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yah
Dodge Dakota
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5/16/2003
21:38:36
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The only reason dodge sucks can say that is because he has never actually raced one.
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dodge sucks
Dodge Dakota
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5/17/2003
07:52:37
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actually i've raced a lot of them. i have a
97 chevy short bed with a 350 vortec with:
-3/4 inske race cam & solid lifters
-aluminum roller rockers by summit
-10.5:1 compression flat tops
-bored 30 over
-2.02 heads
-hooker shorty headers
-2 1/2" true dual exhaust with flowmasters
-12 bolt rearend with 4.10 gears
-350th tranny
-and to top it off 2" drop
and never lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dakracer2003
Dodge Dakota
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5/17/2003
18:12:56
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I know a guy with a old Dodge Ram that races at the track with me ( my truck does 13.5's ) that is currently running 11.7's and it is his daily work truck. He runs a modified 340 and nitrous. I would bet you couldn't even think of racing that truck. How fast do you run anyway? Can you even keep up with my old 160K mile 5.2 93 CC Dak at 13.5's? I know of several dodge street trucks that run faster than me but so far i haven't been taken out by a 97 chevy yet. My cousin has a 99 Silverado with a supercharger and the works and he runs 13.7's on slicks ( i don't run slicks YET).
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steve
R/T
5/17/2003
19:09:47
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Hey bud(dodge sucks) your full of crap and you know it. Why would you go back to the TH 350 tranny? Where did you get the 12 bolt from? And WHAT you never lost! Now I know for sure you are full of it!! What are you running for times? OH yeah you have none. Go bug some people that are stupid cause we know better.
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Robert
Dodge Dakota
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5/18/2003
01:12:07
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DakotaRacer2003
Why do you need nitrous? I'll tell you why because your truck would be nothing without it. Nitrous is a mod for boys who don't really have anything but wanna make them fast. If I would run nitrous I would be running 12's all day long but I don't want nitrous, I want REAL POWER
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nos
Dodge Dakota
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5/18/2003
17:35:06
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Robert, blah blah blah...
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rocker
Dodge Dakota
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5/18/2003
20:46:43
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personally have owned all 3 but kept my 4.7 5speed w/4.10 and governor bypass will easily smoke all other naturlly asperated engines in the 1/4 still tow a 6500lb boat and trailer and get 17mpg
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LTU Dak
Dodge Dakota
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5/18/2003
21:22:05
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Real power? Your dang right, nitrous IS real power. Not only that, it has the best power to price ratio of any aftermarket performance boosting product on the market. That's starts looking real good to college kids like me. $500 + shipping is real good compared to a $3000 (minimum) supercharger or $2000 worth of N/A tuneups. After I graduate as an engineer then I'll start bolting Real power, as you call it. But if $500 gets me 150HP, then i'll see you at the track with your $2000 worth of N/A tuneups that gives you 100HP.
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hyp0cracy
Dodge Dakota
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5/18/2003
21:35:57
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question, in a couple years are they going to put the 4.7 HO in the daks?
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dakracer2003
Dodge Dakota
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5/18/2003
22:59:20
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Robert....just to let you know about my truck....it has 160K on a stock 318 ( 5.2 magnum) i am running nitrous to see how much it will take before giving up. I already have a total replacement drivetrain waiting to be installed when it blows. I have a 408cid stroker magnum, fully prepped race 727 trans, 8 3/4 rear with 4:10 gears, and 250hp nitrous setup. As for real power...i wont need nitrous to run 12's with the replacement powertrain, but since i built the engine to handle nitrous i will have fun in the low 11's!!!! But i am going to see if my stock 5.2 will make it into the 12's on nitrous before giving up just for fun.
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STs
Dodge Dakota
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5/19/2003
13:56:18
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First of all every time you pull out of the drive way mine dosn't cut out on you. Also I to get 17 MPG and I got a 4x4. Not to mention 165K miles on it. Its just the tranny (46RH) that sucks.
But I also got a Ram 1500 with a modified 318 (Holly intake, comp cam, mangnaflow exaust) that will out power a 350 Vortech or or the newer 364 Vtech or the little Hemi for that matter.
