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4.7L RULES
Dodge Dakota
10/03/2001
15:56:08
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 Subject: A Poll ! 4.7 or 5.9 or 5.2 performance
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Cast your vote.
4.7L hands down. Can't wait till the performance goodies come out for this top notch motor. Reason I switch from GM to Dodge.
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Travis
Dodge Dakota
10/03/2001
16:53:29
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I like the technology of the 4.7L, but still not impressed with it's gas mileage (as goes with ANY of the dodge engines). However, new 4.7L HO looks promising.
Of course, doesn't the 4.7L save a few hundred pounds over the 5.9L? If so, it's performance isn't all that impressive.
BTW, i own a '00 R/T.
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BlueTwister
*GenIII*
10/03/2001
17:48:02
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Can't really say for sure but I guess since I have a 5.2 I will back it up.Haven't drove a 4.7 or a 5.9 so I am not going to dog them like some people do without nowing what they are all about.Really who cares they are all made by the same people.Hello!!!!!
1999 RC 4x4 / 318cid / MasterCraft 32x11.50s
15x8 Optima Alloys/ Pioneer Sound System
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Brent
Dodge Dakota
10/03/2001
17:58:47
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4.7 POWER!!! I am very impressed. I beat a chevy that beats R/Ts. But I will not be satisfied until I beat one myself. I will post results as they occur.I did, however, beat an all-wheel-drive turbo Talon with some mods.I thought it would be close, but I toasted him.
4.7 CC 2WD Auto open rear (soon to be Powertrax)
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kicker01
Dodge Dakota
10/03/2001
18:03:31
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I kinda miss the 5.2 since i used to have one. It wasnt as big as the 5.9 yet it shared the plenthora of similar parts and mods available for the 5.9. I have to say that the 4.7 is a pretty good replacement. It is the smoothest engine i have ever owned. So 4.7 HERE!
'01 RC 4.7 5spd
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/03/2001
19:51:24
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4.7 RULES, it took the 4.7 engine to get you to switch from a GM to MOPAR?! no wonder you keep posting stupid threads like this. you are probably used to defending chevy engines against everything else.
Eric
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toast
Dodge Dakota
10/03/2001
22:11:07
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5.9 all the way baby!!!!
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R. Middleton
Dodge Dakota
10/03/2001
22:15:34
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My guess is the new 5.7l Hemi if it ever finds it's way under Dak sheetmetal, will be the hot setup.
Too many ideas not enough $$$ or talent.
Stay sane,
Stay Strong!
Middy.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/04/2001
12:58:21
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5.9L with minimal modifications will spank all others.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
10/04/2001
14:34:53
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R/Truck - which minimal modifications would those be? It will spank ALL others?
C'Mon - You know that's not true.
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SuperBeeDak
Dodge Dakota
10/04/2001
15:38:05
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Am I the only one who likes the 5.2's? Easy to work on, fast as hell, and tons of performance upgrades. I cast my vote for 5.2.
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Wes
GenI
10/04/2001
16:25:55
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From the factory the 4.7 is a better engine.
But the 5.9 has much more potential than the 4.7.
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/04/2001
16:37:25
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superbee, i like 5.2 too!!
duner, i think with a $50 home made intake and the 1.7 roller rockers it will beat a 4.7. and a flashed pcm to twist the knife a little more.
Eric
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
10/04/2001
20:05:30
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Hahahaha.... Eric. You really think so? You are entitled to your opinion but there were about 75-80 R/Ts in Topeka that proved otherwise. And to top it off.... my cat was partially plugged on that trip to Topeka. A dyno run after the cat was replaced showed a 75 hp difference above 5000 rpm. Hmmmm, I wonder how I would have done with an extra 75 hp in Topeka?
There's a bunch of guys here in the Phoenix area that know better also. At the track 3 weeks ago, I raced a '99 R/T with headers, hi-flow cat, custom dual exhaust cat-back system, ported throttle body, Gen II K&N intake, Mopar PCM and 1.7 rockers. He went 15.0s and I went 14.80s. That was with a density altitude of 4200' (hot and humid). The air density correction back to sea-level would put my truck running 14.10s if I could get it to someplace like SIR or Cecil. I'm still not sure why you think "twisting the knife" is necessary.
Notice that I never say that one engine is better than the other. After all.... they're just air pumps.
Why would anybody make a statement that one engine will always beat the other? You know full well that it's not that way. You guys have no idea how much hp and torque is bottled up in the stock pcm on a 4.7. If you did, you wouldn't talk the way you do now. I'm not here to dog any engine. I just want you to know that some people don't know what they are talking about when they say the 5.9 will always whip a 4.7. There are tons of 5.9s that will whip my 4.7. But the same can be said the other way also. What's so difficult for everyone to understand?
