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wuba
Dodge Dakota
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3/20/2004
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Who has the best flash for the 4.7. I am running a 03 w/5speed, H.O. cams and intake. Please don't tell me to search, I've tried.
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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3/21/2004
08:28:52
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Which 5 speed, auto or standard ?
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wuba
Dodge Dakota
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3/21/2004
11:48:05
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sorry, is a standard. How would a Kenne Bell work with my setup? Thanks
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GraphiteDak
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3/21/2004
12:40:09
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I wish Hypertech would make one for us '03 guys.
Better than sending in your PCM and be truck less for who knows how long!
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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3/21/2004
18:37:40
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You could see some gains with that or maybe B&G chrysler; don't know who's better - never seen how much either advances the ignition posted. I suspect the standards have more advance straight from the factory; I saw a big gain for my auto with the Leach flash that's only available for the '00. Another guy with a standard didn't think he saw as much; it depends on how much advance you have now - some will see drastic gains, some will see smaller.
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Waltherone
Dodge Dakota
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3/22/2004
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I had the "deathflash" from the dealer on my stock PCM, and was only getting 13 degrees timing at WOT. I got the B&G flash (through KRC) and they bumped it up to around 28 degrees. I dunno how much the other flashes advance it, but at least you have one hard number there now.
Hypertech doesn't make a programmer for ANY year 4.7
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wuba
Dodge Dakota
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3/22/2004
23:11:51
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Thanks Waltherone. Do you have a auto or standard and how did it affect your mpg.
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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3/23/2004
12:36:56
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Thanks, Waltherone - actually that's 2 #s now. That should be a pretty good flash then; almost as hot as the Leach flash at 29 degrees (only available for '00). Anyone with the ASE chip know how much advance they got from it ?
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stacy
Dodge Dakota
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3/24/2004
19:23:46
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Does anyone build a performance chip for the 4.7 liter? I would love to have the superchips system but they don't make it for the 4.7. Help.
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Waltherone
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3/24/2004
23:59:33
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I think a lot of people shun the piggy-back systems and go more toward reprogramming the stock piece (or an extra stock PCM they get their hands on)
My MPG didn't change much, it still sucks. Not sure why it is so bad but, my driving habit has much to do with it :P
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fastdak
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3/26/2004
00:00:51
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just saw this on a different forum. the superchip programmer for the 4.7l will be available sometime in may.
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Rob C
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3/26/2004
00:48:42
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It would be great to be able to custom program our PCMs but, what if you had a system that installs in minutes, gives you the ability to select several different power levels, even stock unmodified level of tuning, all from a dashboard mounted controller/powertrain monitor? Well, there's a company who's product I saw tested on the show "Trucks" this last Sunday on Spike TV that does just that. They tested a Chevy 6.6L Duramax Diesel pickup. They claim at level 5 the truck gets a up to a 150hp & 350 ft/lb increase by modifying signals to and from the PCM to adjust the injector timing and turbo boost among other powertrain functions to increase power and performance. The host on the show did the installation in about an hour, taking his time so he could show the viewers every step of the install. I know some of you are drooling so wipe your chins because there's one big catch. They currently only make the kits for Turbo-diesel powered GM, Ford and Dodge trucks and RVs but, I wrote a letter asking them to make kits for gasoline powered vehicles. Especially, Jeep and Dodge Magnum powered vehicles where there's a huge market for a product like this. GM and Ford owners have Hypertech or Superchips or other chips and programmers but, us Mopar owners are stuck with removing our PCMs and sending them out to be programmed. Not only does this leave our vehicle undriveable but, when we get the PCM back we're stuck with the custom program whether we like it or not.
Their sales manager replied back saying that they were considering producing performance kits for gasoline powered vehicles but, if they do, it'll be a future project for them to start.
It would take quite a bit of writing to explain how cool that kit worked on "Trucks" but, as an example, the 0-60 & 1/4 miles times improved by 2 seconds and 2.5 seconds respectively! Those are gigantic gains in performance on a large truck.
Anyway, I'm urging you to go to this website and drop them an email letting them know that you'd like to see them develop a kit for us soon and not sometime in the distant future. Here's the link:
http://www.edgeproducts.com/
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Rob C
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2004
15:30:07
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All you performance gearheads out there and not one person is interested in this idea? I know you can't be totally speechless.
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P
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3/27/2004
22:19:02
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Rob it is a good idea. BUT.....
