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Andy
Dodge Dakota
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4/19/2004
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I'm currently interested and looking at an 89 Shelby Dakota. It has a Shelby HiPo kit on it... I'm not really sure what all that entails. Also, anyone know specs (1/4 mile, etc...) for a Shelby with the HiPo kit? any help is appreciated... and if there's anything I should know about this truck before I buy it, feel free to enlighten me...
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Andy
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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4/19/2004
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The stock Shelby was clocked at 16.4 at around 87 mph. 0-60 in the mid 8-sec. range. The hi-po kit was a kit sold by Mopar Performance that included the 360 TBI, and performance 360 computer. There was a template included to open the 318 intake to 360 size for the the larger throttle plates. The kit also included a low-restriction muffler (Flowmaster) and was said to be good for 20hp and 30 ft/lbs torque. Part # P4529979 for the sake of reference. This would put it at a low 16 in the quarter mile. The Shelbys had the original A500 tranny, and this is a weakness. Replace the tranny cooler with a larger one, and get a TransGo shift kit to help prolong life. I fried mine 7 times, always the overdrive (no towing involved). If you have it rebuilt, there are a couple of parts that have been updated for improved lube. The shift kit is the main thing in that it improves the overall function and lube tremendously. The A500 can be built to handle over 600hp, but it'll cost ya. If you would rather swap in a heavier tranny, the A518 will fit fine, but it's still a good idea to get that TransGo shift kit. Also, be sure to run ATF+3 or better tranny fluid.
Get to work now on locating replacement parts for the fan system. There should be commonly available components available nowadays, you may even consider replacing the noisy things with a modern Flex-a-lite fan.
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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4/19/2004
22:31:32
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Oh, and don't get scammed. Each Shelby started life as a V6 Dakota Sport, so all the other stuff is the same. No "special" brakes or anything like that. My dealer tried that once with me.
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01Motorsport
Dodge Dakota
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4/20/2004
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If some dude wants to write a book about Dakotas, I hope he seeks you out, gen1dak! (...IMHO).
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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4/21/2004
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;-)
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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4/21/2004
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Andy, the real beauty of the hi-po package is you now have enough room in the computer and TBI to add a cam in the 340HP range, as well as better exhaust, and better heads (get the 318's seriously reworked, or swap in the 360 LA heads and intake) without computer worries. Go further, and you will need to upgrade the computer and TBI, but that should keep you busy for a while.
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D. M. Johnson
Dodge Dakota
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5/06/2004
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I have an opportunity to purchase a 89 Shelby Dakota with minor problems. First off the feul pump needs to be replaced. Second of all, all the smog control (smog, egr system, ect.) has been removed. I wouldn't have a problem with putting the money in as long as it's worth it. It has 126000 miles on it and does not have the original 3 speed trans in it. I might add that I work for one the most respectable men in Kentucky in the Daimhler/ Chrysler world. I haven't told him that I was interested yet. And, I just want to get another opinion.
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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5/07/2004
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Is it worth it? What's your goal? Meaning...what's your definition of "worth it"? Also, Shelbys were all equipped with the A500 4-speed automatic/hi-stall torque converter/3.90 gear limited slip rear. No 3-speeds were used, nor were sticks. As for the missing pieces, use emissions equipment for the 1989 Dodge D150 pickup with 318. Chassis-related pieces are for the 1989 V6 Dakota Sport.
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jarrod
Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2004
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I own an 1989 Dakota Shelby #664. I am looking for a fan motor for the cooling system. Since mine burned up. Also you said flex-a-lite might have one. Would you know the part number? or have an idea what would replace the motor off another chrysler vehicle that might have the same set up.