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R/TBlues
Dodge Dakota
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6/03/2003
21:01:47
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Did anyone read the article about the 5.9L R/t RC Dak vs. the 4.7L RC Dak? I believe it was Mopar Action. They did six 1/4 mile runs on a brand new unmodified 4.7L Dak and a brand new 5.9L R/T. The 4.7L won all six matches! They were both automatics. It's already been documented that the 5speed manual 4.7L will kick the R/T's butt. Now it's been documented that the automatic will kick the R/T's butt.
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steve
R/T
6/04/2003
19:47:51
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Just an observation that I have made over the last couple of days... The last time I was on the road for work a month ago I had a rental Ram 1500 QC with the 5.9 and it was what I had expected for a pick up- no major complaints. Just over the last 4 days I have had the same truck with the 4.7 and I must say I am pretty unimpressed with the power for the size of the truck. It was really quite pathetic. Don't get me wrong I AM a diehard Dodge guy but the 4.7 is a waste in the full size. So it raises the question.. is the 4.7 faster or more powerful? Not by a long shot just my 2 bits.
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00287RC
Dodge Dakota
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6/04/2003
20:06:02
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I agree, it was a mistake to put it into the full size, go drive a RC 4.7 5spd and go drive a RC R/T and then tell us something. Nobody ever said the 4.7 made more power, it doesn't and obviously doesn't produce as much torque either...something very important as vehicle weight increases. The 4.7 weighs less and produces more hp per liter than the 5.9...thats all I'm saying, its a much more efficient motor and can hold its own in the dakotas.
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steve
R/T
6/04/2003
20:55:42
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You must admit the 5 speed will make ALL the diff in the world as far as racing will go. We all know that. But the thing is all the hype I hear about the 4.7 being faster and the 4.7-5.9 bashing back and forth,which is quite senseless I might add. But if you look at the internals and the heads(Aluminum) as I am sure you are well aware they are more performance orientated in the 4.7 as compared to the 5.9. The 4.7 is a great engine and is WAY more technologically advanced than the 5.9 so if it has a few more ponies per litre than the 5.9 big deal it still doesn't have the power nor the TQ of the old 5.9 with the extra goodies and there is nothing to special about the 5.9 internals and no aluminum heads. Now I can't say that I have raced a five speed but the three auto 4.7's I raced were scalded fairly convincingly so to me that tells me that the 5.9 is the faster more powerful engine. I know you all have heard it before but WHAT IF the R/T had the 5-speed ? REALLY ? And yes 2 of the 3 4.7's I raced were 3:92 rear end and it couldn't have been any more fair. I'm not hear to bash the 4.7 I just feel it isn't quite what everyone claims it to be. And if the stock 5.9 kicks the stock 4.7 hard in a RAM the diff in the Dakota is ?.... oh yeah 5 gears.
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00287RC
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6/05/2003
13:41:06
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2 of the 3 auto 4.7's you raced were 3.92 rears? I doubt it, the auto 4.7's are 3.55's just like mine. The 5spds are 3.92's...by majority.
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steve
R/T
6/05/2003
14:37:45
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They both had them installed!! Or that isn't possible?
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00287RC
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6/05/2003
16:26:27
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well i'm not gonna say you're lying
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rocker
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6/06/2003
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i work for a dealer most 4.7 come with 3.55 on either auto or standard the 3.92 is optional to get real go in the 1/4 put some 4.10 from mopar performance
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LouNY
Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2003
19:16:40
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4.7 is great, exept when idling.
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rocker
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6/06/2003
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clean your throttle body and iac motor and reset minimum air flow values to correct idle on 4.7
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zaks dak-o-da
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6/11/2003
14:08:28
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I drive a 01' cc. It is a 4x4 5 speed with the 4.7l! Now I havent ran the quarter, or even really gotten used to driving the truck. But I have had it for a month and I took it to the track just to see what I could run. I ran consistent 10.3's and outran 2 thunderbird SC's.(that is the eigth) but thats all I can say I havent driven an R/T. It is bone stock, for now!
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blackv8dak
Dodge Dakota
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6/13/2003
20:27:12
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umm a bone stock 4.7 4x4 running consistent 10.3's? maybe he typed it wrong. yes that has to be it.
