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4.7man
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7/31/2003
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I was wondering when there going to get rid of those 5.9 outdated motors. my 4.7 will smoke. any 5.9 anyday.
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dcxer
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7/31/2003
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5.9L is gone.2003 is the last year.Outdated?...wonder why all those Nascar boys are running a very close knock off of the 5.9L? And all those former Pro-stock Mopar trucks and IHRA and NHRA Super Stockers too.Must be real outdated.Do your homework!
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03QuadDak
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7/31/2003
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Yeah really, lighten up on the 5.9.
I have a 4.7 and love it, but it is very sad to see the 318 and 360 go...they were great engines.
The 3.9 on the other hand, I don't think many of us will miss it. Had one in my first Dakota and hated it after about a year, good thing it was used and cheap enough that I didn't lose out much when I sold it and used the $$$ for my new one.
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gotanRT
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7/31/2003
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how many 5.9 guys besides me talk crap about the 4.7?...nobody...why do all you 4.7 guys have a problem with the 360?...if it was that bad then dodge wouldnt have kept it for 4562345 years...
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whoops
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7/31/2003
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wow 5.9 is outdated!! lol
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CThomp
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7/31/2003
09:53:42
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I like the 5.9L...only reason I didn't get an r/t is because of the tow capacity and the automatic tranny.
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Timberwolf
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7/31/2003
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I personally feel a sense of pride owning a motor that got it's start in the 50's ('99 318). Don't think of it as outdated, just coming to the end of it's life like anything else. The platform that the 318/360 are built on is one of the most enduring and reliable ever. Sure things change, but why dog the old motor just because it has been replaced. Something tells me that the 4.7 won't be around in 2045, so watch what you say.
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MikeD
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7/31/2003
13:22:36
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Only reason they're ousting the 5.9 is emissions...all these little environtmentalists w/ their save the air by not driving around in your gas guzzlers.
Pretty soon your precious 4.7 will be replaced w/ a hybrid that runs off a battery cell & solar power.
~Mike~
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APS Precision
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7/31/2003
14:37:27
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No Replacement for Displacement!... 4.7L is just too small... And you forgot that with that 4.7L comes one of the worst transmissions ever!... Also a 413 CID version can be made from a stock block 5.9L... The same can't be said for the 4.7L you would bore right into the water jackets!... The 4.7L is a natural progression in design but it’s not revolution... Besides the 5.0L mustangs would easily waste the 4.6L replacements... So again the 5.0 9-Sec 1/4 mile capable cars had its roots right back to the 1963 260 CID in a Ford Falcon... So don’t discount the old that would be a giant mistake on your part
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Billy
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7/31/2003
14:58:30
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The 4.7 guys are all stuck in the 14's N/A. I'm
one of them. We can get by the lightly moded
5.9's, but that's about it.
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4XDAK
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dcxer, are you sure about the Dodge Nascar motor ? I think about all they have in common are 8 cyl and the cam in the block. I may be wrong but from what I remember when Dodge decided to get back into Nascar they had to design an all new engine, the 360 did not have the durability and since the engine would need so much redesigh a new purpose built engine was born.
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JOELS RIDE
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7/31/2003
19:42:35
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Look we are all out dated, I have a 95 5.2L 5 speed 392, I cant wate for the hemi dak. Then all of us will run and hide. Can you see stock hp at 345 or the new hemi at 405hp in a dakota . even the guys that are blowen will hide.
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ItIsOutdated
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7/31/2003
20:36:04
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don't kid yourselves. the 5.9 is outdated. i'm not bashing it, just facts. it is inefficient and pollutes more than just about any other engine out there. i like the engine though. all these new engines get better mpg and are smoother running, but the torque and horsepower numbers suffer as a result. by this i mean they need to rev up too much before the power kicks in. the chevy's don't have any power until you get to 3000rpm and top out a 4000rpm for tq and like 5200rpm for hp.
the 318 and 360's are awesome engines, but outdated.
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gotanRT
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7/31/2003
20:39:17
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Nascar engines are all similar in displacement...you could say the chevy block is almost a 350, but its not the same design and same with the 360...i dont think they're made out of cast iron either...
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Art
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7/31/2003
20:55:07
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Guys, I have a 99 R/T, love it - BUT - I'm with the guys, the 360 is outdated.
I have a 99 Corvette too (had a 91 Corvette befor that). The difference in the engines is amazing!! Both are 5.7 (350ci), but the new car is WAY faster - has WAY more power.
So, I'd bet the new 4.7 (or whatever) will soon have more power, run better, have less emmissions, etc. Same for the Ford 5.0 vs 4.6, yada, yada, yada.
You just gotta go with the flow.
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LTU Dak
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7/31/2003
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i like to think of my 99 318cid as "seasoned" hehe. 5.2L to me is the best combo of torque/HP. 4.7 is smooth but is evolving toward the ricer crowd, ya know, starting to lose the american muscle theme. trying to make power with revs. 4.7L is a good engine, but the 5.2/5.9 is my personal preference and i'm only 19.
