| From | Message |
kota on 20s
GenIII
 
1/28/2002
21:14:07
|
 Subject: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
is it possible to run 13's in a normaly asporated 318 5speed with out changing the cam?
Eric
|
Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2002
00:18:19
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Any 13's, as in 13.99? I'd say easily. Especially on a gen II. My 93, auto with 3.55, ran 14.9 with $500 in mods. I'd think the 5-speed would have knocked another .3 to .5 off that, so all you need is another .7 tops. You could do the M1, headers, 1.7 rockers, cold air, and TB, (I already had the MP PCM). That should easilly be good of .7 at least. Maybe some sticky tires too, but by now I think we would be talking mid 13's. Then there's always the heads...
|
kota on 20s
GenIII
1/29/2002
00:23:20
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
unfortunatly i have the fat gen III. i just want to break the 13 sec mark, but 13.70's would be nice. i dont want to do head work or a cam. i already have the following:
k&n gen II, 50mm TB, 1.7RR's, jba headers, high flow cat, cat-back exhaust.
Eric
|
smokindak
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2002
09:59:35
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
I would say if you put some R/T heads on, but it would be hard without any head work. Maybe some steeper rear end gears. M-1 intake, some long tube headers and exhaust dump and slicks. Would get you pretty close.
|
alex
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2002
11:38:59
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
I had a buddy that supercharged a 318 Dakota (1995) with some mild head work, the MP cam, headers and slicks and he ran 13.20's all day long. I think if you're going to pull the heads (which will be the best way to hit 13's), you might as well do the cam. Yeah, you can hit 13.99 with bolt-ons, but you'll need to remove all kinds of weight and add all kinds of traction. If you pull the intake manifold, you may as well pull the heads and have them worked, and then you may as well pull the cam and go a little bigger. Then you should be in mid 13 territory with no problems.
|
kota on 20s
GenIII
1/29/2002
12:05:59
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
well i dont want to do the cam because i live in CA, and i dont want to change it back to the stock one every 2 years for smog. i also need my truck every day, so i cant send the heads out to have work done, nor can i afford it.
Eric
|
Brad
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2002
12:06:23
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Eric,
What are you running now with the mods you have?
Have you considered a pcm flash to take advantage of everything you have done? You didn't mention if you had an IAT adjuster. Every little bit is going to help. Unforunately I think some headwork will be needed to get into the 13's.
I'm basically in the same boat. 97 318 auto, 1.7 rr's, edelbrock headers, flowmaster catback, K&N open air filter, IAT adjuster, 180 degree tstat, 3923's, accel coil and taylor wires. Transgo shift kit too. Haven't ran this combo yet. I'm very curious to see what I can do.
|
alex
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2002
12:17:48
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
I thought you guys only had to pass a visual and sniff test. I'd bet a cam wont cause you to fail if those are the only rules.....
I dunno. You may be able to get there with just the head work, but getting a gen III into the 13's naturally is going to be a stretch without opening up the engine. If you add a dash of N20 to the mix, then you could have a 14-sec street truck and a 13-sec track racer. Just a lil ol' 50-shot or maybe 75.
|
kota on 20s
GenIII
1/29/2002
12:23:48
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
brad, i went to run it this past weekend, but i had a expired insurance paper with me and they wouldnt let me run (im glad i didnt get pulled over)
i am going to drive over to leach and have him flash the PCM after the M-1 goes on.
alex, do you think a cam will pass the sniffer? i dont want to take the chance, but if someone has done it with no problems, then ill think about it.
Eric
|
R Middleton
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
2/01/2002
14:44:03
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Try some time tested "Old fashioned Mods" I have relocated my battery to the right rear of the bed and taken a lot of extras out of the underhood area, that was all pretty cheap. I also took out the radio after having one stolen from me once already. I have a Hurst short throw shifter but if I remember your an auto aren't you Eric?
goodluck.
Middy.
|
R Middleton
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
2/01/2002
14:47:51
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Sorry I just looked up your profile and then checked the first post so you are obviously a 5sp. I am at waork right now and I can't pay too much attention to the board.
P.S. haven't had it to the track with the Batt Rel. or Shifter yet but I'm looking to improve on my best 15.59 this summer.
Goodluck.
Middy.
|
Brad
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
2/01/2002
16:36:46
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Hey Middy,
Where do you usually race? You're from London are you not if memory serves?
|
R Middleton
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
2/01/2002
22:37:34
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Yep I'm in London.
