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Headhunter
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1/29/2002
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What gives? Would the 5.9 tear up the current manual transmission? Why can't I get a 5.9 with a Manual trans? Went to the dealer, would you believe he told me that a manual 4.7 is all the truck anyone ever needed? what kinda malarky is that?
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alex
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1/29/2002
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You can't even get a manual behind the 5.9 in the Rams until you go up to a 2500 series. And then it's the NV-4500 (we have the NV-3500). The 4500 won't fit in the Dakota without cutting the firewall, floorpan. The 3500 will hold the power of the 5.9, but not aftr you start modifying the 5.9 motor. Once you start modifying and adding power, the 3500 starts to become less than reliable, so Chrysler won't do it. There would be too many warranty claims. Oh well.
Guess, if you want a 5.9/5-spd, you better start welding. Good Luck.
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CW
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1/29/2002
09:22:25
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Just get all the stuff out of a 5.2 speed. The 4500 is a work horse with a 6:1 first gear ratio.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
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1/29/2002
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As far as i know the 5.9 has no manual tranny even in the ram.
The reason there not making one is
1. Manuals arnt as popular
2. The 5.9 is in its last years so they dont want to waist money making a tranny for a 30 year old engine thats going to be discontinued probably next year.
The 5.7 Hemi is coming out and will be in our truck. You can bet there will be a 5 or 6 speed to match up to that.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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1/29/2002
14:38:33
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I wouldn't bet on a manual for the new hemi. Manuals aren't as popular.
The Rams dont'get a manual now, but they used to up til about 2 yrs ago. I used to drive a 98 with the 360 and a 5-spd at work.
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MikeD
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1/29/2002
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Manuals ARE popular in muscle cars and if your beefing up a dakota more than likely it'll be used to race so whynot put one in it.
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alex
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That's what I think, but Mar said they aren't as popular. Oh well.
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YA
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1/29/2002
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The reason is warranty claim repairs.
People with hot 360's in there Dak with 5 speed that try to hook at the strip usually have to fix it very soon.
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Mar
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1/29/2002
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The manual is not selling near to what the auto does. Except in the desil.
But for the hemi chrysler would have to put one in.
The guy that designed this new hemi probably wants one to
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y22man
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1/30/2002
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Manuals don't sell as good cuz dealers don't stock manuals. Atleast that has been the case when I bought my dak. And I am looken to buy a full sized now and I can not find a stick on the lot for them either. No wonder autos are selling better.
Jay
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Bryan
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You can't sell what you don't have. DOWN WITH THE AUTO'S !!!! Besides you get better fuel mileage with A manual anyway.
I was told I could only get A manual if I bought A V6 or smaller.
If it is possible to stuff A V10 in A Dakota, it is possible to put in A manual trans. ( whatever the brand you wanted ) Just my opinoin.
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R Midddleton
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The only difference between the 5.2 block and the 5.9 block is the bore the manual trans will bolt right up to the 5.9. The reason they don't has to do with waranty claims and demand versus cost. If you are starting with a Tranny that is out of the truck anyhow, you can get a better clutch setup in it before you run into problems. I think some of the dual disk clutches are pretty streetable. You also better consider a 9 1/4 if you don't have one.
Middy.
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Dave Mitchell
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I know a guy that claims his '98 had a 5.9 and manual...
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cudashoe
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1/30/2002
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The reason why the dont offer a 5.9(360) with a manual in a PERFORMACE vehicle is because unlike the 5.2(318) which was INTERNALLY balanced, the 5.9s are EXTERNALLY balanced. Reasons why go back to the 7os but cost was the main reason. Anyways the 5.9 dont hold up well with manuals and constant high revs. You could get one in a 3/4 ton but most people dont drag race those. Yes they offered 360 4 speed Dusters, Cudas, and others but their rate of engine faliur was like 5 times as high as a 318 manual. Chrysler said f..ck that! We wont warrenty that combo anymore!
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Hersbird
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There is a bit of a misconception here. The reason they don't offer the NV-3500 behind the 360 (and why they won't do it behind the 4.7 HO either) is because New Venture (the NV in NV-3500) doesn't say they can handle more then 300 ft-lbs input torque. It doesn't have to be a modified 360 at all to destroy one of these. Do you think NV would stand behind their product if Dodge went out and put it in something that exceeds it's recomendations? It would end up bringing down NV's reputaion (what ever there is of it). Then the lower first gear of the 5 speed compared to the automatic effectivly puts 25% more torque to the driveshaft and axle causing these parts to be at the limits of their design. To make a 5-speed R/T, they would have to go to a regeared NV-4500 that eliminated that insane 1st gear ratio, beef up the driveshaft, and narrow the Dana 60 to fit the Dakota. I'd be all for it, and it shouldn't cost more then the extra $1000 the current automatic does, but would the average buyer want to pay as much for a manual as they do for an automatic?
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YA
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My 5.2 is applying about 350lb/ft tq (305rwtq) to the NV3500. Still running the stock clutch.
So far so good.
