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circusboy
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i spoke to my local dealer today. he said that their chryser rep was in this week and asked if they had any questions. the dealer asked the rep if dodge is going to put the hemi in the dakota and the rep told him that the hemi dakota is coming without a doubt. i just wanted to share this info with you guys. have a nice day.
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Jack
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Right...
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Really_Whynot
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Why the hell not? The 5.7 is a physically
smaller, lighter motor that costs less to
manufacture and maintain, is more reliable, and
has a strong marketing attraction.
People have been cranking up the torque/output
of 5.9s for a while now; certainly some to the
point of that of the 5.7, to say nothing of the
stock 500-horse engines sold in cars 35 years
ago. That couldn't be a problem then, either.
Costs a lot less consolidating on one motor
type, too. Common manufacturing facilities and
parts distribution. Lots of good reasons to
migrate the product over.
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Jack
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Because everyone that has posted anything on this board for the past 3 years that "their buddy told them", or "the dealer said", etc... has been FULL OF SH1T!
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Hersbird
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I beleive it's coming too but I'm really doubtful it will be before the 2006 model. They have already put out some info it will no be immediately available in the 2005 redesign, so maybe they will torw it in a special model (like the R/T) to sell a few in 2004 before the 2005 comes out. That seems like a lot of work for them for a truck that gets redesigned the next year.
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Super6
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After carefully scrutinizing that last couple years of emails I'll wager this:
-the 4.7 in the dak might get the jeep's h.o. engine and that is all for the 2004 model year.
-the hemi will probably take two or more model years to come and most likely will get here after the redesign - y'know, the awful one.
-if and when the hemi does get here, it will replace the 360 in the rt group. IE: Automatic packages only
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Hersbird
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2/01/2003
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Keep in mind that if they put the 4.7HO in the current Dakota it will be an automatic only truck as well as the 4.7HO's torque exceeds the input rating on the NV-3500 just like the 5.9.
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Hurl
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This has got to be true. A dealer or salesmen for that matter, never lie.
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chris
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they can put all the hemis they want in the truck but guess what ,its gonna be turned down it wont be cranked .dodge is hitting on the baby boomers to make this fly
the only way ill by a hemi in that truck is if its a brand new engine based on the bottom end in the 426. i dont want german crap with a fancy set of heads .
if it dosent put out a pony for every cubic inch of dispalcement straight outta the box, then gentlemen dodge well have achieved its greatest ripoff yet
the original elephant was the only engine to put out 425 hp with no mods. add in a set of twin carters on a cross ram intake, with a lumpy cam and hang on
futher more when they put these new trucks on the lot talk to the dealer ,start it up , punch the throttle if you dont see the hood getting sucked in, its german crap with fancy heads .
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TM
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2/01/2003
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I've cranked out way more toruqe with a 360 wedge than what this Hemi magnum puts out with 30 less HP. And also it gets it all a just above 3000 rpms.
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Jarrod
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German Crap? Im glad that you are loyal to American enginuity but big cubes are on their way out. Small bore, high horse motors are on their way in. As for 1 horse per cube arguement. Im sure youve got at least the 3.9 (237 cubes), 4.7 (about 289) or the 5.9 (360). Dodge sure as hell hasnt gotten that result outta any of those motors so why should they have to start now? I think that the new HEMI head motor isnt anything like the HEMI of yesterday but it sure is one hell of a nice motor. Cross bolted mains, 2 spark plugs a cylinder for better, cleaner burns and a pretty advanced combustion chamber. Its a nice motor. Hell, its smaller than the 360 but the 360 cant come close to the numbers the 5.7 puts down. 345 horse and 375 lb ft are great starting numbers. Look at the SRT-8 wagon in the new car and driver; supercharged and intercooled HEMI put down 430 horse and 480 lb- ft. Now who would complain with that kinda power in a midsize pickup? I sure as hell wouldnt. Sure it isnt the HEMI of old but who really needs a big, heavy, wide head motor when technology has an adequate replacement for it. Just my 2 cents.
