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3/17/2004
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Once your rich they will take all your money!!!!
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Sephiroth
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3/17/2004
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Excellent point. But you know the old saying, right? Can't live with em', can't live without em'! Besides, I'm the old-fashioned idiot who'd date for two years before becoming engaged, much less married. By the time I got married I'd be DAMN sure she was true.
And now, back to truck-talk! LOL!
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Zack7687
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3/17/2004
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My dad does own an SS and off the line its fast but thats it.It is just to damn heavy! I love driving it and racing people. I have raced a civic (dont know engine mods) and smoked it, a PT cruiser turbo (dont know mods) and smoked it, and a s-10 (dont know mods) and smoked it. These were all just random people that challenged me. Off the line the SS with stick with alot of cars/trucks, but once you get going its all over for the SS PERIOD.
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Matt
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3/17/2004
17:36:23
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Thats cool about the slicks i haven't taken the time to look into getting them yet. Let me know how it does. And to ZENDAK yes i dissconnected the front drive train it was the only logical thing to do. Don't need to keep replacing the front end of other day. In my last post i did B/S a little bit, i would have to do a little bit more than that to get into the 9's. But as of right now i stay on average in the low 11's, the best run out of my truck was with a friend driving and he pulled a 10.99. But he also owns a race team and does this stuff for a living, i just do it for fun.
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bowtie
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3/18/2004
09:47:16
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well wiplash,the reason they stopped making the SY-TY trucks is that they were made when nobody cared about trucks,they still lasted its a 10 one sec. here ,they're the hot thing now though.no sephiroth i don't own a 4.3 i drive a 318 dak.you seen i can drive other type of vehicles because i realize that one brand isn't bad or good.i prefer chevys,but i still like dodges too.wiplash,you have no idea what you're talking about.4.3s blow up all the time?they're a 3/4 350.i forgot you think all 350s blow-up too. mopar guys?!sheesh!.for the record i'm only a troll when all of the BS you guys spew gets to much,i haven't said one bad or untrue thing about a dodge.
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islander
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3/18/2004
09:56:39
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Matt
you just admitted you are lying.
I think a 10 second SS would be all over the net.
Your truck did not run 10's or 11's without slicks.
I doubt you even have an SS of your own.
Post your mods and your horsepower/torque numbers. Any truck that runs a 10-11 will have been dyno'd during tuning.
let's hear it.
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ZenDak
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3/18/2004
10:06:48
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Matt - that's cool.... But why would you do that? I mean why would you buy an SS only to disconnect the front drivetrain? Why not save the money, and just order a RC Chevy w/the 6.0L instead? The money you saved would be more than enough to outfit that Truck better than the SS.
Just doesn't make sense to me.....
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JC
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3/18/2004
11:52:51
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The Syclone/Typhoon were not made during a time in which no one cared about sports trucks. If you recall, the Lightning and 454SS were first introduced in close proximity to the GMC. The problem with the twins was that they were fairly expensive (mid-high 20's) for the early 90's and yes, relability was somewhat of a problem.
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wondering
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3/18/2004
11:57:40
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Also that is a sophisticated all wheel drive system controlled by the computer. By disconnecting the front end it would throw the computer a major curve ball.
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WipLash
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3/18/2004
13:41:14
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The 4.3L is a 350 minus 2 front cylinders just like you said. That is the #2 reason it is a POS. The 350 block was already weakened considerably when they bored it out from the original 265ci? (I'm not sure on the exact size of the original SBC, but it had considerably smaller bores.) To accomadate the large pistons of the 350 they had to cut away the back side of the main webs right where they blend into the block. This was to give the piston skirts clearance to clear the main webs. This is less of a problem on the 350 than the 4.3L because of harmonics. The V6 has power robbing harmonics due to the 90degree configuration of the cylinders. 90 degrees is the optimal banking for a V8. A V6 is supposed to have 60 degree cylinder banking. This 90 degree banking causes sever dynamic forces in the reciprocating assemblies of the 4.3L and the block has to absorb all of it. The 4.3L block flexes too much because of all the design flaws it shares with the 350 and it breaks crank shafts as a result when pushed hard and over revved. Simply put, it's the biggest POS to ever come out of Detroit!
