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01NHWJ
Dodge Dakota
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10/15/2003
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Hi!
Coming over from JeepsUnlimited. I've been reading about all the success stories about the HO cams being installed on rather stock 4.7L's. Lot's of great info on this site. So I've decided to give it a go and install them cams on my 01 Jeep Grand with 68mm Fastman TB, FIPK/RamIT and 3" catback.
And with all those installs, anyone willing to sell the Wedge tool (#8350) and the Spanner Wrench/Adapter (#6958 & #8346) for a much reduced price? Just so you'd get a little bit back.
Thanks in advance.
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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10/16/2003
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| RE: 4.7L H.O cam install tools
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You might find someone to sell you what you want, but many of us made our own wedges and found ways around needing the special tools. If you do a search here on "4.7 HO cams" you'll learn a lot.
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TexasTodd
Dodge Dakota
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10/16/2003
17:58:37
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Spanner wrench, for what?
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Rob C
Dodge Dakota
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10/17/2003
01:21:14
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You don't need no stinking spanner wrench! The wedge tool doesn't cost that much, just buy it from the guys that sell you your cams. If you're working on a Jeep GC don't waste your time pulling the A/C compressor or the oil fill tube. You only need to pry the fill tube slightly to get access to the one bolt. I used empty egg cartons to keep bolts and other small removed parts in order. It helps to have a marker and labeling supplies handy. You might want to paint the front of the cam dowel pins with white paint, it'll make it so much easier to see them when you're trying to line them up with the sprocket. It also helps to have an impact wrench handy to break the bolt loose on the cam sprocket. Remove the left camshaft cover first. That way you can use the starter to jog the engine to the get the cams in the correct position before you disconnect the battery. Finally, many of the connectors you will encounter have locks on them, make sure you move them to the unlocked position and then press the release. I'm telling you this because it doesn't take much to break those locking mechanisms. Good luck with your upgrade!
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01NHWJ
Dodge Dakota
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10/17/2003
08:40:55
| RE: 4.7L H.O cam install tools
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Thanks everyone for the reply.
I ordered the cams and the wedge tool yesterday from BuyMopar. These are excellent tips as well as the other tips I found on this forum. Though we (the Dakotas and Jeep GC) have the same engine, I realized the engine compartment are slightly different between the two.
As for the spanner wrench, I was only coming off of the FSM as being a once-in-a-while backyard mechanic, I figured it would be easier with the spanner wrench when torqueing the cam sprocket bolt. Guess I can just hold the engine steady (on the crankshaft bolt?) when tightening the sprocket bolt.
Again, many thanks for the help.
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terry
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10/17/2003
13:59:01
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YES THATS HOW YOU DO IT THE HARDEST PART IS TAKEING OFF THE VALVE COVERS. Make sure when you get the cams the longer cam is on the passenger side.
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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10/17/2003
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That would work, have a plow frame blocking acces to that and just held cams with big set of waterpump pliers. Be careful not to stress the indexing pin on the cam sprockets.
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GraphiteDak
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10/18/2003
15:11:16
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I've heard of there being a copy of the cam installation instruction somewhere.
Can I download this somewhere?
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Rob C
Dodge Dakota
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10/18/2003
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I can't remember where I donwloaded mine but, here's one place to. You may have to click the "save page as" option under your file menu.
http://www.buymopar.com/store/engine/47cam.pdf
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01NHWJ
Dodge Dakota
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10/18/2003
21:56:20
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Still awaiting the cams to arrive and am reading more about the install.
Ran into the part of the FSM where it says "When the camshaft is removed, the rocker arms may slide downwards .......". Any tips to ensure the rockers arms don't slide down?
Also, what's the size of the nut on the crankshaft? The one that's on the harmonic balancer.
Many thanks again. I'm hoping to install the cams next week so I apologize for all these questions.
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Rob C
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10/18/2003
23:25:36
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Just put any rocker arm back in place if it moves. They won't really move unless you bump them but, if you do it's easy to tell when you have it back in place because it kinda detents or snaps in position. Just check all of the rocker arms before you tighten the bearing cap bolts. I used a large craftsman easy grip set of pliers and some padding between the teeth and the camshaft so I wouldn't gouge the metal when tightening the camshaft bolts. I think large vise grips might work too. Hint: I went to Checkers and bought a $3.99 oiler (small oil can that pumps oil through a flexible nozzle) it makes it so much easier to direct fresh oil where you want it in a controlled manner. You'll want to liberally oil the cams and bearing caps as well as "priming" the camshaft before reassembly.
