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Chris
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3/15/2002
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A buddy of mine has a 318 from 1967. He said it was completely rebuilt and I can have it if I want. Anybody know anything about them. I want to put it into my 98 reg cab sport. i currently have a v6 w an auto and 3.55 rear end. not sure which trans i have but am trying to find out. any suggestions. what do i need to buy or replace? i would like to stick with Fuel injection but will go carb if easier. Chris CWH12780@hotmail.com
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Brad
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You would have to go with a TBI system or stand alone fuel injection like the one from ACCEL. If you wanted the new SMPI system you would have to change the heads to fit the intake from the newer engines. You might be able to retrofit a older intake with the factory system but I'm sure that wouldn't be cheap.
I think sticking with the fuel injection would be wise but the carb would be easier. Don't know how emissions would work on that.
The V6 tranny shouldn't be too bad as long as you put a shift kit in it. It's the 42re. The 318's came with 44re's. Both are based on the a904 trans.
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Chris
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3/16/2002
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thanks for the info. chris
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MARK A
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3/16/2002
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OLD STYLE OR NEW , THE CANADIAN MAY NOT FIT ? ? ?
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Bill55AZ
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3/16/2002
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Don't do it !!!
Externally it may appear to be the same engine, but it is not. It may even bolt in to your mounts and up to your trans, but that is about it. If you want a V8, get one from the same year as your truck. The 5.2L is a new design and almost nothing from the 318 is exactly the same. If you want to use a carb instead of fuel injection, there is a manifold available for the 5.2L that will allow you to do that, but you will have linkage problems with your trans. The fuel injection manifold from a 98 will not fit the 67. I have been looking into putting a 5.2L Magnum V8 where a 318 now exists and have researched it a lot and still don't have all the answers, but what you are planning will be a ton of work compared to my project.
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Metalgreendak
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3/16/2002
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A 318 is a 5.2 and you can drop in the engine and a new tranny if you have to for less than a 5.2 318 will cost ya I have seen full engines with the harness and comp on Ebay for $500 but you have to have then shipped usually and that can cost a mint but thats just how I see it.
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Chris
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3/17/2002
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guess i will just wait till i get monney and do it the right way then. buy a 98 5.2 with everything. plus i just bought lowering springs last month for a v6 and dont want to do it all over again. thanks for the help. i got excited when my friend said free 318.
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bernd
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3/17/2002
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There are plenty of differences between the Magnum 5.2L (318) and the old 318's. The manifold bolts are the dead give-away as well as head design.
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Bill55AZ
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3/17/2002
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Yeah, that FREE thing can be very costly. Ever win a free vacation? Seems like I win one every other month. There are places on-line that detail the improvements of the 5.2L over the old 318, and from what I read the 5.2L is vastly improved in about every way. I like the "less likely to leak oil" improvements the best.
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BMac
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3/17/2002
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The first thing you will need is then engine mounts. The Mag has flush mounts, the '67 has lug mounts. Schumacker Industries makes them for $385.
The next thing you will need is the oil pan. My cousin has been trying to fit an '85 318 into his '88 Dak and found that the oil pans are different. If you find one to fit, let me know. and Good Luck
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MARK A
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3/17/2002
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??????? "1967" 318 /??????? who said magnum ?? 1967 had 2 diff physical sized 318 a US MODEL and a CANADIAN MODEL. THE LATER HAS A WIDER TOP END THAN 413-426-440 WEDGE HAS. HUGE MOTOR ,.
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MARK A
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3/17/2002
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??????? "1967" 318 /??????? who said magnum ?? 1967 had 2 diff physical sized 318 a US MODEL and a CANADIAN MODEL. THE LATER HAS A WIDER TOP END THAN 413-426-440 WEDGE HAS. HUGE MOTOR ,.
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BMac
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3/17/2002
10:16:49
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Hey Chris, Are we only talking about the SMALL block 318?
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Bill55AZ
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3/17/2002
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The current 318, or 5.2L magnum is 3rd generation. The first was considered a big block and I think it went out of use in 1967. The 2nd generation started out as a 273, then 318, 340, and 360. 3rd generation started in 92 or 94, I forget which and includes the 5.2L and 5.9L v8's. All that matters here is that trying to jump generations backwards, putting an old version small block in a newer truck, is more work than it is worth. Now if you have a friend with a high performance big block, such as a HEMI, that is different.
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scat pack
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3/18/2002
17:36:23
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The newer motor is the wiser choice but do you really want the 5.2 when for about the same money you could step up to the 5.9 ? That larger 318 was also available in U.S. vehicles, just used a year longer in Canada. It is called a poly 318 because of the polyspherical head design.
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samuel porter
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Can you put 318 heads on a 360 block with out any problems
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BMan
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yes you can but it lowers the compression ratio a bit. Just make sure they are the same type of engine, ie: Magnum - non-magnum
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samuel porter
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I have a 360 with 318 heads is this ok the motor after it warms up acks like its out of time
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BMan
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1/31/2004
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I built a 360 with 318 heads with the 302 casting # and it worked great. It had a Mopar 248/256 cam with 2" dual exhaust and a TQ 4bbl carb. We put it in my friends '85 Ramcharger with 35" tires and it was outstanding in performance. The only downfall was leaving the lifter galley plug out behind the distributor and running it for a short time trying to figure out why the oil pressure went away after it warmed up.
Tune up your engine and do a timing check.
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gen1dak
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2/01/2004
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318 heads on a 360. Yeah, that's great? Just imagine how it'd run if it wasn't castrated....which it is with the small intake port 318 and small valves.
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jdb
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2/01/2004
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I have a 67 Plymouth Belvedere with a 318 it is a LA stlye motor not a A style. The 67 has a closed chamber style of cylinder head that has a different cylinder volume than any other LA style of cylinder head. Other than that it flows about the same as any other 318 head. This is a 230 gross hp engine (about 150 net hp) This engine will have lower compression that any other 318 if you use any heads other than what came on the motor. The cam is a .390" lift intake and exhaust that is different than any other 318s. These heads don't have unleaded fuel compatable valve seats. Don't use this motor! A modern magnum 318 has 230 Net hp (92 and above)and has the proper motor mount bolt holes and the bolt holes for the crankshaft position sensor.
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