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Sephiroth
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3/18/2004
13:47:45
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Hey just for the record, although I rag on the 4.3L engine, I'm not anti-Chevy. If I didn't own a sweet pair of Dakotas, I may own a Chevy full-size. But that doesn't mean I don't think their 4.3L is crap. Whiplash just summed up why in a much more technical sense.
That isn't to say I don't have problems with Dodge either. For instance, the new HEMI is just a gimmik to me. To me, a HEMI is a 426ci engine, not what this new one is. I also dislike the way Chrysler has yet to fix known problems in their products, the big one being the ball-joints on Dakotas and Durangos. I'm also starting to majorly dislike their frontal disc-brake design. Why the hell couldn't I have drums up front, eh? They last longer and stop better!
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deerridge
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3/18/2004
15:19:19
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On the brake issue. From the posts I've seen here the Dakota's with rear wheel disks don't have the problem and those who correctly adjust their rear drums to take the proper load don't either.
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Matt
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3/18/2004
16:11:49
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Better YET ISLANDER, Why don't you give me your e-mail and i will even send you the dyno results for every step i took starting from putting on headers to adding NOS.
ZenDak, I never expected to use this truck for racing, my only plan was to supercharg it and that was it but my buddy who owns a race team and a performance and parts shop here in mich wanted to see what he could do with the truck. Everything was free from the manufacturers so i dind't mind, he is a poster boy for ATI procharger.
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islander
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3/18/2004
17:06:12
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send them on.
islanderpc@hotmail.com
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todd
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3/18/2004
17:29:51
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hey wannabert killa....Let me know if you if your in the New England area....
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RAMDAKOTA
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3/18/2004
17:38:28
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This is all too hilarious. This beats that and so on. I think everyone here is BEATING IT a little too much LOL. Fun is fun and all but no need to get chaffed.
Every vehicle has its problems. I think the idea is to buy something that meets all of the desires within ones plan. Naturally, the Dakota is going to beat most trucks in acceleration due to its light weight. The F150 only weighs a couple of hundred pounds more which makes it the next best thing (Lightning).
Chevys weight problem (5500lbs for most of the full size Chevys) is countered by the generally higher stock hp numbers they have had in past years.
They all make good trucks and only decent race vehicles. If you want to go fast get a car. LOL my 280z has a 220hp 2.8 in it right now which is pretty funny when compared to any stock V8 (5.2 230hp). I have only raised the compression and some bolt ons. The turbo engine I'm building will be a different story all together. Anyway, there are 240Zs with the same amount of HP running 12s so don't get all excited when a truck is running 13s or 14s. Never going to be as fast as a car (3000lbs or less).
When comparing these trucks I always like to point out that the GM products have crappy bodies. It's really a trade-off for the typicallly better drivetrain. There's a reason they used GM transmissions in Rolls Royce's for soo many years. But, my father-in-laws dash in his 2002 GMC XC shakes to the point you can't hardly read the gauges when going down a road by my house. The road is a little rough but the dash in my DAK, Taurus, or 280z doesn't even move really lol. But, I'll tell you what passengers are a lot more comfortable in the back seat of his rig than the DAK or Z. Fords generally have a good build quality and moderate engines save the Lightning.
I'm sure GM is aware that their trucks weigh more than US counterparts therefore they don't try to build a 500HP SS that will compete with the Lightning or R/T. Not reallly a good idea to sell people a three ton missle that shakes like a b!tch anyway. Wouldn't that be funny going 140mph and not knowing it cause you can't read the gauges LMAO.
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islander
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3/18/2004
17:43:36
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matt..just send one.
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wondering
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3/19/2004
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Hey Islander, did Matt ever send it?
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bowtie
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3/19/2004
09:45:22
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i thought the 2.8 v6 was the worst POS ever to come out detroit?the points you made about the 4.3 were all true,but the stock 350 block can handle 500+ hp.so even with the harmonic issues of the 4.3 it can handle 400+ easy.i know i've seen it done,RAMDAKOTA,since when do full-size chevy's weigh 5500lbs.?are you talking about a awd SS or 4WD?i've never noticed that the gauges shake or that they have "crappy bodies"
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deerridge
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3/19/2004
13:33:56
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Go to the Dodge website and run a comparson on Dodge, Ford, Chevy and Tundra 1500's. The Ram and F150 outweigh the Chevy and Tundra by 1000lbs or more. Chevy 1500 is actually about 4500 lbs. NOT much heavier than a Dakota.
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