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Opie
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6/26/2003
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I have a 98 Dak with 133,000 on it. I bought the vehicle with 120,000 on it. I switched over to CASTROL SYNTEC and a PUREONE filter. I was wondering if it is worth the effort or if I should just switch to regular CASTROL for higher mileage engines. I change the oil regularly. I was just wondering if it was worth the money or not. ALSO, anyone used that RESTORE additive that you put into your engine oil and it increases HP????? Please Advise
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AmsoilSponsor
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6/26/2003
06:13:14
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Opie, I can appreciate your concern when buying a used vehicle of any mileage. You ask yourself "How well was it maintained?, What products did they use?, How has it been driven?, etc.
Do you have the prior owners service records. What was he using? How frequent were his service entervals?, etc. I am not here to convince you to switch to Amsoil. Your current setup is fine for now and I would not switch to a "high mileage" oil. They are IMHO gimmicks and marketing ideas, since they are simply thicker oils more ester's for seal swelling, but again IMHO ... not enough to make a difference even if your seals were leaking.
Regarding Restore: Here is some information from a May 27th, 1980 Patent:
"..relates to a lubricant additive comprising a mixture of minute shpherical copper and lead particles suspended in various lubricant bases depending on application. The minute spherical metal particles are presented to friction surfaces where they reduce friction by functioning as tiny ball bearings or platelets. In addition to heat and pressure, the metal particles, particularly the copper particles, will plate on high wear areas where base metal has been removed by wear. The additive has been found to substancially reduce friction and wear between relatively moving parts...The particle size of the lead and copper may be as high as 15um to 20um in diameter...The ratios of copper to lead or lead to copper vary depending on (1) heat transfer requirements, (2) coating, (3) filling of pores and voids. The ratio of total mixed weight of mixed metal powder to the base carrier is from about 1/2 to 3oz of base carrier..."
Notice the directions say "SHAKE WELL before use." If they say that, it's full of solids! I would certainly hesitate using it (actually I would not use it ... period) but the choice is always yours.
Hope this helps.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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RobertG
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6/26/2003
09:21:51
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The tiny ball bearings design theory is laughable. Internal combustion engines are lubricated by a film of oil between the moving metal parts, such as between piston skirt and cylinder wall, or pressurized oil between bearing insert and journal. At no time should metal contact metal. How is lead and copper going to 'bond' to dissimilar metals such as aluminum pistons or babbit overlay bearing shells? I can't see how introducting large amounts of nonferrous soft metals into lubricating oil can be a good thing. Now I don't know the minimum size particle an oil filter will filter out, but seems to me this stuff would either get hung in the filter or pass thru and do little for the engine.
Now to be fair, many oil companies use very small amounts of Zinc in their oil. The Zinc cushions metal-to-metal contact during cold start up and other cases where very short-term metal-to-metal contact happens. It doesn't "build up" anything, it helps reduce the amount of wear in the first place. Most name-brand dino oils are high quality and well designed. Regular oil changes are all thats needed to keep a healthy engine healthy, no majic additives needed.
The synthetic oil is for special racing applications or for street engines that are poorly maintained (irregular oil changes) by the current owner. Some users claim that synthetic oils stopped oil consumption or helped with MPG, but its often case-by-case basis. I've used Castrol in my engines and have had very good luck.
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NoNoNoi
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6/26/2003
10:38:00
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I put Restore into the same catagory as $199 MAACO paint jobs-- usually reserved for geriatric cases.
------------ No Additives
------------ No Snake Oil
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Doug
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6/26/2003
10:41:52
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I have used Restore in the past, one thing that I noticed is that because the product is a dark blue when it mixed with the oil it made the oil turn kind of a weird yellow , even after changing the oil 2 times after adding restore the oil still looked weird, so I guess you can say the product stayed in there for the most part even after changing the oil, I didn't notice any changes in performance/fuel economy so I stopped using it. I learned my lesson, just stay away from the additive's section at the auto parts store. Repeat ... stay away.
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jp2001dak
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6/26/2003
10:54:01
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"Restore", in a silver can w/black & red & white lettering. Says "Engine Restorer & Lubricant" in white letters on black band. You can see that it has "powdered metal" (some sort of copper/lead/? compound) that's claimed to help fill in scratches, etc in cylinder walls. I don't ever recall seeing any claims for cleaning or increasing HP. Is this the product you are referring to?
If this is the product, use at your own risk.
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kj
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6/28/2003
02:19:47
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You should make the switch. $5 per quart for regular oil is way too much to pay. If you want to spend money at least get a legitimate synthetic and not a group 3 imposter like you are using now.
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Don1959
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6/28/2003
09:45:18
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If you look at the specs for Castrol's Group 3 Syntec (if you can get Castrol to give them to you), you will see that this oil is "crap" when compared to any other 100% synthetic sold on the market. Castrol is NOT a TRUE Synthetic.
I wouldn't even be thinking about using Syntec at my next oil change. For about the same $5 quart you can get a TRUE Synthetic Oil.
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Gordon Liddy
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6/28/2003
10:21:18
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It`s all ball bearings
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FBI
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7/03/2003
17:24:02
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GL,
What is ball bearings?
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JasonB
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7/03/2003
17:45:41
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I am going to look through a few more Owner's Manuals, but I just read in a 2004 PT Cruiser manual that the use of synthetic oils is acceptable. This information conflicts with a service bulletin I read serveral months ago which stated use of synthetic oil is NOT recommended in Chrysler engines.
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chesire17201
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7/04/2003
09:39:37
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Jason, if synthetic isn't recommended, why does the viper come from the factory with it?????? me personally i could care less, i have personally seen cars that are 20-30 yrs old over 300k miles that have never had anything but dino oil and still run great, and new cars that have had nothing but syn. oil blow a motor after 5k mile, i honestly think it's how the vehicle is maintained.....
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