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EyeRip
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7/12/2004
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"Snake oil" is designed by a MLM company to spam and pump up market sales just to profit an army of middle men. While in the mean time putting down all other brands, claiming that they have the only mixture that works and that nobody els could possibly have their magic so you must buy from them.
Way back about 150yrs ago there were people just like this that would roll up in wagons and sell elixers and potions, now it's motor oil and vitamins via intrenet.
How can a "fighter pilot" be the ONLY person ever to develop a magic oil?
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7/12/2004
12:33:41
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I never referred to Justice Brothers as Snake Oil.
My Quote: "Justice Brothers (or JB) has been selling products for years. What do I know about their products? Do I think they are any good? Actually, I don't know. I haven't seen much evidence.
One of their claims is that they "condition the metal not the oil", and this seems strange to me, which would indicate that their additives are a barrier additive of sorts. Do their additives really condition metal? No. Nothing changes the metal."
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My comments regarding "Snake Oil" ...
Snake Oil?
The problem with additives (snake oil) is that adding such can adversly affect the oils existing additives blend.
The oil might have a small percentage of barrier additives, blended with the detergents, antioxidants, disperants, etc., ... all of which is blended in proper portion, allowing all of the additives to work together on the surface.
Now you (the police department) comes along, adds in extra barrier additives (like JB's) and it overtakes the surface area not allowing the other additives to work as intended, so then the base oil suffers from excessive oxidation due to antioxidants, deteregents, and dipersants not being able to do their job as intended.
Then add in the possiblity that some barrier additives become chemically corrosive when byproducts of nitration and blowby gases are introduced.
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I have made many posts here (search under Slick 50, zMax, MMO, Marvel Mystery Oil) regarding the HAZARDS of using any additives. There are a few good advantages to additives ... but VERY few. It's the fact that oil chemistry is a science and many hours and lots of $$$ goes into blending oil. To think that an additive maker can come out with something that works in improving the quality of an oil without disturbing the existing oil's chemistry is definitely not thinking about the long term consequences. Chemistry clash is a good reson not to mix differant oils and/or additives to achieve your own "homebrew".
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Never did I claim or can I be accused of, " ... putting down all other brands, claiming that they (we) have the only mixture that works and that nobody else's could possibly have their (our) magic so you must buy from them (us)."
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..... now ... KISS MY GRITS !!! ... and if YOU would like more information YOU can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking the following link. Or do you ... not have the guts to research and formulate your own opinions.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/12/2004
13:10:29
| Amsoil Multi-Level Marketing MLM Amzoil Ams Oil
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Amsoil Corporate Structure
Amsoil introduced the first synthetic motor oil with an API (American Petroleum Institute) Service Classification in 1972 (over 30 years ago). Since that time, Amsoil has varied and expanded its product line.
Amsoil is available in some stores -- mostly high performance speciality shops -- that lean more towards quality (for building performance and race engines, or an owner that appreciates superior products) than to a "price point" retail store (i.e. Walmart, etc.). I do know quite a few NAPA Stores that carry Amsoil (my cousin happens to own one).
In the beginning, Amsoil, being a small speciality oil manufacturer, could never compete with the big guys for shelf space. Shelf space at the big stores is not free --- you have to pay for every inch of shelf frontage that you use. (I used to work in Management for an Import Company so I know this to be fact).
So, Amsoil started as a Multi-Level Marketing company, also know as MLM, and once they decided upon this concept they could not change or 100's of Independent Dealers would loose their business.
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As for MLM's ... Well, again, there isn't anything wrong with this as most companies are a network of people that take the money from the bottom people who do the work and rolls it back up to the top, each level is getting their portion and usually the guy on top makes the most. This is common in any and every company. If most companies would follow such a program (performance based) you'd be surprised as to how many would really put an effort into really working instead of expecting that paycheck just for showing up.
That's the neat thing about MLM's, as it can offer the ones that work ... an unlimited amount of income based on their performance. Not everyone should be in a program such as this because many cannot focus on selling and are better suited as a production person (clock-in clock-out) and IMHO ... they DO deserve their share because if not for them there would be no product to sell. So, is MLM bad?, I don't think so. Every company is an MLM of sorts.
FOR THE RECORD, Amsoil was started over 30 years ago as an MLM because they did not have the advertising budgets to compete with the "big guys". I'm certain that if they were starting the company today ... what with easier access to capital (Venture Capital and the Stock Market) they might do it differently. However, they can't change their stripes now ... thousands of Amsoil Independent Representatives would loose their sole income or their second income ... and who says they want to. I think Amsoil is quite happy with 5% of the market that appreciates a superior product.
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EyeRip
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7/13/2004
14:01:02
| RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic?
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Yup... used car salesman
"I think Amsoil is a superior product."
You sound like a ford commercial
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EyeRip
Dodge Dakota
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7/13/2004
14:11:02
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I bet you have a "power tie" to go with that windbag cut and paste desktop you jocky so well at. MLM's have got a bad name for one reason only and thats complete bagering the public to buy there "superior products". And your the worst one I've seen from the oil side of the MLM companies.
You don't even use the products you sell WTF??
When are you going to buy a car for your very own?