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you don't like germans, must be a jew.
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dkota_rt
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Here is some more to think about. I have come across several articles and posts concerning the next generation Dakota. First off, I would say we can kiss the R/T as we know it good buy.
The next generation Dakota will NOT be offered with the Hemi at first. That's where the SVO (special vehicle operations) division comes in.
The SVO team will likely build a performance version of the Dakota in 2006-2007. We might see a Hemi Dakota at that time with the SRT nameplate.
Daimler Chrysler has also announced they will discontinue "limited production vehicles". That's a cost and profit driven decision of Daimler-Chrysler.
The current Dakota R/T is a "limited production vehicle". The soon to be released Ram SRT-10 will not be a limited production vehicle. Anyone can get one if they have the money. That's good news for current Dakota R/T owners. The value of these vehicles will likely rise n the next 20 years(similar to the 70's challenger R/T's, etc). If and when Daimler Chrysler builds a Dakota SRT, then it will also be an unlimited production vehicle.
Think about it from a marketing point of view and think about whats currently going on with the new Ram. Dodge will come out with the redesigned Dakota with current engines, and most likely maximize the use of the 4,7l as its got a
huge investment in this motor and its a good performer.
The first couple years of any new model are likely to have strong sales numbers.
Its usually after the sales numbers start slipping when manufacturers start offering performance additions, or other special "limited edition" models. This is all based on sales projectioins.
They are looking at maximum profits and predictable sales forecasts. Daimler Chrysler could care less about the few hundred people who want a Hemi Dakota until those sales projection numbers start to slide.
The bottom line: MONEY!
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chris
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JARROD
just incase you havent looked under the hood
the engines you quote are not hemi's i dont expect them to put out
but for dodge to re-introduce the hemi engine, and not keep up with the legacy that the 426 elephant engine built is plain BS and a desperate attempt to keep up. its a marketing plot to get the money out of the baby-boomers pockets.going back to what worked is what companies do when the competition comes banging at the door. just its a shame they picked on the HEMI
and yes you can have your 5.7L engine with the 300+ponies but why settle for it , when a 426 of today would tie the truck up in a knot at the lights with 500+ plus horse. i want somthing that'll suck the hood through the breather ,and suck the air from the passenger compartment at full throttle . throw the air bags out the window and cut of the seat belts ,with that kinda power cops cant ticket what they cant see and dental records are of no use either
that my friend is the kinda power i want if a HEMI hits the asphalt
Nuff Said
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apache
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looks like some people don't know what a hemi engine really is / it's all in the heads / hemispherical combustion chambers , where do you think the power came from in the big blocks of yesteryear?
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Hersbird
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The number game is a little off here. the 5.7 Hmei is a 345 ci motor that makes 345 HP so the 1hp per CI is there. The 426 was underratted at 425 HP but still say it made more like 460 HP on the stock street Hemi motor. But wait! There's something else to consider. That was a Gross HP rating and ever since 72 they have used Net HP for the ratings. Put the new 5.7 Hemi into gross HP numbers and I bet you see something more like 395 HP. Convert the 426's 460 to net HP and it's more like 410 HP. So as far as HP is concerned the 5.7 comes pretty close to the 426 especailly considering all the emissions stuff choking up the 5.7. Now the 426 will still smoke a 5.7 because it makes more torque (although if you convert those numbers they end up pretty close as well) but that will be solved if they make a new 500 ci v-10 Hemi! The 5.7 is not some weird German design it's actually pretty close to the old 5.9 with new heads and a stronger bottom end. The technology is all old school, iron block, center cam, with pushrods. Just like the 426 block was pretty close to a 440 block just with better heads. The best way to look at the difference between gross and new HP ratings is with the 440-6 pack motor. They actually planned to relaese the 440-6 in 1972 and went through all the process of dynos and such to get it approved for the 72 (I've heard some 72's did get factory 440-6's in them but I don't know how valid those claims are.) There were no changes in cam, or compression, or anything else between a 71 440-6 and the 72 440-6 except one was rated gross and the other net. the gross 71 was rated 385hp@4700 RPM and 490ft-lbs@3200 RPM while the net numbers on the 72 were 330hp@4800 RPM and 410ft-lbs@3600 RPM. The new 5.7's net rating of 345@5400 RPM and 375ft-lbs@4200 RPM look pretty good in comparison, especially with modern emissions and 9.6:1 compression (compared to 10.5:1 on a 440-6).
