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jdllizard
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9/06/2003
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I'm switching to Mobile 1 oil and am wondering what is the usual interval between oil changes. Is it the same as the owners manual suggests? or will it run longer like the Amsoil claims to? Amsoil is not available in my area, in case your wondering.
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Yellow99RT
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9/06/2003
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I use Mobil 1, I still do my changes at 3K, though the oil looks cleaner when removed than the regular oil. Never had a problem with Mobil 1. I have heard you can put more miles on the synthetic oils.
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vipergg
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9/06/2003
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If it is still under warranty you better stick to 3000 miles because if something fails you know CC will not back it if regular scheduled maintence has not been done , if it's not you can probably safely go 5000 mile intervals on synthetic without any problem .
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Kindig
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9/06/2003
19:44:01
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I use Mobil 1 and I go 4,000 miles b-4 I change it. My 01 Dak is still under warranty.
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9/06/2003
20:15:21
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jdllizard (and everyone),
Mobil1 is a good oil. I have never discredited Mobil1 on this site. Mobil1 has the appropriate additive base to be easily changed at 5,000 mile intervals (under NORMAL driving conditions). You did not tell us what Dakota you own, or what mechanical condition ... so here is our advice. Look in the owners manual if you want and go by the manufacturers recommendations.
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NOTE #1 : Manufacturers must take into consideration that you MIGHT be using 69 cent ( .69 ) per quart no-name or generic "crap" when they make their Owners Manual recommendations. They are always going to try to cover their butts. That is why they publish such a low number in the Owners Manual. Understand ? Mobil1 can EASILY go 5,000 miles under NORMAL driving conditions.
Note #2 : Intervals are beginning to edge up in this country because owners are demanding it. Oil change intervals in Europe are between 12,000 & 15,000 miles ... of course this is with ACEA (European) Certified Oils ... which are better than most API (American) Certified Oils.
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The Mobil1 sold in Europe is better than the Mobil1 sold in America. Why ?? Two reasons ... Because Americans are sold on the MYTH of 3,000 mile changes ... and companies like Mobil1 can't sell their "best" formulation for $18 a jug at Walmart. "lower" QUALITY & "lower" PRICE. Their best formulation (ACEA Certified European) would be priced at between $8 - $12 quart in America ... right up there with oils like Schaeffers & Amsoil which excede European ACEA Standards.
That is the only thing that really annoys me about Mobil1 ... they sell a lesser product here than they sell in Europe. Why ??? Are we not worthy of their BEST formulation?
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Redline, in a recently released press release, stated that some synthetic motor oils (without mentioning Amsoil) can IN FACT be used for extended oil change intervals up to 25,000 miles and perhaps beyond ... though they recommend that you don't try it with their synthetics. Thank You Redline !!!
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Now a word from Amsoil :
Though Amsoil advertises 25,000 - 35,000 mile oil change intervals, it is recommended only after establishing that your particular engine (along with your driving environment and driving habits) can do so with the guidance of Used Oil Analysis. HOWEVER ... Amsoil states that you can certainly extend your oil change intervals to 2 - 3 times manufacturers recommendation.
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Repeat (for the flamers)
I stated earlier : Mobil1 is a good oil. I have never discredited Mobil1 on this site. Mobil1 has the appropriate additive base to be easily changed at 5,000 mile intervals (under NORMAL driving conditions).
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jdllizard
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9/06/2003
20:51:27
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Hey Steve, I went to the Amsoil web site and asked for a catalog, I also gave them your name as the dealer who sent me there. After looking all over town for a dealer I decided it is just to hard to find Amsoil here in Lincoln, NE. There was one guy listed in the phone book who sells it out of his house but he's hard to get ahold of, I'd rather not have to jump through hoops to find the stuff when I need it. It is for ease of finding it that I decided on Mobile one. I did find K&N oil filters at Advanced Auto Parts (Mobile 1 Oil filters were nowhere to be found), I wasnt sure I would find K&N either. As for my truck It is a 1999 Dakota 4X4 Sport 5.2L Auto, Ext.Cab, with 43K miles. I have a 3" cat back exhaust, a Superchips reprogrammer and soon to add a K&N FIPK. Whats this about the Amsoil air filters? do the make a kit similar to the K&N FIPK? I thought I read something about them here.