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/13/2004
17:09:43
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The concept of MLM does not have a bad name and is now taught as a valid business model at the top Business Schools as part of their MBA Programs. For the record ... AMSOIL is a fine company. AMSOIL has NO complaints with the Better Business Bureau, and no complaints by the FTC ... after 32 years in existence. You will be hard pressed to find another oil compnay with as clean a record.
I use Amsoil 100% Synthetic SAE 5w-30. 5 quarts at $4.55 a quart.
A wise man once said .....
"If it appreciates in value, buy it."
"If it depreciates in value, lease it."
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/13/2004
17:12:02
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Oh yes, I forgot to answer one of your questions.
Answer: Power Tie, YES! ... along with Vintage Cuff Links!
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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EyeRip
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7/13/2004
18:50:23
| RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic?
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"If it depreciates in value, lease it."
Thats kind of like going to a casino and expecting to win. Somebody has to pay for the casino. They don't make money loosing their butts.
The MLM being recognized as a valid business in schools does not suprise me. They have to cover all forms of business or it wouldn't be a good school.
The BBB doesn't have any teeth so allot of folks don't even bother with them. Even if it did it doesn't have anything for sales approaches and thats all I have issues with.
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7/14/2004
06:30:19
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MBA lesson for the day ...
Business Finance 101: which I passed with an "A" in the 1980's:
When something appreciates, buy it.
When something depreciates, rent it.
Purchase vs. Rent (lease) Procurement Decision:
the basic recommendations of procurement and finance apply -
if something appreciates, buy it. If it depreciates, rent (or lease) it.
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Your comments regarding the curriculum at MBA Schools.
Sorry, not worthy of a reply.
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Sometimes you have to trust the source.
Amsoil has been in business for thirty-two (32) years and has never been accused of false advertising, found guilty of false advertising, fined for false advertising, etc. Every major motor oil company (usually hiding behind and offering such products as Prolong, STP, zMax, Slick 50, or MMO) has been either accused, found guilty, fined, or censured by the FTC. So has your favorite ... EXXON/Mobil.
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/14/2004
06:33:09
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Repeat for the hard headed:
Amsoil has been in business for thirty-two (32) years and has NEVER been accused of false advertising, found guilty of false advertising, fined for false advertising, etc. Every major motor oil company (usually hiding behind and offering such products as Prolong, STP, zMax, Slick 50, or MMO) has been either accused, found guilty, fined, or censured by the FTC ... including your favorite ... EXXON/Mobil.
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falconman
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7/14/2004
17:21:11
|  RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic?
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HEY!!! Lay off rip dude. i run amsoil in my 63 falcon wagon and i don't care what marketing they use.
since putting in amsoil, my compression is back up to 8:1 it doesn't smoke as much and it has lots more horsepower than it used too! (factory was about 85 in a 170 six.
so leave the poor guy alone (maybe i'll get a coupon for my next oil change)
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EyeRip
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7/14/2004
17:27:53
| RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic?
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Yeah And I bet it makes it fly like chitty chitty bang bang too. Have you tried to use it like wax? I'm dying to know how it works out for yeah.
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falconman
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7/14/2004
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EAT ME Rip (or is it drip?) it flies on the freeway now, and the smoke only comes from the draft tube being bent over my exhaust pipe.
next, i'm gonna put in an amsoil oil filter too, and i've ordered a catalog to see what else they make, I'm sold on amsoil.
and yes i do hope they make a wax kit, my paints a bit oxidized
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EyeRip
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7/15/2004
12:53:11
| RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic?
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Maybe you can order some penis pep pills while your at it... Amsiol sells that as well.
Hey... Maybe theres a connection.
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7/15/2004
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/16/2004
10:23:14
|  Amsoil Multi-Level Marketing MLM Amzoil Ams Oil
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Maybe this helps .....
Dodge Oil Sludging Problem / Internal Oil Leak
Dodge Bulletin 09-05-00 dated February 25, 2000, addresses the replacement of the engine intake manifold plenum pan gasket in certain 3.9L, 5.2L and 5.9L gas engines to solve a problem with oil leakage. This is an internal leak, so many Dodge dealerships do not correctly diagnose the problem and have not honored warranty claims indicating that the owner of the truck is not properly maintaining the vehicle by not changing the oil. The oil will often sludge and oil consumption increases.
The internal leak in the manifold plenum pan gasket causes an additional vacuum source inside the engine at the location of the pan gasket leakage. Engine combustion blow-by gases, oil vapor, and air from the crank case filter/breather may be drawn past the leaking pan gasket and into the intake manifold. Two symptoms of this oil leak condition is spark knock during acceleration and/or an increase in the amount of engine oil consumed by the engine. Conventional oil will likely sludge, but you will still have oil consumption with AMSOIL as you will still have the blow-by.
Here is a list of those models involved in this recall:
1994-1999 (AB) Ram Van
1994-1999 (AN) Dakota
1994-1999 (BR/BE) Ram Truck
1998-1999 (DN) Durango
1994-1998 (ZJ) Grand Cherokee
1996-1998 (ZG) Grand Cherokee
The following is a link to the complete Technical Bulletin TSB 09-05-00:
http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2000/09-05-00.htm
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7/16/2004
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EyeRip
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7/16/2004
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7/16/2004
22:29:21
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