'02 Black, 4.7L, RC, Auto, 3.92's
JBA Firecone headers
Flowmaster 40 series dumped w/o cats
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yates-in-DE
*GenIII*
6/13/2003
22:36:28
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Consistant 10.3's in the 1/8 mile is very normal. blakv8dak, i don't see how you figured he miss typed that.
Later,
Lynn
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paysonbadboy
Dodge Dakota
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6/14/2003
01:47:08
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I was under the impression that Thunderbird S/C (super charged V6) were faster than the Fox body 5.0's were. That would be interesting.
My new Dak is also my family car. No more Mustang for me for a long time, (as my woman says). I'm very happy with the way mine sounded after I installed the Flowmaster so at least it may curb my craving for a Rod for a while. I have no complaints with the 4.7 so far. It sounds very nice for a truck and a mostly stock exhaust.
Someone mentioned having a govenor by pass??? Whatwas involved in doing that mod? I got mine to 110 the other day coming down I17. I left a stock Honda Civic behind when going up the larger hills, and I OUT CORNERED IT around the curves at higher speeds, so that made me happy to at least be able to do that. But Honda Civic's are known to suck at high speed cornering anyway, so that's no big deal. But my truck is a 4X4.
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blackv8dak
Dodge Dakota
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6/15/2003
02:10:38
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oops my bad. didn't see where he said "eigths" heh sorry fellas
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jeremy miller
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6/21/2003
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MY BONE STOCK 2003 RED C/C R/T RAN A 15.19 WITH THE TAILGATE AND SPARE TIRE REMOVED AND THE MILES TO EMPTY GAUGE READ 1!!!
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Blake
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6/21/2003
22:43:49
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Dodge sucks, you need to lean a few things about raceing and how to fix up trucks. I got a 2001 dakota QC 4.7 and i get chevys all day long
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litlpunisher
GenIII
6/23/2003
15:03:36
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I prefer a 5.6 any day
98 Dakota
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AK in PA
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6/23/2003
20:56:59
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I've owned two Dakotas, both 5-speeds and all stock. The first was a '98 5.2L club cab, and I just bought a 4.7L quad cab. I've only owned the club cab for 3 days, and very regretfully, I miss my 5.2L. :^( It had a gorgeous throaty rumble and rocked when I punched it...instant power. I used to have to feather the clutch to keep from smoking the tires in first, and could chirp them at 50mph. I could burn away from damn near anything at a stoplight, and if I'd keep it over 2500rpm on the backroads, it was just unreal. The seats sat low (almost sportcarry-ish), and I had no trouble skating it through tight left-right corners.
The 4.7L sounds like a...well, like my neighbor's Grand Cherokee. It wants to comparitively puke pulling out in first and early into second, but once I'm over 3500 rpms, it pours it on. I hit the rev limiter around 5900 rpm at 39mph in 1st, and had it to 95mph in 3rd with rpm's to spare. I think in the higher-end speeds (highway) it would blow my 5.2L away. But my 5.2L would dissappear out of sight on backroads (where "I" like to have fun). I hate how it has to rev so high to get power. That "power range" is so far above normal driving range that I have to really work to get power when I want it...no more instantaneous rocket. Needless to say, lighting up the tires is no longer a problem.
Also, the engine is such that I can't keep the truck in a lower gear in traffic to rely on slowing down under throttle lift. The 5.2L would accellerate/slow beautifully in traffic if I left it in the next lowest gear. Downshifting in the 4.7L barely slows it at all...as if every gear is the same. Pisses me off since that's one thing I really like about a stick shift. Finally, the seats of my quad cab also sit higher than my club cab and makes it feel top heavy in turns. I've been afraid to slide it loose through turns...if I "can" even slide it loose.
I don't know if the club cab running on 31 x 10.5 tires had anything to do with it's performance over the quad cab running on stock 265's...but I doubt it.
For a family vehicle, we needed a truck with 4-doors, and I'm very pleased with it in that aspect. I also like how it seems to get a 2-3 mpg increase in fuel economy (14.8 and 16.3 mpg vs. 13 mpg). The steering is nice and tight too, unlike the sloppiness in my club cab. I can't rail on it too bad since it still is fast for a truck and doesn't buck/kick/want to stall when I pull away from the curb in the morning. But on my commute to work, I do miss my 5.2.
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