I have mostly had the truck out to Friday night t&t at St. Thomas but I've been down to Cayuga and Last Summer had a blast on Moparday @ Grandbend Motorplex with some friends from the DML. Nice facility but the pit roads are a disaster waiting to happen. I almost sideswiped a serous race car (Pro Comp?) driving back from a run. Nearly took out his golfcart tow vehicle. Felt pretty low for a bit after that, until I ran my 15.59 8-)
I also took runner up in the trophy truck class, but I'll be in the Dart this year.
Maybe I'll see ya there what are you driving?
Middy.
|
Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
2/02/2002
01:19:03
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
I don't think you'd want to run both the 1.7's and the cam on the stock heads. The 1.7 do sort of the same thing as changing the cam, with both it would be like it was overcammed. If you can pass the smog with the 1.7's, I'm sure you could pass with the cam as well, but maybe not both. I think the MP PCM would really help make your mods work better, they do make it for your year right? That and some minor weight loss and some slicks and I bet your in the 13's on a good day with the perfect launch. The 20's probably gotta go if you really are going for times and not style!
|
kota on 20s
GenIII
2/02/2002
01:25:41
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
yea i heard the new mopar cam with the 1.7's is about the same as the big hughs cam (i think its the hughs cam),
they make the MP PCM for my year, but not for a 5speed. im going to take it to mike leach to have it flashed.
Eric
|
Brad
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
2/03/2002
15:46:45
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Middy,
I have a 97 dak 5.2l auto rc. Have all the stuff done to it listed above. I usually make it out once or twice to the friday night deal at St. Thomas. With the catback and open air I ran a 15.68 @ 86.5 mph with an absolutely pathetic 60 foot time. Going to get down there as soon as the weather is nice enough. I missed the mopar day at Grand Bend. Have to try to get there this year.
What year Dart are you running? I'm still looking for one for a project car.
|
R Middleton
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
2/04/2002
00:51:54
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Hey Brad If you think about it next time you go to test and tune send me an E-mail I'll meet you there. I'll be driving a Green RC Dakota ACR.
My Dart is a 1970 340 Swinger White with black bee stripe. I try to drive it daily in the summer months.
see you at the Strip!
Middy.
|
graphitert
R/T
2/04/2002
08:31:30
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Hersbird, the 1.7s simply give you more lift, not necessarily "overcam" it. It depends on which cam you choose, but the 1.7s will work fine(watch your valve clearance!) and some cam companies, Crower being a prime example, give you lift figures based on 1.6 and 1.7 rockers right on their web site. Of course a custom grind will work with 1.7s as a no-brainer.
I wouldn't assume ditching 20s is a necessity to lose weight either. The factory wheels are heavy pigs. I have 19s on my '01 R/T and they are a fair bit lighter than the stockers. I'll have to remember to weigh them the next time I have one off, but it's easy to tell the difference.
Lastly, 13s NA is not all that uncommon and it doesn't necessarily take monstorous mods. A couple of guys on the Delphi board recenty ran low 14s to 14 flat with nothing more than TB/cold air/M1 intake/MP PCM/headers and catback and that's on a club cab. Notice no cam, head work or 1.7 rockers or torque converter, so he's still got room for improvement. Mid 13s on a nicely tuned motor with heads and cam is certainly reasonable. Terry Herrin is one who comes to mind as having done it.
Bob
'01 Graphite CC R/T, MP headers, SpinTech custom exhaust, 19" Acari wheels w/Dunlop SP9000s, Hotchkis, Bilsteins, CF Euro tails, clear corners, chrome emblems, Speed Grill inserts, CF dash
Soon: MSD 6BTM, M1 intake, Holley 52mm TB, 1.7 RRs
|
kota on 20s
GenIII
2/04/2002
11:25:50
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
hey Bob, thanks for your info! just when i was going to stop "dreaming" about hitting 13's you got my hopes back up ;-)
im going to try to run it on sunday. if i do ill post my times. i have never been on a track, so im not really expecting them to be all that great, but i have a lot of experience on the street, ;-) so ill try my best.
Eric
|
slowdak
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
12/01/2003
19:56:32
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
Kota, did you ever get those 13s on stock heads/cam. I have the same truck and just wondering?
|
Daker777
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
12/01/2003
23:29:28
| RE: 13's on a NA 318?
IP: Logged
Message:
well, i will post to this cus it is freaking OLD, and eric gets old posts back from the grave alot for some reason. Eric has a walker now he is so old.
But seriously- he threw on a powerdyne a long while ago so no idea what he would do NA. It is easily possible, my cc r/t is real close to a 13 NA now, feels way stronger then when i got the 9.1 in the 1/8th. New mods in it now, times for both of us to come.
Brig aka "ERIC built my car and it works pretty damn good even with me driving"
|
| | P 1 Next Page>> |