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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6/07/2004
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Don't take this the wrong way, just trying to nail down some things. You do know there are two fans in there, right? The reason I ask is it's kinda unlikely that they'd both burn up at the same time. Perhaps it's the relay instead? I had my relay fry, but it fried in the "on" position, and they wouldn't shut off even with the key off. Only pulling the battery power would stop them. It took a week to get a replacement, but that was 10 years ago. Today, you can almost find fan relays in a box of Cracker Jacks. I never investigated this, however. At some point, later on, I needed a new radiator, so I modded with a different radiator and a flex fan. Anyway, I dunno. A good parts house may be able to offer alternative replacement parts. If I find out anything, I'll post here.
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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6/09/2004
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So I'm looking at my Shelby fan, and it's a BOSCH part. The part number sticker has suffered the ravages of time, but I believe I managed to decipher the numbers correctly... IPK 12V 0130 701 028. This sticker was on one fan. The other fan also had the same type sticker, but it's toast, though I believe it to be an identical tag.
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Dunk
Dodge Dakota
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11/30/2007
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I have a shelby dakota. I need to know if anyone would know where to get a computer for it? I will do anything to get my hands on one.
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1baddak
Dodge Dakota
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11/30/2007
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i dont know of anybody that can upgrade a computer for a shelby dak. if you know of someone that does please let me know.Ive been trying to find someone to do mine for a few years.They sold one of those hi pro kits on e-bay a few weeks ago. i think for over $700. they are rare.Ive been told the only diffferance between the shelby and the ram computer is the electric fan. is this right??
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Dunk
Dodge Dakota
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11/30/2007
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1baddak, i'm in the process of getting a hold of the shelby manufactors and see what I can come up with. I will keep you informed, as well as, everyone on this page.
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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12/01/2007
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The electric fan and the Shelby had more
ignition timing, requiring at least 91 octane
fuel. The electric fan issue isn't that big a deal
with all the aftermarket systems out there
now....unless you want to keep it OEM.
Otherwise, get an aftermarket setup. It'll be
quieter, and then you'll be able to use the
regular Dodge D150 318 computer and run
nicely on regular gas. Hey Dunk, see what you
can find out about the plans for the Shelby
Dakota turbo that was built as a prototype, but
never went into production. Shelby built one
around 1990, and it had a 360 with twin
turbos. I'd love to see the schematics on that
one.
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Vic
Dodge Dakota
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3/09/2008
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I have an 89 dakota Shelby I"m intrested in selling,
however I cannot find a web site for pricing. Can someone please help.
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Danpd66
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2008
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Depends on what kind of shape/mileage. Red or White? Send me some pictures Vic. Danpd66@aol.com
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street4life
Dodge Dakota
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3/25/2008
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with the crane hooker cam arms, do i want to use 1.6 or 1.7 or can i go higher, hydraulic or non, also, on friday(march292008) im going to have this guy install a edelbrock carb and intake manifold, i just installed a series 40 flowmaster and the truck has true dual exhaust and i unistalled the cat converters and replaced them with huge pipes, and the pipes are short, the flowmaster sits underneath my drivers seat(ouside of cab), this truck has no problem breathing,(sorry gen1dak, i went with the exhuast mods instead of the cams like we talked about) the truck apparently already has some sort of cam, but we wont know until we open everything up, newways, how much horsepower am i looking at with the carb and intake manifold? , on the arms do i use 1.7 or 1.5 or what,, thanx for any info
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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3/25/2008
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As stated....Crane Hooker? Sounds like BS to me.
Why would you change the rocker arms when you don't even know what sort of cam it has? Also, rocker arms are not hydraulic or "non". Cams are. Cam tappets are. Rocker arms are not. You're making the same mistakes so many do. You're spending money to get things done, having no idea what you're doing. (Nothing wrong with not knowing something. There's plenty wrong with being willfully ignorant). Remember, I did tell you to do the homework. You're going to be out a lot of money and have a hacked up, half-assed deal, and what will it be? "This trucks a piece of crap! I got ripped off!" You'll be half right. I know it's not what you wanna hear, and I hate sounding like an "adult" but there's no way around it. As it stands, you're having to put all your trust in other people, and you're paying them to do something you won't even know how to evaluate to see if it's done right. I hope it works out for you, but..... Look, I know how it is. You want everything yesterday. Nothing happens fast enough. I'm STILL that way. It sucks. You know what sucks worse? A broke down truck in the yard with a lotta money sunk into it and it still won't run, or, it will run (badly), and gets humiliated by anything that pulls up next to it. Reading and learning takes time...up front, but you save time and typically gobs of cash over the long run.
