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dodgeguy
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2/24/2002
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Hey there fellow gear heads! I've got a 1993 Dakota CC LE that I want to make into a nice (and VERY fast)street machine. I was wondering if any of you would know if a 383 or 440 would fit under the hood of the '93 Dakota?? I know these two engines are physically bigger in dimensions than the 318 or 360, but I'm really wondering if the bigger engines will fit the frame rails? Any KNOWLEDGBLE help would be much appreciated.
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kota on 20s
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2/24/2002
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i saw a 440 in a 00 QC, but i dont know if the engine bay is bigger than the gen 2's
if they are the same, it will fit.
actually, now that i think of it, he might have cut some of the fender wells out
Eric
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4.7dak
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2002
12:54:09
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what about a gen 3??
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SuperBeeDak
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2002
21:26:04
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Currently I have a '93 with a 440 in it...it isn't running yet (got some suspension and driveline stuff to do yet. But the engine will fit. Go to engine-swap.com and they'll even sell you motor mounts for the 440...piece of cake
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Cuda and Kota
Dodge Dakota
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2/26/2002
13:34:02
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Give Schumaker Creative services (206)364-7151 a call. They sell conversion mounts that will allow you to put a B or even R/B into your Dakota. I believe they run about $385 for the kit. They also sell conversion kits to bolt in an A-727.
Brandon
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Viper6
Dodge Dakota
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2/26/2002
14:20:03
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get a 360 and stroke it to 440....
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Viper6
Dodge Dakota
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2/26/2002
16:58:46
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I"m sorry, 408....
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dodgefan09
Dodge Dakota
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4/22/2004
00:22:29
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I have a 440 in my 1990 dakota extra cab. Bought the kit from schumakers. Fits like a factory job.
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Dak440
Dodge Dakota
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4/26/2004
23:19:22
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the 440 is the best route, i have a 91 dakota with a 440. thing is a beast, climbs a steep hill in 3rd like it's a down hill slope. gotta love torque. an svt may get you off the line, but he'll pay dearly for it down the road.
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justin
Dodge Dakota
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5/07/2004
15:08:27
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i plan on doing the same on a gen-1 dak if i can find one for sale only im tacking the 392hemi out of my drag car and want to put it in the dak.
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93DakSport
Dodge Dakota
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5/10/2004
20:02:09
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Muwhahahaha! Exelent! Where i live there's a whole but of guys who have slaped 350's in there s-10's. I only have the v6 mag. That gives me an idea...the first ever Dakota Sport 6-Pack 440 :)
But right now i have another project. I have a 1966 Dodge D-100 series half-ton pickup i'm working on Rest/Rodding. She's getting a well built 440...it'll shut those chevy guys up for awhile.
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Sephiroth
Dodge Dakota
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5/10/2004
22:14:14
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With the 440, would I need a new tranny to bolt it up properly, or anything else major? Also, what is the mileage decrease with the 440? This sounds really cool, and having experience with both Gen2 and Gen3, I know the Gen2 has more room in the engine-compartment. I'd like to look into this myself if I can get an idea of the plusses and minuses.
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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5/11/2004
15:52:51
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The big blocks use a different transmission bell house - won't bolt up to a small block tranny.
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Sephiroth
Dodge Dakota
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5/11/2004
20:43:20
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So I'd need a new tranny and the engine with computer. How about the transfer case (I have 4x4s) or anything else? I am REALLY excited about this kind of a mod because that is a helluva lot of power for a Dak! That and some chrome would make my truck complete. Well, I'd probably see if I could stroke it to a 460. My grandfather once had a Ford F250 full-size with a 460. Damn thing was nothing but power. I would love that kind of HP in my smaller truck :D!
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Sephiroth
Dodge Dakota
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5/12/2004
10:46:20
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I also just thought of something major to me. Will I have to remove the front drive-train to seat this much larger engine? If so, would bigger shocks and such (lift it about 3") help? I won't get rid of 4wd, but if I can get a 440 AND keep my 4wd system, that would be ownage!
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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5/12/2004
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You could get very good power and not be nose heavy or need a different tranny if you go with a 360 stroked to 408. 460 is not a size the 440 is usually stroked to and 440s can easily be built to make as much power as Ford's 460 (even a built 460) - I wouldn't get too caught up in matching Ford's cubes.
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IntenseDak39
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5/12/2004
17:12:30
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big blocks dont weigh that much. The 400 block weighs only about 60-70 lbs more than a 360. Replace some of the iron with aluminum and you got it set. And i believe the 440 weighs only about 100 lbs more than a 360.
just some ideas, going from an iron intake manifold to a single plane aluminum would drop about 30-40 lbs right off the bat. Replace the water pump and housing with aluminum and you lose another 15 lbs. Replace the heads with edies and you lose about another 60-70. Doesnt take much.
And with those heads, the right intake and cam, your power would be way out of the 408's league on a 440.
6.6 Lt. Big Block, 727 TF shift kit, 452 heads, edelbrock 750 cfm, .513/.513 284/300 crower cam, comp cams springs, comp cams pushrods, 1.5 roller rockers, dp intake, mopar ignition, mopar windage tray, dual exhaust w/ 40 series flowmasters, 4.10 gears, coilover drag suspension, approx, 3500 lbs
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93DakSport
Dodge Dakota
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5/12/2004
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Hmmm...what about going with a manual for the 440? I was thinking a Jerico 5sp (considering horse power, below 500 horses, i'd go with a Richmond five speed). Also, is there a way to lighten the truck itself and still keep it streetable (by DOT saftey standards)? I know if you get alot of aluminum in the engine compartment thats some droppage, but what about other areas? Or is it better to just lighten up the engine compartment, so that you have more weight transfer to the back rear axel (and providing you have a good gripping rear axel) to get the best start off the line and continue your lead with the 440's raw power?
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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5/12/2004
20:57:16
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Stick with the lighter front. Glass hood. You need all you can get in the rear.
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Sephiroth
Dodge Dakota
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5/12/2004
23:07:59
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Well it's settled then. I may not stroke it to 460, but I will now be saving for a 440 and tranny. Also saving for lighter manifolds, and a nice big 14x3 open-element air-intake for it. May go true duals through series 70 Flowmasters with thsi bigger engine. I bet it'd sound AWESOME!
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IntenseDak39
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5/13/2004
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man, just get a 400 block and stick a 4" stroker crank in it. 472 ci of whoop ass that would send that 460 back to momma.
and you can go much bigger than that if you wanted to.
6.6 Lt. Big Block, 727 TF shift kit, 452 heads, edelbrock 750 cfm, .513/.513 284/300 crower cam, comp cams springs, comp cams pushrods, 1.5 roller rockers, dp intake, mopar ignition, mopar windage tray, dual exhaust w/ 40 series flowmasters, 4.10 gears, coilover drag suspension, approx, 3500 lbs
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