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Allen Rinke
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I resently purchased a 97 5.2 CC R/T and would like to run true duals, but my local muffler shop says they can not make the duals work because the o2 sensor is located after the cat and it can not be located in a crossover pipe due to the odb-ll computer system.
Can anyone shed some light on the subject?
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dakota657
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I think is is also illeagel. If it comes with 1 cat then it has to stay with one cat?
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5pnt9ltrluv
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4/07/2002
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Sorry dood, R/T's were only 5.9L and they only came out in 98. Whoever told you it was an R/T lied to you.....
Kris
2002 Atlantic Blue R/T
Current Mods: True dual Flowmaster 40 Series Original (dumped), MSD 6A Ignition w/ Blaster SS coil and Taylor Spirocore 8mm, 360 Intakez w/ 9" K&N, Flowmetrics 50mm billet throttle body, JBA ceramic headers, Autolite 3923's, 180 degree T-stat, TPS @ .725 v
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Hersbird
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Others have located the 02 sensor in the crossover and done just fine. Like Kris said it is not a factory R/T, somebody just put some stickers on it. If a dealer sold you this truck and represented it as an R/T then it would be considered a form a fraud. If it were sold as a "clone" with that knowledge up front, then it's no big deal. The only factory R/Ts out there are 98-2002, RC or CC, 4x2, 360, automatics. The 8th digit in the VIN needs to be a "Z", and the 5th digit a "L".
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ACE
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4/07/2002
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Hey Allen did the same person try to sell you a 1983 corvette.If so you did the right thing buying the '97 R/T with the 5.2 ,much better choice.
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handi2
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4/07/2002
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Good one Ace..!
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CW
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4/07/2002
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LOL
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dakota657
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4/08/2002
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That is funny hey but they did not make the vette that year, Oh wait was that the joke?
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Allen Rinke
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4/10/2002
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For those of you that had positive info on the exhuast and R/T info thanks.
For those with smartass remarks, try to grow up,
I came to this site looking for positive help, like other Dakota owners and I don't find fraud a joking matter....
Now, if someone can direct me to a site for decoding my VIN #, your help would be appreciated or if someone can decode the VIN# on my truck, which is 1B7GL23Y7VS257607 that would be helpful.
The truck was purchased from a Dodge dealer as an R/T and if it definitley is not one of those RARE cases where Dodge slipped up, then the dealer is in it up to its' neck in it.
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HSKR
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4/10/2002
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Nope, not a R/T. The Y in your VIN should be a Z. If the dealer sold it as a R/T, and you piad more for it being a R/T, then they bent you over and dry humped you.
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bernd
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4/10/2002
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The "Z" designates the 5.9L engine...not that it's an R/T. (Ram, Durango, and Jeep have the same "Z" in the VIN.) The "R/T" is an option pack...nothing else.
Allen,
Being a '97 model (probably a sport club-cab) they only have two O2 sensors - One before and one after the cat. They'll have to put the forward O2 sensor in a cross-over ("H" or "X" pipe) and the rear O2 sensor somewhere behind one of the cats (or run an O2-SIMM). Don't go more than 2 or 2.25" inches on the pipes as anything larger on a true-dual will reduce bottom-end TQ. Honestly, i'd stick with a single 3" pipe and a high-flow cat on the truck. It's just as efficient and will keep the noise level down a bit as well (muffler depending of course).
Here's the VIN report:
VIN: 1B7GL23Y7VS257607
Year/Make/Model: 1997 DODGE DAKOTA
Body Style: CLUB CAB PICKUP
Engine: 5.2L V8 SMPI OHV 16V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Carburetion: FUEL INJECTED
Cylinders: 8
Manufactured in: UNITED STATES
The CARFAX database contains a total of 6 vehicle history records on this 1997 DODGE DAKOTA (1B7GL23Y7VS257607):
DATE
REPORTED ODOMETER
READING INFORMATION
SOURCE GENERAL
COMMENTS
06/26/1997 Arkansas
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Bella Vista, AR
Registered as private vehicle
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07/23/1997 47 Arkansas
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Bella Vista, AR
Title #9720311187
Title or registration issued
First lien reported
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04/29/1998 5,380 Arkansas
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Rogers, AR
Title #04019815377
Title or registration issued
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04/02/1999 16,700 Arkansas
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Prairie Grove, AR
Title #72029907179
Title or registration issued
First lien reported
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12/11/2001 48,381 Auto Inventory
Fayetteville, AR
Offered for sale at dealership
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02/08/2002 48,523 Arkansas
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Farmington, AR
Title #72010202830
Title or registration issued
Ownership transfer reported
First lien reported
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Allen Rinke
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4/10/2002
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Bernd, thanks for the help.
I have been checking out VIN decoding sites since the last post and have concluded my truck is in fact not an R/T.