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apache
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Chrysler has never really been one to be very honest with there HP numbers / when the INS. co. crackdown came in late 71 Chrys.Corp. went to net. HP / just to look like they were backing off the horsepower race / and the HP rating was always under rated even then.
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chris
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its just the heads WTF is that?
if you new any thing about the hemi you'd know it was the head/ piston combo that made the power, coupled to a bottom end that could withstand a thermal nuclear blast.
not saying i dont want a HEMI.
im sayin that if a HEMI is produced, i want 426 cu inches if it
i dont want what a bunch of pencil necked geeks in detroit, read about and couldnt have,i dont want what some pimple faced engineer whos not getting any dreamed up after failed masterbation attempt.
i love mopar and everthing about it , have owned nothing but dodge .
but dodge has gone to far this time.
you people want a mouse motor , with fancy heads and some german crap bolted on .fine
but what the hell is wrong with standing up and demanding more
with the technology at DC's finger tips why dont they breathe new life into the 426,i dont want to beat ford and chev i wanna pound them into ground,
i want a ram to do just as its name suggest.
shove 426 CUBIC INCHES OF IORN DOWN THE THROAT OF CHEV AND FORD.
SOMBODY PLEASE TAKE MY GUNS AND GET SOME ADVIL
the pain ,the pain
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MikeD
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2/02/2003
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I guess no one else noticed this but me...on the SRT-8 thats gonna be supercharged...did anyone noticed that the heads on the new HEMI are aluminum? Sure they have their advantages but w/ a supercharger your more likely to crack a head or blow a head than if you had the oldschool cast iron heads. I think they were too busy trying to think of ways to cut down on weight rather than drivabilty long down the line. You never saw an aluminum HEMI head back in the day, I have a couple of buddies who drag raced back in the 60's and 70's when they owned the most powerful cars in history and they laughed when they heard about the aluminum head design.
Whats everyone else think?
~Mike~
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chris
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i said it before its gonna be german crap
now its gonna german crap made in taiwan
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SuperBee
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if you want a BIG hemi jsut go to mopar performance and order yourself up a 528 CI Hemi with 610 hp
and you know the old school hemis werent 426, they were the same size as the new hemis, its not a remake of the late 60s/early 70s size hemi, but its a 50s size hemi
so 426 HEMI was NOT the ONLY hemi, the reputation started witht he smaller ones, jsut that 426 was more popular and larger
so eat me and stop bashing the new HEMI
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chris
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it well be made in tiawan ,packaged in germany and assembled in mexico.
i know the engineers at the time borrowed from the different wedges, and blocks to pull of the 426.
the hemi made it to full production mainly to seize a win at nascar. which it did 1st 2nd 3rd , for that reason nascar saw what was coming and banned hemi engines on the track shortly after .alot of guys moved to the 1/4 mlie runs where the elephants were free to roam.and the horse power got cranked up royally.
the land speed record for a piston driven vehicle had a hemi in it, not the 426
i know people dont like my comments on the new hemi ,iknow it cheeses alot of people of .
but a known fact is that advertisers have spent millions trying to shove garbage down our throats and telling us we like it.
further more why take somthing as american as that engine and let a bunch of square heads screw it up, hell they started 2 wars they couldnt finish
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chris
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my comments about the german population were way out of line in that i refered to them as "square heads"
i sincerely apologise to to all offended
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Jarrod
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You really are hung up on the Hemi thing. There were more hemi headed motors than just the 426. I think the 330 hemi from the letter cars of the 50's was the real amazing one. The 426 wasnt a new development just a step beyond what Chrysler already had. Hell, hemi heads have been around forever. I know a guy with a 1930's Riley (4 person, two door British convertible) thats got an OHC hemi head. If you wanna get technical, thats more advanced than any hemi. Id like to see an OHC (DOHC or SOHC) hemi head motor come out of Chrysler.