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4XDAK
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7/31/2003
22:15:49
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Nascar engines are limited to 358 ci. on restrictor plate engines they have a minimum size that I do not recall at this time. The blocks are cast iron, high nickel content and aluminum heads. The Chevy and Ford were direct descendents of the street engines where as Dodge was designed for racing and adapted for street use. The heads and blocks have to be available from the dealer parts counters. Before you flame out the heads for most teams are made from billet and each has there own tricks, but a head with the approved port shape, spacing, valve angle etc. is available over the counter.
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snyper
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7/31/2003
23:32:59
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APS Precision... this is NO way the older mustangs stock 5.0s will beat the newer 4.6s stock... i dont know where ppl pull this out of their @$$ from but just because the displacement is smaller doesnt mean its slower... the motor redlines at 6500 or 7000 rpm and makes 260 HP and 302 ft lbs compared to the 5.0s 235. I can't STAND when ppl say that!
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dcxer
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8/01/2003
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I did say that the Nascar engines are "knock offs" not 5.9L's Yes,they are special pieces made to race but they are based on the old LA engine family.The older race blocks were identical to the LA except for main size and pushrod angle.They are available thru every Mopar perf dealer in the country!They have envolved away from the older ones in many ways.Still bracket racers and Super Stock cars run production pieces.Guys the point is this the 5.9L is a fine engine, old yes but capable.It was time to update(you would not believe how media driven these things are).It doesn't mean it is junk and bad.If anyone cares to check the 4.7L is not a new design either, yes to new DC but other than the fuel injection and electronics it's really 40's technology too.European car makers used the overhead cam back in the thirties.Actually the pushrod motors were designed a little later.Check your history,we here were way behind design wise.We had flatheads in our cars and trucks until the 50's.Both designs have merit pushrod and overhead cam.If you notice when Chevy redesigned their small block they didn't bother with overhead cams,they just improved the pushrod engine,(very moparish too BTW)refined it a bit more.4.7L's and other OHC engines run so well because of the great flowing cyl heads. No pushrods in the way, more stable valve train.They rev higher again for the same reasons.But they cost more to make and torque can be a problem.Also a company has just released their Hemi heads(yes real ones) for the 5.2-5.9L's, that should keep em running for a while..HAHA
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lord chuckles
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8/01/2003
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yeah, but how long does it take for your peak torque and horespower to kick in in a 4.7. horsepower isnt everything, i beat hondas that have way more hp than my dak, and i only have 175 hp (89 shelby dakota, pre magnum 318) i bet the 5.0's and the 4.7 would be a good match though..
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punkjeebs
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8/01/2003
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It's a dark... dark day for the Dakotas. Well i'm mixed on this. I'm 17 w/a 97 that's been through a fender bender and I can tell ya right now not a single problem with my 5.2L 318. Honestly I love rollin up @ the local wendys or on the weekends ricers paradise... hearing all those damn buzzin-bee-bulls$^& mufflers. then takin my rpms only to say 4K and show them what some real muscle sounds like.
On the other hand we're on a path to a cleaner, and in the long run more efficent 4.7L. No one likes to see the neighborhood giant move out but give the 4.7 some time to mature and I'm positive it'll prove itself. Plus it pollutes less, gets better mpg, just has some kinks that need worked out.
To be honest with this news I don't wana let my 5.2 go. I'll drive it into the ground and then make tunnels with it. It's treated me well so as long as I repay the favor... I have a feelin our 318 & 360's will be around for a long time to come. DODGE 4 LIFE
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A.H. DIEMKR
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8/01/2003
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4.7' are ok, very stout with there bed-plated mains, but you will never see the after market or M.P. cator to it like they have the LA's. It is not, nor ever will be the top horse in the stable. The LA's have been around for years, building Mopars reputation as a high performance mark. So it Gets the most development. From the days of the 340 6bbl to 77-78 when the B&RB's were axed, output& durability have been top notch. When brand X garbage 454's and 460's were sub 200 bhp, the 360 was 245-250. Yes, the new Hemi is now GOD ALMIGHTY and the LA's have recieved the cout 'de taut, but the 4.7 is already on the s@#t end of the r&d stick. I bought my '02 R.C. Dak R/T because I wanted to MAKE it go fast. Sorry, with copious quantities of fual&fire, praise the internal combustion gods, THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT!
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ZZ
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8/01/2003
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The old 5.9 will outpull the 4.7 any day. Low end torque is what counts in a truck engine. Plus, the simple design of the 5.9 means lower repair bills long term.
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Demon Dakota
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8/01/2003
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You can't really compare the 4.7L and the 5.9L anyway. That's apples to oranges. The 4.7L is a direct comparison to the 5.2L (318), and that's it! Now, the 5.5L (stroked 4.7L) is the correct engine to compare to the 5.9L, and the 5.5L has more HP, TQ, better mileage, and way less emissions. If the 5.5L "kit" was mass imported, or purchased from the German company that makes it (by Mopar), then we'd have a different story to talk about. But Mopar went a different route and built up the 5.7L HEMI instead. The 5.7L is vastly superior to the 5.9L it replaces, and that is also a correct comparison.
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eric
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8/02/2003
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i can understand your point of view but you're obviously a young guy or haven't been 2 many dragstrips. out of curiosity, what are ALUMINUM engine performance parts 4 this ohc engine? i'd be surprised if they were cheaper than 5.2 or 5.9 cast iron parts! let me know please. by the way, i'm 26 yrs of age
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