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Martin
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10/11/2003
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I'm looking at improving my MPG. All the talk about the air intake modification seem to increase performance. What has it done for MPG?
Are there better chips for MPG?
I put about 150 miles on my truck each day. With the price of gas it is today I need help.
2001 - 4.7 automatic Quadcab 50,150 miles.
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Martin
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10/11/2003
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Martin,
Fuel economy can be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge. Once again, it has been proven by AMSOIL INC. through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations and as witnessed by most of our customers, that switching to synthetic oils and lubricants can (and does) improve fuel economy (mpg).
Also, you did not mention what oil viscosity that you are currently using. Depending upon your driving habits, conditions, and climate ... switching viscosities can improve fuel economy also.
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Also Martin, This topic has been discussed many times on this website. Do a search (on this site) for "Better MPG", "Fuel Economy", Etc., and I think you will find what you are looking for.
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10/11/2003
14:20:44
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I decided to add something.
What with gasoline prices skyrocketing ... we are all concerned about getting the best MPG that we can ... without switching to a Hybrid Vehicle and giving up our trucks.
Fuel economy can be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge.
If you fill up at a warmer part of the day one week compared to the previous week you can sometimes see a huge fluctuation in MPG just based on that.
Also, the pump may have stopped pumping sooner this week compared to last, making it "seem" like you used less gallons of fuel.
Also, I've observed a MPG increase when switching grades (5w-30 compared to 10w-40).
In conclusion, switching to synthetics (in most cases) does lead to an increase of MPG.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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01Motorsport
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10/11/2003
20:20:41
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Correct tire pressure is one of the most overlooked factors in MPG. My K&N homebrew intake gave me almost 1 mpg improvement. You need a low restriction exhaust to gain the benefit. '01 RC 4.7 5-spd. 3:92
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Martin
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10/12/2003
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Thank you for the information on the oil and tire pressure. Any experience with the air intakes? Or chips?
Martin
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.boB
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10/14/2003
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I used the Hypertech programmer a couple weeks ago. Along with improved performance I gained 2-3 mpg across the range. At $1.60 a gallon that will help some.
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Hopkins
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10/14/2003
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I was just bored, and i do not have a dakota...but my brother used a tornado fuel saver in his 95 firehawk, and he added 9 horsepower and he saved 3 mpg. He spent 60 dollars on it, but it didn't take much time for it to make that back, so if you're driving 150 miles a day, it's worth looking into.
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gen1dak
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10/15/2003
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Anything you can do to free up the choke points will help. You're on the right track with better intake and exhaust. The programming on the computers is pretty generic. Optimizing will reap great rewards, as mentioned by .boB. Often, it's hard to justify the added costs of synthetic oil relative to the savings in gas. Either way, it's gotta be changed at 3000 miles, no matter how slippery it is. You can actually gain performance, which translates to greater efficiency (better mileage) with a modest cam upgrade. All this compliments free-flowing exhaust, etc.
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TwoDaks
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10/16/2003
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gen1dak
I see you still believe the quickie lube advertisments. My Dakota Manual DOES NOT state 3 k mile oil changes. My "imported" car suggests oil changes at 10k miles using synthetic oil. When stationed in europe my car owners manual stated 12.5 k mile oil changes using synthetic.
Time to step into the 21st century. We ain't using your daddy's oil anymore.
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JES
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10/16/2003
07:21:09
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Your manual doesn't state 3,000 mile intervals for oil changes? Mine certainly does - right there in black and white (no matter what kind of oil you use); and you'll be damn sure the dealer will be asking for receipts and records if anything ever goes wrong with the engine internals. If you're comfortable throwing away your warranty, I suppose you could change your oil whenever you please -- I'll stick with 3,000 miles.
Eric
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Doug4.7
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10/16/2003
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I've read enough posts on this site to believe that most dealers WILL use the "oil not changed at correct interval" for almost any engine related problem. It may be bogus, but it is the truth. I've also read where people DID change their oil at 3k intervals and the dealer still pulled the "oil not changed at correct interval" card since the person could not PROVE they changed the oil every 3k miles. Receipts were NOT enough. Yes it sucks, but money is money.
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Doug4.7
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10/16/2003
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I was also told by the local Dodge Service Rep that adding a bypass filter system would VOID my 7-70 warranty. Again bogus, but what can you do? Lawyers cost big bucks and your truck will wear out before the suit is settled.
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PistolPete
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10/16/2003
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Dealer told me K&N setup would also
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gen1dak
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10/16/2003
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Regarding oil change intervals. The 3000 mile interval isn't bogus as far as the requirement goes. It is bogus for dealers to use it as an excuse. As I'd said before, no matter how good the oil is, it's the level of contamination that accumulates as a by-product of combustion that's the real problem. Oil may be better now than "daddy's oil" was long ago, but it can only absorb so much garbage before it must be changed. The oil may be able to endure 10,000 miles before it loses molecular structure, but in the meantime you're also circulating an increasing level of acids, etc. This weakens the metal and promotes wear. It's just that simple.
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TwoDaks
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10/16/2003
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gen1dak
Then why are vehicles in Europe using 10 - 15k intervals?
Their oil standards are higher than in the USA.
API is a minimum requirement and that is all manufacturers in america care about ... minimums. 3k mile oil changes puts many $$$$ in their pockets.
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gen1dak
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10/16/2003
15:48:42
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Okay, let me rephrase. The way I drive, at 3k, my oil needs to be changed. One look says it all. My grandmother could get away with longer intervals. No insult intended, just drawing examples. I have no doubt that there's a whole big scam in the deal to feed oil companies. Why else would we still have vehicles getting 15mpg? I very seldom actually change my oil at 3k due to time constraints. I got into a situation a while back when I was meeting myself on the highway, so oil was just something I topped off at best. When I finally got around to changing it, the stuff was a lot closer to crude oil, and would barely drain from the pan!
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Sesquash
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10/21/2003
17:27:08
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Yeppers...that's the first tact they will try because they get such static from D-C when a warranty claim for internal engine parts are submitted.
The BEST and in my view--ONLY way to combat and totally negate the 'you-did-not-follow-the-manu-recommended-oil-change-interval-----IS, to ONLY change your oil at a certified D/C dealer! Make sure you created a warranty portfolio and keep ALL your receipts/work-orders. Armed with that, there can be no wallowing about your compliance as regards prompt and timely oil changes if a warranty claim is made on your behalf.
Don't screw with your warranty! Change the oil at ONLY a Chrysler/Dodge dealer.
If they still refuse you, take all your receipts to the lawyer of your choice and have him take that to court to sue their asses off for your stress, due to warranty denial, out-of-pocket expenses, and the lawyer/client costs...
...trust me...you'll win from any judge if you have D/C DEALER work-orders clearly showing the oil changes with filter and the KM's/miles shown
Don't screw with the 3,000 mile/5,000 mile oil change interval, while any part of your drive-train is under a form of warranty. You only put bullets in their denial-gun....
Cheers!
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Sesquash
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10/21/2003
17:29:41
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That 3000 mile/5000 mile should have been:
3000 mile/5000 KM
Thanks!
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