Those gains are for turbo diesels. The gains on a our gas engines wouldn't even come close.
I REALLY like the idea of having the dash mounted control. BUT.....
It looks very expensive.
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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3/28/2004
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Most of us don't have turbos to adjust; so why would we be interested in that ? That diesel technology has been around for a while, nothing new...
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Rob C
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3/28/2004
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Oh come on, you've gotta use your heads. Of course, we don't have a turbo-diesel engine to run 20 psi of boost but, the novel concept is that you can modify the PCM programming quickly, without sending your PCM in to be flashed and you can adjust the programming from mild to wild or even stock. And all of this is controlled from the dashboard. Think of all the companies that do flash reprogramming. When they do the PCM reprogramming, they have to take into account what kind of octane gas your going to use, any mods and the fact that you're going to be using this program daily. Therefore, the program has to be very balanced. If you could adjust the programming, you would be able to choose the amount of power gain to the situation. Obviously, if you had to drive around with level 5 programming all the time you probably wouldn't find it suited to daily driving but, if you drove around with level 1 programming, under certain conditions you may feel that you didn't get your money's worth. What I'm suggesting is that most of us don't drive around thrashing our vehicles around 100% of the time so why would you want a program that is designed only for extreme performance gain. You might find out that on a road trip level 2 gets you the best mileage cruising on the interstate while in town the stop and go traffic is better for stock level. There's also weather variations to consider, you may find out that in cold weather level 5 works really well when you're driving around but, in the summer weather, you can't even use level 5 because you get too much detonation.
I don't know about you guys but, I'm not very satisfied with my current (stock) programming but, I'm hesitant to pull the PCM and send it out for reprogramming, only to find out that I have better performance but I have to run high octane fuel or the engine runs hotter so I have other problems or the flash results in worse gas mileage. What about emissions testing? Where I live, there's very strict emissions testing. If Edge products developed a system for us, it would be like having 6 PCMs that you could swap out with the press of a button. Think!
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Kowalski
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3/29/2004
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I thought long and hard, researched, and went for the flash. Our ignition advance is completely different from diesel technology that ignites simply by compression. No problems, great performance, and I only need to use premium fuel when towing.
Think ? Yup, think I'll use the great existing technology while you keep on wishing. Wish in one hand; crap in the other - see which one fills up faster.
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Rob C
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3/30/2004
01:23:38
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I'm sure Einstein couldn't have said it better. Wishing and crapping, what the hell does that mean? Kowalski, I'm sure that sounded profound when you typed it but, you aren't dealing only with 16 year old kids here. I don't know about you but, I crap everyday so, applying your wisdom, the crapping is going to happen first everytime.
For those of us that aren't talking out the side of our faces, I received an email from Edge Products stating that the gas powered kits may hit the market as early as later this year. I'm not quite as impatient as you and don't have to get all of my modifications done now, right this minute. I've got other mods I can do while I wait for Edge. If I don't see anything from them within a reasonable time period then, I'll consider the PCM flash.
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Kowalski
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3/30/2004
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Actually, I waited about a year; so don't assume I just jumped into it. If Edge comes up with a decent product that would be great; but my point was that diesel technology isn't aplicable to the 4.7. You seem to have the wishing metaphor "well in hand".
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Rob C
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3/30/2004
19:29:02
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Kowlaski, you're a funny guy but, I haven't been waiting a year. I also am very aware that our 4.7 isn't going to get the kind of dramatic gains as the Edge Turbo-diesel products did. However, as I stated earlier, if given the choice between a selectable PCM program and a set program, I'll take the selectable program everytime. How much HP did you gain from the flash? What if the guy flash programming your PCM only had one criteria on his mind, maximum horsepower? Don't you think that you'd have even more horsepower? Don't you think that you'd be be pretty unhappy with the program if you had to drive around with a vehicle that was programmed for max performance but, no thought was given to driveability, reliability, emissions or even comfort? Sometimes a vehicle that acelerates the quickest isn't always the easiest vehicle to live with day in and day out.
Anyway, I don't think there's anything in the world that's going to convince you of anything. You already had your PCM flashed, that last thing you want to hear is that there may be something else coming out soon, possibly better, only time will tell. Therefore, you're going to trash it as much as possible. That's fine, I understand where you're coming from, I just hope you do.
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alashaman
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3/30/2004
20:06:58
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Isnt this really just what Hypertech does, add a little duct tape and stick a hypertech on your dash and its the same thing. Now if they would only release one for the 4.7...
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