When upping the rocker ratio, you need to look at valve springs just as if you were changing cams. Usually you can go up about a tenth of a point in rocker ratio without too much issue, but even then, for best control of the valves, you should use high performance springs. If a stock (tired) valve spring breaks, (and I've seen it happen with a rebuilt mildly modded 318 (cam and 4V carb) that had shims under the stock springs to get them up to pressure specs for the bigger cam - the guy was trying to get by on the cheap) you're looking at big damage (major $$$) that could've been prevented with a $70 set of springs. It was an RV engine and he got all the way to the Rockies (from the MS Gulf Coast) before one spring broke, dropped the valve, and trashed the cylinder.....way up in the mountains. He had to be towed to civilization, the engine had to be torn down, the cylinder was sleeved, head, valves, and piston replaced, and then reassembled. Oh, and he used new matching valve springs after that. The repair bill was more than what the rig was worth (over 4 grand...back in 1983 for a 70's era small RV), not to mention having his vacation ruined. The springs, back then, were about $35 ($70 now), but hey, shims are cheap right? All that on a hard-working, but not high-revving engine that would never see much past 4,000rpm. And the shims were installed by a so-called reputable engine builder....but he did get the owner's permission. Owner didn't know any better, so he said do it.
It's your deal and you're gonna do what you want. That's all I can say on it.
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street4life
Dodge Dakota
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6/24/2008
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if you look at your previous post's youll see that youve been very very very very very negative, and yes some of the things have been helpful and i appreciate the time you took to write me back, however you kind of a jerk whom uses his vast knowledge of vehicles to be a fatherly dooshbag, you stressed me out when i didnt need to be stressed out, dude i got the truck running and took limited to none of your advice, whats that say at the end of the day? that your a negative person that makes situations worse that they appear to be, i was looking for someone to help walk me through this process, and when i posted something you were the first to tackle it, most the time being negative. lemme ask you this,, hows being a smartass being helpful? i just seen this last post you put up(look up) just today, and im like man, why is this guy brothering to write back when all he can do is be a jerk? and once again youll write back being a fatherly authorative figure saying i did it all wrong and payed to much money for too little, not really, but you see my point. btw i got the truck running great and ill be postin it on car domain for every one to see, the only thing i havent touched in the vehicle is installing headers and bore/stroke, the thing has come together nicely thanks to kreuger performance shop
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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6/24/2008
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You mistake my intentions. I told you straight up you had a lot to learn. Did you? No. You pai someone else to do it, which is what you do when you can't do it yourself. That's life. You wanna blame me for your lack of ability? You want someone to walk you through and hold your hand? Get over it. I'm not your daddy. So, now that it's running, an you have someone to hold your hand, and your wallet, good for you. I told you that's what would happen, one way or the other, you pay. Pay with time invested, or cash. That's life. Now you wanna cry about it? "Awwww, I only wanted to be held." What are you, a girl? Be sure to take it back to them (thanks to kreuger performance shop
) when you need to get work one on it. You obviously can't handle it yourself, and you can't handle reality when it's told to you. Case in point: Do you have any idea what they did, and can you work on it at the roadside in the dark? I'm thinking not. That's not Kreuger's fault. You're just not willing to learn, even read a section that tells you how to do something. You say I'm negative? Well, did you do it, or did you manage to get someone else to do it? The negative thing here, is that I was unfortunately dead on right about you.
Have fun with your truck, but don't break it unless you can afford to pay someone else to fix it.
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