As for Germans not being too good at building motors, lets take a quick trip back into history. the OTTO Cycle you ignorant fool! He invented the four stroke motor and guess what......German. First company to harness the 4 stroke....Mercedes. Man, as much as I would hate to admit it, the European auto makers are so far ahead in terms of automobiles (design and technology advancements). I love American cars but the Europeans can get 300 horse outta small bore motors where all we Americans can do is make things bigger. The old saying of there is no replacement for displacement is effectively dead and meaningless. Computer controls and advancements in design have made it so. Hell, Volvos coming out with a 300 hp (300 hp at 5500 rpm and 295 lb ft at 1950 rpm) S60R that is powered by a 2.5 litre 5 cylinder. Thats 154 cubes! Hows your 1 cube per hp ideal now?
In my opinion and I know that some arent going to agree with me but thats cool. American manufacturers need to get their heads outta the 60's and start designing cars that have bodies and motors that will easily last 200000 miles and still have lines that look modern.
Has anyone ever taken a look at European models that American companies produce? For example, Ford Focus. We get something that at the max gets 170 hp and they get 250 out of the same motor. I just dont get it.
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blarg
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the only reason you see more horsepower in other countries is they dont have the regulations we have in america. they limit how much horsepower you can have in a stock vehicle now. it sucks. i love my 89 shelby, but i just think japaneese and european cars are so much better.
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chris
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i dunno man ,
maybe it was just false hope ,and being cheesed when i read around the net that the elephant wasnt going to be on the fore front leading the way
for years i,ve thought of what that engine could do wrapped up in some new sheet metal, fuel injected with twin turbo's.,and a transmission out of a mack truck to take the strain
i dont really like the way the newer muscle machines are going. either their high dollar machines, or turned down so much that you gotta spend a fortune to get them to pump. i mean hondas for god sake riding my bumper whats that all about.
why in the name of all things holy cant dodge just put a power house on four wheels for under 30G's and make it rock. i dont need a cup holder to go fast, or air bags,or the fancy plastic trim
put steel on one end and steel on the other and make it go
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Jarrod
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You arent going to find cars like that unless you invent a time machine and go back to the early 60's. Airbags and seat belts are unavoidable in todays "unsafe" world. I think that the SRT-8 is going to be hot. A mean, low, sleek wagon with 430 hp, 4.7 sec 0-60, and around your 30000 target. And it runs faster quarters than most of the muscle cars in their prime. Cars are getting faster and safer.
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The 426 Hemi wasn't nicknamed the "elephant" for nothing; it weighed 950 lbs! The 440 weighed "only" 900 lbs. Not exactly a 21st Century deal. Appreciate history and move on. What I would like to see is a hemi-head design on the 4.7. It's already about a 75% hemi design now.
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HowAboutIt
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2/03/2003
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Anybody for a 6.0 liter turbocharged inline-6
diesel with the newest electronics &
soundproofing?
Say, 660 ft-lbs of torque at 2200 rpm,
325HP(net) at about 3200 rpm, and 35 mpg? For
$2000 and 500 lbs total truck weight over
stock/standard version? Maybe with a 3.10
differential?
Any takers?
I think DC might be checking out how people take
to the upgraded-design Cummins in the 3/4-tons
before they bring a high-torque 5.7. Maybe.
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Jarrod
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If I had 39000 for a diesel Ram, you damn right Id be there. Nothin better than a diesel. They get crazy torque and very good hp numbers now but I dont think that 35 mpg is about what they get.
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Demon Dakota
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No way it gets 35 MPG. They get 20-21 tops on a two wheel drive (stock). Funny part is, you add a chip/computer controller and the HP/TQ and MPG go up. Not many engines can do that. Diesel is the way to go for long distance travel and reliability, not to mention performance. Oh yeah, I left out payload and towing...huge.
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