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Matthew
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9/06/2003
21:40:17
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Steve says "Manufacturers must take into consideration that you MIGHT be using 69 cent ( .69 ) per quart no-name or generic "crap" when they make their Owners Manual recommendations."
Well, I change my "crap" every 3500 miles, give or take 1000 miles, and my last truck had 412,000 miles on it when I gave it to my son to drive. My last 2 cars were still running fine with over 200K when I sold them full of "crap".
My new Dakota is full of "crap" and no reason it won't last forever.
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Jizzler
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9/06/2003
23:08:04
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Yeah! Who needs the enviroment anyway?
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Deno24
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9/06/2003
23:21:35
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i change mi Mobil1 every 6 months or 6k.
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H2002
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9/07/2003
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I use mobil1 in my Dodge/Cummins, and my wife's gasoline Dakota.
For those with Cummins Dodges in warranty it would be wise to check the FAQ on the Dodge Ram link at the Cummins website.
Cummins mentions K&N specifically and states that DC and Cummins regard highflow filters like the K&N a due to inadequate filtration leading to piston scoring.
Thought u guys might like to know.
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H2002
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9/07/2003
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Repeat. I guess since I uses < > it did not print. So here goes again:
"DC and Cummins regard highflow filters like the K&N a < no-no > due to inadequate filtration leading to piston scoring".
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GharlieG
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Yes H2002,
The Cummins website Dodge link has specific reference to high air flow filters, namely K&N filters in the FAQ. Cummins states that their experience is that such filters, like the K&N filter, allow enough stuff through to score pistons.
Just a caution for the cautious. No remarks about airflow, simply piston scoring.
Although Cummins doesn't warrant the Dodge Cummins, they say in the FAQ that DC and Cummins do not allow such filters.
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TomTT
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9/07/2003
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Matthew, Steve said <<< no-name or generic "crap" >>> ... not a household name that you might find on sale or liquidation.
I live in Southern Texas and at some of the dirt road repair shops I see illegally imported <<< from across the border >>> oils not approved for use in American Cars and Trucks. They are selling it in cans for .59 a quart <<< poured only on location >>> and they won't let you take any home ---- I guess they are afraid you will turn them into the Feds.
This is purey "crap".
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Dufus
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10/09/2003
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I have just switched to Mobile 1 oil. I have a 1999 Mitsubishi Lancer and was wondering how many miles I should or can go before I change the oil?
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Mobilized
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10/09/2003
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Any motor oil from a reputable retailer (including Walmart) that has the API SL service rating would not be considered crap (at least by American standards) BTW, I don't like Mobile 1 oil, I prefer Mobil 1.
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Doug4.7
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10/09/2003
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I read somewhere (on this site?) that the only real way to extend the drain interval is to use one of those bypass oil filter systems. The oil does not go bad over 3000 miles, you just get the small contaminant particles in the oil that a full flow oil filter just does not filter. So you change the oil to get rid of the wear causing contaminates, not to get rid of bad oil. A bypass filter, on the other hand, effectively filters all size contaminate particles and so your oil stays clean.
BTW, when I talked to the Dodge service people about bypass oil systems, they told me any such system would void my warranty even if I kept at a 3000 mile oild change interval.
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RedWolf
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11/16/2003
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Nice Amsoil saleman BS. I had a 4x4 87 toyota that i ran on conventional oil, changed every 5k to 300k miles and sold it running fine. My 95 Dakota 4x4 has 200k miles on it, been running mobil 1 with 10k intervals, doesnt leak a drop, no sludge inside whatsoever. I dont think i would ever keep oil in a truck or car for 25k miles. Maybe the oil lasts, but what about particles that get by your air filter, and foreign particles?? The oil may last, through without breaking down to bad, but i just dont think its wise. Like i said, conventional at 3k, or mobil 1 at 10k max, Ive never had a leak, burn off, or any major damage or oil consumption yet.
