for bang for buck?
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Orange8
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12/07/2004
19:40:52
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I also wondered if the only gains from these mods were at the high end. I don't understand this either, if the only thing a superchip tuner does is allow you to raise the rev limiter and the top speed limit, how does it increase hp & t? Are ther other things the tuner allows you to do that I don't know about?
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jasonsdakota
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12/07/2004
23:52:06
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advances timing mostly. more torque from a reflash superchips and 93 octane. should be low end and top end. that's a good rear end. keep it. some cams are good torque cams. start looking into that too.
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99dakota
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12/08/2004
01:40:35
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the superchips increases power everywhere. I have one but am not curently using it because of gas prices it does also have a towing option which I haven't tried yet. I also have a cold air intake and it did increase low end torque I have a 4x4 5.2L 5 speed with 3,55 and I have plenty of low end I can drive around under 2000 rpm all day long. It towed a friends baot without a problem also I do have a bunch of otherr mods now also.
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jasonsdakota
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12/08/2004
22:34:17
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cai are not really designed for low end torque. put one on a dyno and won't help as much as top end. may help some low end, but is especially designed for top end. same 200 could be put towards a cam if you need low end. .02
my cams KILLED my cai
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Orange8
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12/08/2004
23:47:26
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Thanks for the info so far, I would like to hear some more suggestions and comments. Also, I forgot to add that mine is a 5 speed.
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Carroll Shelb
Dodge Dakota
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12/09/2004
08:51:29
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y
"Horsepower sells cars, Torque wins races". Which one would you want more of?
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Orange8
Dodge Dakota
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12/09/2004
16:22:47
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which one would be to my advantage pulling a 7x16x6.5 box trailer and why? what is the best way to get whatever your answer is? don't know near enough about this stuff, thats why I'm here, to learn. Thanks.
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Kowalski
GenIII
12/09/2004
17:13:53
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You want torque. You already have a pretty good combination for pulling that with the 3.92 gears. The extra spark advance from a flash or chip can help all rpms.
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Knock knock
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12/09/2004
18:00:31
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Too much advance in heavy load conditions can lead to trouble. That is why it is not recomended to tow with a DC performance PCM.
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jasonsdakota
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12/09/2004
22:16:08
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knock knock, whos there, engine pinging under load. n-e-way, superchips does have a tow mode which requires 93 while towing but about half the timing advance so you don't ping too badly. with a programmer you have that control.
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Orange8
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12/09/2004
23:08:11
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"Too much advance in heavy load conditions can lead to trouble. That is why it is not recomended to tow with a DC performance PCM."
OK, what is a DC performance PCM? I don't understand all these things......PCM=Power Control Mod, DC=?? also, what are you talking about when you say putting in a PCM? is that the same as getting the superchip tuner? would I need to get a new PCM if I got a tuner? I don't understand.....also, does anyone have any dyno results or something else that would shoe how much and WHERE the gains are for adding tuner and/or cold air intake?
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Kowalski
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12/10/2004
15:26:23
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DC = Daimler Chrysler (MOPAR). Stock PCM is all you want with that tuner, like they say, you don't want too much advance towing. Any pinging you can hear is bad.
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Orange8
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12/10/2004
23:32:27
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Thanks again! I still wish I could get some more opinions.
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Orange8
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12/11/2004
20:43:25
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to the top
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Orange8
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2004
18:18:16
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I guess no one else knows anything about this???
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Sneezer
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12/14/2004
16:14:12
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The Mopar PCM is the computer for your truck. The Mopar unit is not good for towing. A superchips or something similar usually has a tow setting, so you can safely tow without pinging. Also allows for different settings based on the octane of your gas. Mopar is only good with 93 octane.
A tuner would really be the only choice if you need to tow. You could remove your intake manifold and shorten the runners and clean up the inside a little. That will result in a little more low end power. A set of long tube headers should also help some, and maybe a port/polish job on your throttle body. Most of the other mods result in more hp gains than torque, and won't really help out too much for the money.
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Orange8
Dodge Dakota
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12/16/2004
03:05:11
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does the truck come stock with the Mopar pcm or is it something that is an add-on? when you said it is not good for towing, (if it is stock) does that mean I should change to a different one OR (if it is not stock) does that mean I should not waste my money on one? Thanks for you input.
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Orange8
Dodge Dakota
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12/16/2004
19:47:41
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HELP!
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daddio
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12/16/2004
20:22:29
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No, No, No. when they say MOPAR PCM it is a factory performance PCM. No way is it the same as stock. different programming. go to http://www.hypertech-inc.com/ and check it out. if your gonna tow this is what you want. if you want perf and not towing get the mopar pcm.
hope i made some sense for you.
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