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7/30/2004
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My R/T dakota beat a brand new 1500 HEMI at the track tonight by over a second!!!!
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Ken
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7/30/2004
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The best a RAM HEMI 1500 RC is gonna pull is around 15.4 or so, definitely not even into the 14's. An R/T CC should be running that stock with an auto. R/T RC Manual should be running mid-high 14's, so it doesn't surprise me you beat him. If you think our Dakotas eat a lot of HP in the drivetrain, the HEMI RAM's *REALLY* suck up that HP in the drivetrain.
Watch out for those Magnum R/T's though, I heard they'll run a high 13 stock, but I've only heard that from one source.
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Hurl
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7/31/2004
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Ram 1500 4x4 by any chance?
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JC
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7/31/2004
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Since when do dakota r/t's come with a manual?
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GraphiteDak
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7/31/2004
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Since when do dakota r/t's come with a manual?
When some "Ricer" bred hill billy throws a cool R/T decal onto it LOL! Just like the "4 door R/T" I saw last week!
Man. As if I didn't hate seeing Riced out sh*t box cars enough. There are some Dakota's in the hands of "RICE' bred idiots with a LOT of gay mods! Most are V6 Dak's tho with the V6 part broken off and some sort of "R" (racing) or fake R/T logo. It hurts my brain just looking at some of the stuff. The other day we saw a truck (Ford) that some idiot actually put one of those big CHROME fart cannons (like you see on the Honda's) onto the tail pipe! The muffler would be under the center of the truck. WHat kind of a moron would install a fart cannon onto the back of a truck?
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Sitedrifter
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8/02/2004
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Stock Dakota RT beating a RC HEMI 1500 2wd. NOT!
RC 2wd HEMI 1500s run in the 14s and sh1t, some quads can do it also. better check dtwtrucks.com before spouting spew, idiot. (ken)
Also, a manual RT.. What world do you live in Ken?
Any stock RT's in NJ ever want to run my SC HEMI 1500, we can do!
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Ken
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8/03/2004
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Site, why you gotta be a jackass? Just because your HEMI isn't as fast as you thought it would be?
Looking at that link, the ONLY HEMI RAM's I see running 14's are the ones that are modded, and seeing several that are running in the 15's. A RC Stock R/T WILL run mid-high 14's. At worst, it'll tie the HEMI Ram (again, stock vs stock). I know of several people that have taken a bone stock HEMI Ram to the track and are only able to pull low-mid 15's (Dakota owners).
Don't think I'm knocking the HEMI, I love the HEMI, but with that much power, the HEMI Ram is a disappointment in my book, too much drivetrain loss. Hell, take a Magnum R/T and smack that HEMI Ram around all day no problem. A 4.7L Dakota will stay with the HEMI Ram all day long, no problem.
R/T Manual = Brain fart :)
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8/03/2004
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I love em too but everyone thinks they are the king of the street. I have raced 2 hemi's one a Quad 4x4 and that was not even close but understandably so!, the other a RC 4x4, this guy really thought he had the sh1t going on the way he was flappin his lips. I smoked him pretty good, I was impressed though he wasn't that far behing maybe 4-5 lengths back up to 70mph. Now I realize both those trucks were 4x4s, but the owners of a hemi see an R/T or anything for that matter and they think its an easy kill because of all the hemi hype and then WACK! a slap in the face cause they got beat on.I am confident my 03 rc r/t will beat any stock ram hemi and as mentioned in an other post at worst TIE!!
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00 RT/BC
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8/03/2004
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All r/t's are magnums.
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Roger
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8/03/2004
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I've raced a Hemi 1500 and I beat him as well. I'm a lifted 4.7 4X4 (with a couple of mods ;)
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8/03/2004
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Guys,
I owned a 2002 4.7 club cab Dak and while it was quick, there is no comparison to my HEMI Ram. As far as RT Daks running in the 14s stock, plenty of places on this board that say otherwise. Seems like they are mid 15s stock.
Like I said, any stock RTs in NJ want to run? If I get my azz kicked, I would be more then happy to admit it.
One thing I personally know about Rams that show slow traps/speed at the track is because they spin the tires like mad which we all know causes slow times. Funny thing is on the street, the trucks grip like mad.
Anyway, if anyone wants to meet up, let me know.
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8/03/2004
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Oh and the 300C and Dodge magnum would spank my truck. A bit less HP but more torque and 1000 pounds lighter. No brainer.
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Ken
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8/03/2004
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Anytime ya want to run down here at VMP :-)
The R/T CC will run about a 15.4 in the 1/4 with a decent driver. I've said it in other threads, I've beaten a R/T CC with my 97 SLT 5.2 CC when it was running high 15's, and not just edging him out either. I easily had 2 car lengths by 45mph and was pulling away from him. I chalk it up to driver (not me being good, but him not being good at all, not knowing how to launch, not that I launched hard either, and we both knew we were going at the light). I've ran several R/T's at the track when we had a meet for the DML, and every last one of them were running 14's. Most of the mods any of 'em had were CAI and maybe a chip.