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TexasTodd
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10/19/2003
23:49:53
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"prime the camshaft"?
Sounds good, although lubing the journals well, and letting it crank awhile so it 'primes' it itself, seemed to work for me.
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Rob C
Dodge Dakota
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10/20/2003
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I knew I'd catch a bit of flak about the term priming but, that's why I put it in quotation marks. I was referring to lubricating all critical surfaces well and squirting generous amounts of oil in the passages. I thought I could convey this idea by simply using one word, "priming". Unfortunately someone has taken exception to my doing so. I didn't think there any danger of someone ruining their engine by misunderstanding what I was saying. I guess you can't please everyone. On some older engines with oil pump driveshafts coming off the bottom of the distributor, you could hookup a drill to it (especially on Fords) and get the entire engine primed before you started it. This was really helpful after a rebuild and the engine was extra tight.
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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10/20/2003
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I'm with you Todd; save the $3.99 and just pour a little oil on the lobes, there's an oil return in the heads anyway. Priming a fresh motor as Rob mentions wasn't particular to Fords, works well with the Mopars too. We're just talking about changing the cams here, not setting up a new motor.
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Rob C
Dodge Dakota
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10/20/2003
19:33:54
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Yeah 01NHWJ save $3.99! I must apologize for making you lose all that sleep thinking about where the heck you're going to come up with the extra $3.99 you hadn't budgeted for. What's wrong with you people? I didn't say the cam change can't be done without buying the oiler. It was merely a suggestion! I think 01NHWJ can think for himself. Kowalski:"We're just talking about changing the cams here, not setting up a new motor."
I don't know what the heck you're talking about? If there was an easy way to prime the camshafts prior to cranking the engine would you not do it because "you don't want to unnecessarily prime the whole engine when we're just doing a camshaft change not the whole motor!"
Has this forum been reduced to people scrutinizing other peoples posts instead of offering useful information? Was there anything in my post that was incorrect, could cause damage or unnecessarily cause anyone to spend huge amounts of money?
Sad thing is that while yourself tooting your horn trying to make yourself seem wiser by denigrating what others post, there may be people coming to this site to get help or advice and they read these bickering comments and either get confused or ignore all this information, not knowing who to believe.
Having done the camshaft replacement I thought I'd offer some tips. Apparently you think it's more useful to attack me than to offer credible information.
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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10/21/2003
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Whatever... I'll just take that with a grain of salt considering you're the same knuckle head that thinks crankcase vapors increase performance on another thread here. I think people will be able to sort this out for themselves.
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GraphiteDak
GenIII
10/22/2003
00:18:58
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Thanks for the link to that PDF instructions with illustrations. That will help a LOT when it comes to swapping my cams.
Sounds a lot easier than swapping cams in old school engines. As long as the tensioner don't slip anyway!
Should be a piece of cake. Gotta wait a few months after x-mas and the kids b-days to get mine. But I'll post pics when I do.
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Home Brewed Cold Air Intake, Flowmaster 40 series, Modified TPS to .72VDC, Modified IAT. 160° T-Stat.
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Rob C
Dodge Dakota
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10/23/2003
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"Whatever" Kowalski, did you think of that all by yourself or did you get some tips from a 12 year old girl. And I see since you can't think of anything intelligent to say, you've taken to lying about me. I never said anything about crankcase vapors increasing performance. If that's was you got out my posts, you really do need some help and should refrain from giving out advice.
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01NHWJ
Dodge Dakota
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10/24/2003
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Thanks to all for the excellent information.
I've received everything from BuyMopar and am ready to install them tomorrow.
I'm pretty sure, based on this forum's feedback, that I'll definitely notice a difference.
My Jeep WJ will finally be an HO Cam'd 4.7L (hehehe, I think that's the politically correct term)
Regards,
~francis
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mike j eddy
Dodge Dakota
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7/29/2009
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what is part # for tool to remove rocker arm to replace vavle adjusters
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GerrickDohert
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7/29/2009
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i like vapor.
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