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Anthony
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11/16/2003
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I talked to mobil 1 about oil change intervals they say and I quote "Mobil recommends that you take the oil and filter to the high limit that is stated in your owner's manual or once a year which ever comes first."
I'm changing my oil every 7500 miles and oil filter changes at 3750 miles.
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RedWolf
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Thats a good way to go by it also. Im sure that if i changed the filter once between my 10k interval i would have a much longer lasting engine, but, my 4x4's body is usually shot by the time the engines around 300k and the trucks 10 years old, so im usually ready for a new one anyway.
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11/17/2003
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There is a lot of debate regarding extended interval oil change, dino vs. synthetic, Brand "X" vs. Brand "Y", proper filtration, etc., ... including here at DodgeDakotas.com, so I will post this information as an "FYI".
AMSOIL has 30 years of oil analysis data showing their oils provide extended interval drain service capabilities. Big oil companies can't argue with that data or explain it away. They would prefer that you "buy into the myth" of 3k mile oil changes because it adds profits to their bottom line.
It is true that the additives in many oils begin breaking down after only a few thousand miles. What needs to be recognized is that there are different qualities or “grades” of additives just as there are different qualities or "grades" of just about any other product that you buy. There are also different combinations of additives that tend to work better ...and for longer periods ...when combined ... than when they are used individually.
AMSOIL offers extended drain intervals because the oil and additive packake is properly balanced, blended, and capable of performing for extended drains.
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Redline FINALLY confirms Synthetic Oil Extended Drains. Amsoil has confirmed and marketed this for 30 years.
Redline's new information per their website:
"Red Line Synthetic oils have been shown to last 25,000 miles in field tests; however we recommend shorter drain intervals in order to provide a margin of safety with the oil. We recommend draining the oil between 12,000 and 18,000 miles depending on the type of service and the degree of blow-by gases contaminating the oil. High-speed freeway driving is easy on the oil due to its excellent thermal stability. If the engine is worn and if considerable stop-and-go driving is involved, 10,000-12,000 mile drains are suggested. A good rule of thumb to follow is to change the oil at least once a year regardless the mileage. Manufacturers warranty requirements should be followed while under warranty. Filters can be changed every 5,000 to 7,500 miles in order to assure filter durability is not a problem." ... etc., etc.
HOWEVER, Redline advises customers against using extended drains intervals with their oils.
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NOW ... the entire industry is moving in that direction. It has been published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future (it already is a recommendation in Europe, but don't forget their ACEA Certification is a lot stronger than API's (minimum) Certification here in the USA).
ALL EUROPEAN OILS ARE CERTIFIED TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN WHAT YOU FIND "on-the-shelf" IN AMERICA. Note: AMSOIL Synthetic Oil surpasses the North American AAMA, Japanese JASO and European ACEA oil specifications for high temperature/high shear viscosity protection.
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I try to be very clear when talking about extended drains. 10,000 mile oil change is absolutely possible. Up to a 25,000 mile interval is possible under certain conditions, but please read further for additional information. But the KEY here is that --- The 3,000 mile recommendation is overkill, especially with superior synthetic oils.
I know it's hard to believe, but there are a few things that I would like to clarify. Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months).
However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE *****: Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven.
Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions.
Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) --- Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals.
*** Note: On the back of the Amsoil bottle, and in their literature, Amsoil states that you can extend your oil change interval up to 2-3 times the manufacturers recommendation. If you are going to be driving 25,000 miles and/or 1 year (whichever comes first) between oil changes (changing the filter at 6 months or 12,500 miles), you should perform a UOA to determine if your engine (along with your driving conditions) are suitable for extended drain. Otherwise, you can certainly extend your drains 2-3 times longer than stated in your owners manual.
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kj
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I've heard many complaints that it is hard to find an Amsoil dealer. When I first started using it I just ordered from the Amsoil homepage. Had to pay a few bucks for shipping that's all.
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