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Steve calabro
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3/31/2004
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yep, the new daks are gonna get the hemim under the hood. cant wait till i see one of em on the road. Steve
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IntenseDak39
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3/31/2004
08:37:14
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source?
everything published is saying 3.7, 4.7 and 4.7 HO for now.
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aj
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2004
08:41:16
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ya, but that front grill. Needs a year or two to get it right.
I just traded in a 2002 for an 04.
Check this out, I took it home on the 13th of march. The dealership was suppose to put the new rims on my old tires and the didn't do it. They kept the rims and the tires and my spare on my old truck. They havent even detailed the truck the mats are still upsidedown with clear contact paper on the rugs. THANKS dodge for your great service. They had the truck last week all day and didn't do sh-it. I am afraid Chrysler service is going to force me over to Ford next time. Last summer it took 4 tries for them to get a cv boot on the right front of the 02, they are simply lame and stupid. I am not getting under a new truck to fix anything no matter what it is.
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sicminds
GenIII
3/31/2004
09:09:41
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aj, go bitch some where else.
click me
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aj
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2004
09:12:12
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that's not a bitch. It is a fact.
Lighten up, what's your problem.
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aj
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2004
09:12:58
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If I wanted to talk to a-holes I would go to the Yahoo message boards.
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Turkeyhead
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3/31/2004
09:32:25
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aj, why don't you just go somewhere else? Blaming Chrysler for bad service at one dealership is asinine. Plus, why would you trade an '02 in for an '04? It's not like it's obsolete.
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94DAKR/T
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2004
12:09:27
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Uhhhh...no they are not putting the Hemi in just yet..maybe next year...MAYBE..but not anytime soon. mike
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eddy
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2004
12:31:11
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I gotta agree with aj on this one, So far in my limited experience with my 04 Dodge dealer techs seem fairly incompetent and have a very limited ability to diagnose and fix problems properly, and the few they find they want to ignore until the warranty is up. They must all be deaf, blind, and lacking any sense of touch because unless your problem is out of warranty they can't seem to hear, feel, or see it no matter how obvious it is to you.
My Dodge dealer tried to send me away with warped brake rotors twice. First time they actually had me believing it was my imagination, as they test drove it, measured everything, then said it was all fine. But I went to my private mechanic anyway to double check and within the first 30 seconds of getting on the highway and feeling the steering wheel vibration on braking he told me I had warped rotors and it oculdn't be anything else.
Trip number two to dealer. They took a longer test drive on the highway this time, put it on the lift, measured everything, and tried to tell me it was all fine. Im getting irritated now because the lady behind the counter tells me everything's fine and she's looking at me like I'm some overimaginative nut who goes crazy about every tiny little noise the truck makes.
I finally tell her go get the tech to pull it back out, he's taking a ride with me in the passenger seat now.
I wait till he gets up to about 45, when he brakes I can actually see the wheel vibrate visibly from the driver's seat. I put my hand on it and dare him to tell me with a straight face he's not seeing and feeling the same thing I can. He makes some excuse about how the brakes weren't warm enough on the first drive for him to feel it, then goes and puts new rotors on.
IT felt great, walking back into the waiting room and telling the girl behind the counter who had been looking at me like I was hallucinating that I'd be there for another half hour or so while they gave me new rotors. She made some dumbass excuse too.
Then I got to sit there and commiserate with the some poor guy who paid 44K for a misaligned Ram which consequently chewed up two rear tires that the dealer was refusing to replace.
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WipLash
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3/31/2004
13:49:51
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Hate to break it to you guys, but the Ford and Chevy dealerships are worse than the Dodge dealerships. I went through the same frustrations you all are going through today back in the mid-90's. I switched to Ford then to Chevy and then back to Ford. I then decided I was better off with Dodge. Neither the Ford or Chevy products would hold up to the abuse I dished out. I had both of my Tauruses in the shop more than I drove them. Same for the Monte Carlo. I went back to driving Dodge in 2001. I do not regret coming back. I regret I ever left. Although, those Taurus SHO's were a BLAST to drive.
A major Ford Dealership had my SHO for 3 months. The battery went dead setting in their lot it was there for so long. I took it to 3 different dealerships and none of them could fix it.
Bottom line, quit bitching about the dealer service departments and do the work yourself or pay someone else to do it. The dealer will SCREW you over every time.
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eddy
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2004
15:30:09
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I WILL NOT quit bitching, and I refuse to do any work whatsoever on a vehicle that is still well withink warranty. They WILL NOT screw me every time because I know how to speak to them in a way that shows I didn't pay 24K so I could get my own hands dirty or pay my own mechanic out of pocket.
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RAMDAKOTA
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2004
16:18:57
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I haven't read any article that says the new Dakota will get the Hemi. I don't think it will either. The Durango got it because they made it heavier and it neeeded the extra power. I don't think they are going to increase the size of the Dakota because it might as well be a full-size then. The Durango is Dodge's only SUV and they thought they could make it more profitable going up against the larger models from other manufacturers. There is a posibility of some sort of special model like the R/T with a Hemi. But, until Toyota has 300hp Tacomas there is no reason for Chrysler to put that kind of power in the 4X4 Dakota. Which reminds me that you can get three hundred HP tacoma if you order the TRD supercharger kit. Which, I think goes for around $4000. That is nice since it doesn't void your warranty.