So, the dealer gets my first call today and my attorney gets the second. I am amazed that the dealer would make such a gross miss representation on pupose or by accident.
The truck was advertised in my local paper as an R/T.
Thank to everyone for the heads up.
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Allen Rinke
Dodge Dakota
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Bernd,
I just found some more info on the truck,
it is a Sport CC / 5.2 /44RE (DWG) tranny / 3.92 W/ SUREGRIP , 8-1/4" rear end.
I am curios, any idea how many got the Magenta paint for that year.
My truck did come w/ the R/T wheels and new Dunlop 255/55/17 tires. I guess that takes some of the sting out
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65Camaro
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4/10/2002
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I have a 97' RT also,it looks good sitting next to my 1965 Camaro.
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Hersbird
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bernd- as long as the 7th digit is NOT a "3" and the 8th diigit IS a "Z" then no matter what it is an R/T (assuming a Dakota here). The only way to get a Z as the 8th digit in a Dakota is with the quad cab and there are no quad cab R/Ts. R/T was only an option pack on a 70 challenger as well, but that doesn't make putting strips, hood, and F60-15 Goodyears on a 318 car into a R/T.
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r/t bandon
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4/10/2002
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dude you got screwed and it hilarious. you need to do research(vehicle history,mods) b4 you make a stupid maitake like that
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Hersbird
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He is not the first and won't be the last I'm sure. So cut him some slack, getting lied to by a dealer is nothing new in the world of car buying, thats for sure.
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Tom Slick
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The Dakota R/T is just a Dakota with the R/T option package... just like the Camaro's SS option package... or The Trans Am WS6 option package.
Unfortunately for our fellow Dakota owner, they didn't start offering the R/T Option package until 98.
Later,
Tom "Slick"
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Hersbird
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It is still my point that even if you take a Dakota and completely convert it to have all the same options as an R/T, even to go so far as to replace the 318 or 4.7 with a 360 you still don't have an R/T. Selling shuch a "clone" to an unsuspecting buyer would be a case of fraud. No matter what you do to a RC or a CC you can never legally get that "Z" in the VIN.
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bernd
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4/11/2002
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On engine swaps, if you want to have it done correctly...you need to take your vehicle down to your local BAR Inspection Station where they will check for emissions compliance. Then, they will issue you a new VIN with the proper designations for that model/line. (Yup...the "Z" can actually be put into a VIN...it't not cheap though.)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Hersbird
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4/11/2002
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will it be put in the vin on the dash? and the one on the door sticker? and the emissions one under the hood, and the tag behind the grill, and the one under the rear bumper and... Dodge even used to stamp the vin on the engine and transmission so you really knew if it was an original motor. I don't know if they go that far still but I bet they do fro theft reasons.
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Allen Rinke
Dodge Dakota
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4/21/2002
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Thanks everyone for the your help.
As it turns out my truck is an imposter unfortunatley. I did manage to get a factory build sheet for my truck and a new 02 R/T for comparison an the R/T package is quite extensive.
So now I am in search of a good fraud attorney to take care of the matter.
For those out there considering buying a Dak R/T from anyone, ((((((RUN THE VIN)))))).
Word from the wiser, don't trust dealers they will lie to you as fast as shady individuals.
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TB
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4/21/2002
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You really don't need an attorney to handle this matter. I would contact the dealer and request a refund on the truck. If he fails to meet your demands, you can go to your state's attorneys general office. They have a division that handles such cases. Also, your state licenses dealers and they will be most happy to assist you.
I am sorry that this happened to you. When you get your hands on a genuine R/T, you will love it.
Don't let this one bad experience ruin your quest for an R/T. I love the one I have and so will you.
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Joe
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Im looking for a way to make a O2 sensor. I had seen it posted here and was wondering if any one could help. Thank you.
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Justin
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dakotart360
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8/16/2002
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i just read this post and i know first hand about dealer fraud...i had a 86' Buick GN in fairly good shape and traded it for a 68' firebird...also in good shape..it was advertised as having over 600 hp and gave a long list of parts that were on the motor...like myself i looked at it carefully and it looked like everthing was in place...so i traded even up(asking price was $11,000)...i drove it home thinking i got a good deal...nest couple of days car started running bad so i took to motor shop and they gave me the news..motor was put together by a bunch of 12 year olds...it bearly had 100 horse...so i went back to dealer(chevy)and explained my problem...pretty much told me its my deal now...and walked me out the door...so next day i had a lawyer write up a letter and he sent it..a week later i had a NEW ZZ502/502 sitting on my front porch...letter pretty much said they missrepresented the motor and if they will not clear up this mater they will be getting sued...a big dealership would rather fix the mess than drag thier name through the court system...so for 500 bucks i got what i was suppose to get in the first place...don't let them brush you off...they were in the wrong and they need to clear things up now!!!...now i drive a 00' Dak R/T..go figure..
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