Was your 2002 an auto? If so, with being a cc, it was probably running mid 15's. The RC manual 4.7's will squeak into the 14's. They're all pretty close stock, most of the time when comparing the HEMI RAM 1500 vs R/T vs 4.7 (same trim, being RC 2wd, etc), it's going to be close. Just by me losing 40lbs could gain me an edge ;-)
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8/04/2004
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"Any stock RT's in NJ ever want to run my SC HEMI 1500, we can do!" I dont have an R/T, I have just a 318, minor mods, im from jersey, when we racing?
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Old Fool
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8/04/2004
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No Offense to the 1500 HEMI Rams, but they are Dogs, Capital 'D'. I run at 4,900' Elevation at PMI in Pueblo, CO. I see these things come in here regularly with owners with high expectations and see them leave so heart broken when S-10s with 4 bangers dog their times. Had one I thought should show pretty good, it was a Reg Cab 1500 2x4. Man was I disapointed to see what they really do. I ran it head up in Time/Only (after breaking outa my class) and when I crossed the line with my CC 4.7L, I was wondering if he had even found the gas pedal. It wasn't pretty at all. He left the track imidiatly and went home.
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ZenDak
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8/04/2004
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yep - never,,never had a hemi anything beat me on the street. I have an '01 CC 4.7 auto, and have spanked RC2wd,,and RC4wd's on several occassions. Only from a rolling start will they give me a run for the money,,,even then I pull them. My buddy owns a RC4wd,,and we work together, so there are plenty of parking lot dashes,,and side street racing.
Don't those things dyno like 250-260hp at the wheels? Losing almost 100hp through the driveline? What's up w/that?
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Ken
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8/04/2004
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Somewhere in that area, I seem to remember the drivetrain loss being in the 30-35% area, don't remember though, I don't have any hard numbers on that though, so don't hold me to it :-). Most Dakotas are in the 22-25% drivetrain loss. Like I said, they suck up a lot of that HP in the drivetrain. That, or the HP from the engine is greatly exagerated from ma Mopar.
30% drivetrain loss from 345HP would equal 241.5 RWHP (103.5HP loss)
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My 02 Dak was a 4.7 auto with 3:55 POSI
Like I said, it was quick but not fast as the Ram.
Oh and I can make any vehicle with any engine pizz all over my Ram so saying an S-10 4 banger embarassed the guy driving the HEMI means nothing.
A friend of mine put a chevy 350 with a 650 double pumper and 400 turbo trans in a Ford Ranger. The truck ran 11's in the 1/4 and was driven daily on the street. How many vettes he shamed is not countable. but again, you can make anything fast. Let's talk stock to stock. I have seen RTs run and run mid 15s. never saw a stock one run 14s but did see a heavily modded one (about 3K into it) run low 13s ans spinning the tires through the 60 ft run.
Again, I am not the only one looking for a run in NJ, so BRING IT ON ;^D
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Old Fool
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I understand you aren't the only one looking for us in 'Jersey'. Man I've seen what ya'll can do to a car there in less than 5 minutes. Tell you what scrounge around 'Jersey' and gather up the biggest bulk of your truck (enough to make it road worthy enough to make it to Texas) and I will travel from Colorado in My 'Not An R/T' and meet you in San Antonio and Run ya. See I'm in Colorado so I will have to travel as well. I think I can keep my truck in 1 piece in Texas, or Even like Tenessee or something. If you can't afford the trip just let me know, I will scedule something else to do for a weekend.
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TQ
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8/04/2004
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Ken the drivetrain loss on the hemi rams is only 20-25%
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Ken
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Just did some searching on the web here. Seems like most of the Hemi Ram's are dynoing 250-260 RWHP stock, maybe upper 260's with a catback. Did see one guy pull 274 RWHP with a K&N drop in and I think a stall converter. With a 25% drivetrain loss off what I figure the average RWHP on the Hemi Ram (260 RWHP), a 25% drivetrain loss would only equate to 325 HP at the flywheel. But hey, not bad for a full size :)
Dangit, hasn't anyone done an engine dyno on one of there??? :-)
Hey site, just curious (not saying you're wrong, just curious).. Is it possible your 4.7 was faster on the high end, but not as fast on the low end? Or have you actually ran both your 4.7 and HEMI at the track? Just curious cause the HEMI has a heck more torque then the 4.7 to help it launch better, but that weight is going to catch up on the high end.....
When I typically run a Dakota R/T, or even a Mustang 5.0, I'll match 'em or beat them off the line (beaten 3 different 5.0's off the line, 2 at the track during T&T), but around 45mph, I'll start falling behind. Just the lack of HP and weight on my end. Against a stock R/T CC, I'll match up good cause I have about the same HP and torque now.
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