Also, I've never heard a good thing about chrysler dealers. But, I usually do my own work so I don't care. I can understand not wanting to work on a warrantied vehicle. There has been a lot of posts on this site that show they just want to get you out of the warranty period. But, it's true most dealers just want to screw you. I've got a million stories about that LMAO.
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deerridge
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3/31/2004
16:36:58
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I've been driving new cars since 1968 and have only had one dealer in that time worth killin after the sale was done. A Mazda/Ford dealer in Blacksburg, VA. The dealers all charge twice as much for half the service everywhere I've ever been. A good certified local mechanic can keep your warranty up and you can usually find a good compitent guy anywhere who really wants your business.
Real Horsepower
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00 RT/BC
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2004
17:00:35
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I dispute the claim that the Durango is Dodge's only SUV, DC has the entire lineup of Jeep SUV's I'd pretty much consider them Dodge SUV's.
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RAMDAKOTA
Dodge Dakota
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17:05:51
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Well, if you are going to include DC then you might as well throw in the ML and G class MBs. The Grand Cherokee does share some parts with Dakota though. But, that is just another reason for DC to move the Durango up a class since the Grand Cherokee isn't much smaller than the last Durango. HA HA someone always has to say something smart. Gotta love the web.
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00 RT/BC
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2004
17:11:51
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I say a lot for arguments sake, however I was hinting at the fact that the dakota and the Grand share some of the same parts.
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IntenseDak39
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3/31/2004
18:23:51
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either way you say it.. dodge only has one suv with their name on it.
The PT Cruiser, Neon, Stratus and Jeep all share the same 2.4 liter motor.. does that make a neon a jeep now?
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Steve calabro
Dodge Dakota
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4/01/2004
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here is where i got my info...my dad works at warren stamping in MI, right next to dodge truck(where many our trucks were made). the news right now is that the new dakotas WILL be getting the HEMI. im not sure if it wont happen till next year because that caould be, but they will definately be gettin 345hp soon. Steve
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Chet
Dodge Dakota
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4/01/2004
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You can keep 'em. First, after the way they LOOK, I'll never have one darken my driveway. A leaking anus would be a better sight in my opinion. Second, after all the hassles with a 5-speed manual transmission, the christmas-tree display of engine lights, and ball joint failures, I couldn't see shelling out for an inferior product. These things aren't cheap, so what ARE you getting for your money?
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RAMDAKOTA
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4/01/2004
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A rumour at a plant is not exactly gospel. But, it does give hope. IF they do it I think they will build a R/T type Dakota with a hemi. It will probably be a limited production model as well. You don't see Dodge even hinting at putting the SRT-10 truck engine in the 4X4 RAM. Ford hasn't put the Lightning engine in anything but the Lightning or the Cobra R Mustang.
The power to weight ratio for the SRT-10 is around 10lbs per HP. I believe that the C5 vette is just less than that at 9.5lbs per HP. 2003 Mustang 11.5lbs per HP. The R/T would have a 11.1lbs per HP ratio with the 345 hp HEMI. I got a weight of 3850 for the 5.9 R/T here
http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/pickup/163_0208_fun/index1.html
That article is not for the weak. The TRD Tacoma is a heavy contender against the american trucks.
So if the Hemi is put in the Dakota 4X4 it would have a power to weight ratio of 12.2lbs per HP. Just not likely that Dodge will make a 6 and a half second 0-60 4X4. Anyone notice they only put the 5.9 in the R/T, QC and Durango. The 5.9 only has 15-20 more HP. So only in heavier or performance based vehicles.
Just a side note: The 2003 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 V6 has a power to weight ratio of 17.5lbs per HP. The 2003 Dodge Dakota 4X4 has a Power to weight ratio of 18.3lbs per HP. The Dodge does have an advantage in the torque department, but not enough to over come the 700lb difference in the trucks. I just laugh when people here say how they can blow away all of the Japanese trucks. The numbers just don't bear that out. Or "Those little Jap trucks won't haul my 3500lb boat". I don't know, I guess some people don't want to understand MATH. I see there has been some heated discussions before about this topic. The Tacoma is a very respectable rig that Didn't have the room for me. But, They seem to have fewer problems.
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00 RT/BC
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4/01/2004
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RAMDAK you seem to make a lot of generalizations in the last paragraph. I really don't seem much evidence to conclude that any truck manufacturer has any fewer problems than another. The nature of most truck use almost certainly means that a truck will be pushed past or near it's limits in some time in its life.
I prefer to stake my argument in history, and I know that North American car manufacturers have been making trucks longer than Japanese manufacturers. Since there is an established pedigree of trucks in North America it makes sense to invest your money in something which has said pedigree.
Of course this is just based off of opinion and I don't have any more fact than you I just know what seems right to myself. I know the dakota is built well despite the fact that it may have some reliability issues which concern me very little.
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