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
03:47:21
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that R/T went 15 flat with all that? that sucks, my 5.2 with a 14" open element filter, 50mm tb, and cat-back went 14.8-14.9 @91 mph. scence then i added the 1.7's and now im haveing traction problems.
im not knocking any engine, or any body. (expecially sence i might own one in the future) im glad you are running good times with your 4.7. CONGRADULATIONS!! i really wanted to go to AZ to see your truck and some others. I hope you represent the mopars, and KICK SOME A$$!!! and wipe the floor with the chevys and fords.
i just get tired of guys like "4.7 RULES" who think the 4.7's are the best thing since sliced bread. WE ARE ALL DODGE GUY'S
Eric
Eric
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
11:22:20
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My dad can beat up your dad....
Nah Nah Nah
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
11:24:56
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How old are you guys? You sound like a bunch of 9 year olds on the street with their Huffys ready to race one another.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
12:09:20
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R/Truck..... I'm old enough to know better and young enough not to care!
Bring it, Don't Sing It!
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Wanna Race?
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
15:56:52
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Are we still talking about trucks, because I can ride a bike real fast too?
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
16:10:34
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R/Truck, my GT moutain bike will SMOKE your little huffy!!! JK ;-)
Eric
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
18:10:55
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5.9 is the only way
4.7 isnt even really considered a small block.
Its just a block.
PUSHRODS....
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DStarr
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
20:34:36
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Thanks DUNER, you have my exact thoughts on the 4.7 vs. 5.9. I think that the 5.9 crowd is more insecure about their engines. Amazing how many responses on the issue so many seem to "hate".
I can imagine what the V6 people will do when the 3.7 L RULES comes around.
-Dave
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SuperDak
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
21:36:46
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kota is that a 21 or 32 speed bike?
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
22:30:27
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21 speed...but no huffy is a chalenge to it. I am the envy of all 6th graders!!
Eric
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Dakota 2 Time
Dodge Dakota
10/06/2001
01:48:07
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Having both a 4.7 and a 5.2 I can tell you that the 4.7 has more useable power on the street. The weight difference from the 4.7 to the 5.9 is only 75 lbs. The 4.7 is a quicker reving engine.
If you need torque the 5.9 is still king even though the power difference from the 4.7 is not that gtreat torque is.
Which engine is right? It all depends on your needs. With the 4.7 and the 5.2 I have it preet good. They are both good engines. Over the years I have had many 5.2s (318 ci) and they all have been good. So far my 4.7 is doing okay even though I don't even have 6000 miles on it yet.
Oh, and both are bone stock.
97 CC SLT 5.2 Auto 3.55 Brillant Blue/Silver
01 CC SLT 4.7 Auto 3.92 LSD Flame Red/Silver
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
10/06/2001
18:41:16
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Well I have to vote 5.9. The 5.2 is off a little from the factory compared to a 4.7 but I think it has more bang for the buck potential as well. As far as bang for the buck goes you can't beat a Gen II, 5.2, 5-speed, 3.92 LS. All you have to do is put better rubber on the back, drop the exhaust past the cat, put in the MP pcm, and cold air kit, and lose some extra stuff like the bumper, spair, and tailgate and I'm sure you could run low 14's. My 93 Auto 3.55 5.2 ran 14.9@92 ith big traction problems as I had those mods but no sticky tires. The tires and 3.92s would have put me about 14.7 and the 5-speed with a high rpm launch would have to be good for another .5 or so. That's like $500 worth of mods on an already inexpensive truck. Personally I also feel my 5.9 is about $500 away from low 14's with those kind of mods as well but I'm not even close to a trak anymore to find out. Would you all consider G-tech times adequate? If so I'll try that but I will be hurt with the 3000 ft elevation here.
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
10/06/2001
20:39:39
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5.2 RULES!!!!!
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rEID tARDO
Dodge Dakota
10/07/2001
11:33:26
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Well I have had the opportunity to drive both the 5.2 (mine) and the 4.7 (a friends). mine, a 97, has 3in. Mopar cat back exhaust, high flow cat, K&N FIPK 2,Black Magic electric fan, FMS 19# injectors and a 5 speed. His, a 2000, has a Pro Dyno 3 in. exhaust and a Pro Dyno cold air intake and an automatic. I gotta say that on the old "butt dyno" they feel REALLY close. mine seems to faster in some situations and his seems to be faster in some situations. He drove mine also and came to the same conclusion (even though he had trouble getting the 5 speed down... rookie). I will say that the 4.7 does run smoother and better at the higher RPM's. In the long run THEY ARE BOTH GREAT!!
4.7, 5.2, 5.9 ... all different, all great!!!