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Dak_Yoda
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1/31/2002
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If you want a 360 with a manual, just do what I'm doing: Get an old muscle car 4-speed, you dont have the overdrive but oh well. I'm converting my 92 dakota 4-cyl 5-spd to a 360 (.030 over) with 10:1 comp. with a 4-spd manual and 3.55 SureGrip, basically a muscle car drivetrain. this dak is gonna rip.
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Hersbird
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1/31/2002
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YA- now try taking your Dakota out to a traction, textured concrete road where you'll get much more traction then found at a drag strip. Now rev your motor to 3000 rpm and just let your foot slip off the clutch. I'm sure it's a lot of fun now, but continue to do this daily for 7 years and 70,000 miles, that's the warranty on 5-speeds, axles, and driveshafts these days. Luckily the clutch is considered a wear item so Dodge doesn't have to worry about people destroying these and expecting them to foot the bill. The automatic on the other hand stands up well to even blown, heavily modified R/T's that are probably putting down over 400 ft-lbs of torque and have 60 ft times about 1.7 or 1.8 seconds. If your going to build a powerful 4.7 5-speed on a stock transmission, you might want to go Duner's route with a turbo set up, a stong Kenny Bell's torque is bound to kill the stock 5-speed.
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YA
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1/31/2002
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Hersbird- I agree, the 3000rpm clutch side step launch will kill the NV-3500 for sure. Thats why I don't launch like that ;)
I rev to 1800rpm and modulate clutch and throttle as needed for best launch.
A tranny that is truly over taxed(tq) usually lets go in 3rd gear at wide open throttle torque peak.
Or the drive home from the track there after. Hate it when that happens.
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Hersbird
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All that bad stuff said about the NV-3500, now for some good. Anytime you can make a lighterweight part survive rather then stepping up to the bulletproof stuff, you are bound to pick up a few 10th's with the less rotating mass. That said maybe a A500 based automatic with it's lighter weight and deeper first gear would improve the R/T's times as well.
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kelly
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2/02/2002
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headhunter:my boyfriend has a 5.9 r/t. and he talked to someone over the internet and he got his at a dealer with a 5speed. dont
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Hersbird
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Kelly, although it is possible there are some 5-speed R/T's out there they didn't come form the factory that way. A dealer could sell one but it would be a used Dakota, not a new one. Most of the 5-speed R/T's out there by far are just 5-speed sports with R/T badges and wheels. They may even go so far as to put on fenders flairs, paint the bumpers, and lower the truck. But I bet that motor under the hood is really a 318! Even if they went the extra 100 yards and swapped the 318 of a 360 then they still don't have a 5-speed R/T just another clone. Some R/T's have gone to the trouble to get all the 5-speed parts form a sport and put them in their R/T but it's more difficult then it's sounds, and after a lot of money and time spent you pick up maybe a 1/2 second in the quarter mile.
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cudashoe
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2/03/2002
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In 98 Dodge made a 5-speed R/T, 5.9L, 4-WD, in CANADA only.
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CW
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2/03/2002
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Never heard of it myself. R/T 4x4? Kinda a contradition in terms. The only 5 speeed with a 5.9 is in the 2500 with a NV-4500 trans.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
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Hersbird
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2/04/2002
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cudashoe- do you have some kind of proof of that? It's not a question of some US regulation or emission issue, its a question of the NV-3500 not being rated to handle the torque and the NV-4500 not fitting in a Dakota period. I say there are no Dakota R/T 4x4's as well, ever, anywhere, let alone a 5-speed version. I would say a truck like this could easilly be but it didn't come from the factory that way. I'm sure it could have been purchased new from a dodge dealer that way but once again it didn't come from the factory that way. Money can get the dealer to do just about anything but again, it didn't come from the factory that way!
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Headhunter
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2/05/2002
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Oh well, Looks like my only option is the 4.7l. Considering a 4WD CC but if i'm gonna spend $30,000 shouldn't I just get a bigger truck?
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Graphite
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2/05/2002
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Shouldn't cost $30000 unless you are paying invoice.
joe
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2002 quad cab 4x2
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cudashoe
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2002
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Im sorry it was a factory 4wd R/T. I had my topics mixed up!!! Too many exhaust fumes that day. Anyways the one argument was over a 4wd R/T Dakota on that thread. Heres proof of that...
http://www.alldata.com/TSB/9817_mo.html
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cudashoe
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2002
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Ow and CW, it was on Mopar Chat that I learned about the 4wd R/T Dakota, Canada only , in 1998.
Their are two people on there that have them.
I will search the records to seee if I can find the thread.
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Headhunter
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2/05/2002
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Well I can probably get a 4WD CC SLT+ for 25 out the door, but that's still pretty close to 30G's
So here's where I'm standing, any advice would be appreciated. I've decided i'd hate myself for not getting a CC, but not sure if the 4WD is necessary. How much would 4WD come into use since I'm moving up to WA state?
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CW
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2/05/2002
14:38:50
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Hey I never said it didn't exsist. I just said I never heard of one. Hows this I will look it up on chryslers computer nad see what it says.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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