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dhull
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I have a 99' 5.2L that uses tons of oil. 2 quarts in about 3 weeks!! My truck makes a hell-aish noise(sounds like valves rapin) on accelerating in 1st and 2nd and a big puff of smoke comes out the back. (reminds me of James Bond) tried different types of oil(val, castrol, mobil 1) but still does it. I have been parking in the same spot for three years now and there is not a drop underneath it. Please help, oil prices are not to low either.
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OldSchool
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7/08/2004
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sounds like its time for a new short block or rebuild. piston slap and / or rod knock.
oils or additives ain't gonna fix it.
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rtdkota
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7/08/2004
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Sounds like you have the classic belly pan gasket leak. You have a stock manifold, right?
If so-- take off the airhat, open the throttle blades and take a look inside with a flashlight... If you have more than just a light film of oil in the intake, your intake belly pan is leaking-- moderate to severe leaking can lead to pinging/detonation as you described.
You can replace the gasket, or throw on an M1 intake that doesn't use the belly pan gaskets. Check it out, and let me know what you find.
Sam
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Ken
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7/09/2004
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In concur with Sam, it's the belly pan gasket (sometimes called intake manifold gasket). Though I couldn't see oil inside the manifold, the shop told me I was leaking it out the backside? Anyway, replaced with an M1 intake manifold, oil leak was gone. Oh yeah, it was burning it that fast 2, about a quart a week or so.
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dhull
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7/12/2004
06:36:43
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Thanks for the info. Any tips on rebuilding my engine.
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Kowalski
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7/13/2004
15:45:35
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Why do you want to rebuild your engine ? If its the belly pan, you just replace that or eliminate it by going with the M1 intake.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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dhull
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7/14/2004
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I have been wanting to rebuild it for a long time now. I am looking for some info on what kit to get.
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Kowalski
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7/14/2004
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If you said why, you might gey better help. Is "wanting to" is a very good reason ? Needing to would be a better one; and there should be a reason you'd need to...
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dhull
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7/15/2004
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Kowalski, Does it really matter that much to you why I want to rebuild my engine? I guess the real reason is cause i want my truck to perform better? If this helps, I am looking to tare out my engine get it bored .030 over and other machine work done, and put in a performance rebuild kit in it. And when i come up with the money, a paxton sc. So if you have any info or advice for me it would be greatly appreciated.
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Kowalski
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7/15/2004
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Nope, it really doesn't matter to me at all; but with out that info no one knows wether your looking for a routine rebuild or a performance build up. With that attitude, you're on your own !
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dhull
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7/16/2004
08:52:45
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Thanks buddy, nice to know that you are there for me.
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AmsoilSponsor
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7/16/2004
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Maybe this helps .....
Dodge Oil Sludging Problem
Dodge Bulletin 09-05-00 dated February 25, 2000, addresses the replacement of the engine intake manifold plenum pan gasket in certain 3.9L, 5.2L and 5.9L gas engines to solve a problem with oil leakage. This is an internal leak, so many Dodge dealerships do not correctly diagnose the problem and have not honored warranty claims indicating that the owner of the truck is not properly maintaining the vehicle by not changing the oil. The oil will often sludge and oil consumption increases.
The internal leak in the manifold plenum pan gasket causes an additional vacuum source inside the engine at the location of the pan gasket leakage. Engine combustion blow-by gases, oil vapor, and air from the crank case filter/breather may be drawn past the leaking pan gasket and into the intake manifold. Two symptoms of this oil leak condition is spark knock during acceleration and/or an increase in the amount of engine oil consumed by the engine. Conventional oil will likely sludge, but you will still have oil consumption with AMSOIL as you will still have the blow-by.
Here is a list of those models involved in this recall:
1994-1999 (AB) Ram Van
1994-1999 (AN) Dakota
1994-1999 (BR/BE) Ram Truck
1998-1999 (DN) Durango
1994-1998 (ZJ) Grand Cherokee
1996-1998 (ZG) Grand Cherokee
The following is a link to the complete Technical Bulletin TSB 09-05-00:
http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2000/09-05-00.htm
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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Ken
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7/16/2004
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Note: There has been no evidence that I have ever heard of with the sludging problem. The TSB itself states NOTHING about sludging. The whole sludging argument is created by AMSOIL to help sell their product, saying that conventional oil will likely sludge.
If you don't do a rebuild, then just put on an M-1 intake manifold and be done with it. I had this exact problem, though I had no pinging and it was an external leak, but it was the manifold plenum gasket. M-1 intake manifold solved my problem. Before, I had used up like 3 quarts of oil in 2 weeks, so I needed a solution FAST!
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AmsoilSponsor
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7/20/2004
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I was not talking about sludging. This thread is about oil consumption and the TSB talked about an internal leak problem in certain 3.9L, 5.2L and 5.9L gasoline engines.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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STEVE CROW
Dodge Dakota
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THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH OIL SLUDGE IN THE ENGINE, MY 2002 4.7 JUST SEIZED WARRANTY DENIED DUE TO OIL SLUDGE, ALSO IN THE DURANGO. MY TRUCK WAS AWAYS SERVICED
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mcarthey
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9/15/2004
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I recently repaired my plenum pan, and I honestly can't say I recall seeing any oil smoke from the exhaust. I thought that a problem with smoke from the exhaust (especially upon startup) could be attributed to the rings?
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stephen
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i have a 97 dakota and i have all the simtons of the "belly pan gasket" leak. pings and dings and going through oil like mad. whats the cost of this project? ive never done this before and have no idea what it entails thanks for any help and yes i know this is an old tread maybe someone can help tho
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dakownr
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The cost depends on who does the labor and what route you decide to take in fixing the problem. If you are simply going to purchase the required gaskets for the job (intake plenum, intake manifold, and tb gaskets) and do the labor yourself, then the job will only cost you ~$30-50 for the gaskets. If you pay somebody for the labor, i would imagine that you would be in the hundreds of dollars.
Should you decide to fix the problem by purchasing an M1 or similar manifold, that part alone costs upwards of ~$600, I think. Plus labor costs if you pay someone to install it.
I would say that if you have any mechanical ability, and an assortment of wrenches and sockets, you should do the job yourself. Buy a haines manual to help you. If you do do this job yourself, do it on a weekend and take your time to label all the wires and plugs that you undo. All the plugs are different, but labeling them will make things go a little faster. On top of the massive cost savings, you will also learn alot about your engine in the process of replacing the gaskets yourself. This job isn't like falling off a log, nor does it only take 5 min, but it isn't too difficult and, like I said, you will save gobs of money!
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Boom
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