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
10/08/2001
08:27:46
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I have a 5.2 and love it. Lots of parts and performance, very happy. Never drove one of the others, but I am sure they are great as well.
Rascal
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Brent
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
16:44:35
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I have never driven a 5.9, but have driven a 5.2. The 5.2 seemed like a dog compared to my 4.7. The 5.9 has such a lrge displacement, but no hp. Torque is what moves a truck, but I don't see diesels with 450 ft-lbs of torque going low 15's in the quarter. If it can't wind up, you ain't get'n no where. As for fuel economy 15-20 beats 13-17. Towing, my 4.7 with a 3.55 and tow package is rated to tow 7500lbs with a 3.92 10000lbs. That is quite substantial. Even if someone were to tow this much, they would never be able to stop it with the crappy mopar brakes.
I think who ever made the statement of the 4.7 being only 75lbs lighter than the 5.9 needs to check thier records. The 5.9 has iron hears and aluminum intake. 4.7's have aluminum heads and composite intakes. Aluminum is about 66% lighter than iron, and with a smaller displacement (about 90 cubes) there is less piston and crank to wiegh the mouse down.
Just my two cents.
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Jim Marshall
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
18:23:43
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There all fast. Next subject please.
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
20:15:39
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brent, since you keep such acurate records, and are so conserned tell us exactly how much lighter the 4.7 is to a 5.9
just the driver can make up the differance! so who cares?
i personally am tired of talking about this. he11 the lightning guys get along with the R/T guys better than we do on this board. Its kinda like a civil war.
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
22:04:22
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ok. Who cares. There all mopars. All great engines with tons of potenial. If they suck why the hell do you or did you own one and/or keep buying one after another. All great! If it has anything to do with mopar its gotta be good!
SLEEPER318
5.2 GEN 3
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
22:34:42
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I'm not sure aluminum heads would save more then 75#, I'm sure a set of cast iron 360 heads weigh less then 75# and the aluminum ones still weigh something. It would more depend on what each truck is equiped with. The 4.7 is a smaller block (which is one reason why it's only a 4.7) so that would save more weight. All other options being equal I bet the 4.7 is only 75-100# lighter, if it's the old 5-speed -vs- automatic game then the 4.7 may be almost 200# lighter, especially if the 4.7 has the 15" wheels -vs- the 17" R/T ones.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
10:56:07
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You're on to something there Hersbird.....
My 4.7 with the R/T wheels and 17" tires has grown in weight. It's now at 4320 lbs. The 4.7 engine is actually physically larger than the 5.2 and 5.9s. If you look at it in the engine bay of a Dakota.... it looks to be the size of a 383 or 440. I seriously doubt there is much if any weight advantage to the 4.7 when it comes to the actual engine.
Just re-reading my post.... I'll have to weigh my truck once again with the added weight of the turbo and the other related parts. It might have gained even more weight....
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RJKobbeman
GenIII
10/10/2001
15:47:13
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My 00 CC 4x4 is the only Mopar product I have owned... so I have nothing to compare it to... but I can say that the 4.7 is one smoooooth, clean and crisp running engine. (This is NOT to say the 5.2/9 is not.) After reading the specs on the engine (got the URL from somewhere on this site), the 4.7 certainly has some 'cool factor' going for it. It will be very interesting to see what kinds of radical mods will be available for it in the future.
Rob
2000 CC
Sport 4.7 Auto
3.55 Towing package
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
18:59:47
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I'm not sure why the 4.7 would be physically larger then the 5.2/5.9's. I've read that the cylinders are spaced pretty tightly, making a lager bore next to impossible. Maybe it's set on less of a 'V' like the old 318 from the early 60's. It always looked like a big block as well.
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jat
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
02:51:29
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4.7 kicks ass!!!!!
All other engines can kiss my ass cause that's all they will see of me as I smoke their ass!!!!
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
03:59:06
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jat, what mods do you have done to that 4.7?
Eric
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
12:56:15
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You sure do like talking about guy's ass.
Hmmmmmmmmmm
gay?
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Clevite 77
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
14:43:21
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Da gee Geaorge don't forget about the 2.2L. come on guys this sh!ts getting old. out of the box the 5.9L has more power. Now it depends on what truck it goes in is what's going to make the difference. If you have a qc 4x4 w/5.9L w/3.55's
and a rc 2wd 4.7L w/3.92's who do you think's gonna win (I'm talking stock) and if you say the 5.9L you need to get a room with the thing
Duner the reason for the 4.7L "looking" bigger is because of the cams are inside of the heads. look at any motor with the cams inside the head makes it look hudge, take a look at the 4.6L cobra motor d@mn thing looks like a big block but that's because it's got 2 cams in each head.
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