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1/28/2003
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i want to get an r/t, but the only thing that is stopping me is that you can't get an R/T with a stick. Can you special order one with a stick? I know you can get a stick with the 5.9l strait-6 diesel in the ram? Also, the dakotas have had this look for 7 years, is dodge coming out with a new look soon?
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Porter
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1/29/2003
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No, Dodge never offers it's top engine in a light duty truck with a stick. They haven't for years, safety issues, I think. The 4.7 is available with a 5-speed and will eat the R/T for breakfast.
(Until the R/T is modified)
I am a Dodge dealer near Phila. Pa.,Jarrett Dodge.
Try driving a regular cab Dakota, 4.7liter, with a 3.9 limited slip rear, 2wd, 5-speed. I use one for a demo... P.S. Plan on traction bars to stop the wheel-hop into second.
I normally order a few of the fastest things Dodge can build and badge them my "1320'Editions" I have three now, the demo mentioned above, and a pair of reg cab Ram 1500 short bed, 20" wheel,3.9 antislip,5.7's. All fun rides.
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STS
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1/29/2003
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Well you could special order on but the R/t would have to be raised up a bit. The NV4500 is about the same size as the 3500 series tranny. The reason why the Dakotas seems a bit slow is because the 46RE which they use F-'s it up because of slipage. Trucktrend ran it on the dyno and only 200 lbs of tourqe made it the wheels.
Would could try this out: order one with a T-56 tranny. Now that would work if you want a Transmission made for hi powered engines.
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Anthony G
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1/29/2003
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That was one jacked up R/T then, my R/T pulled 303tq at the wheels stock with less than 5k on the motor on a 2001MY. I haven't dyno it since but I did shave off 2 seconds off the 1/4 since then.
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STS
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1/29/2003
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Well the R/T that Trucktrend mag tested only came fresh from the dealer. But the auto that the all Dodge truck use to slip from every now and then.
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Mike C
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1/29/2003
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I'm currently working on installing a 5 speed in my R/T right now. The re46 blew at 146,000. It’s a lot more work than it looks. Keisler automotive (that's where I'm getting the kit from) http://www.keislerauto.com
is working on putting a kit together for R/T owners who want to convert the auto to a 5 speed. He is almost done fabing up the kit with just the computer issue to work out. You need to re-flash or trick the computer so you don't pull codes as soon as the PCM realizes you don't have the auto in it. I'm going to be putting up pictures of the whole thing on my web site once it's all done. Then it's back to the track for some new times.
Mike C
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/2566/
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HSKR
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1/29/2003
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I have yet to see a 4.7L that will "eat a R/T for breakfast". Hang with yes, slightly edge out maybe, but nothing more. Once you start modding both, it's an uphill battle for the 4.7 to hang with the 5.9.
And STS you are comnpetely wrong. You CAN NOT special order a 5-speed R/T(trust me I tried as have many others) and a stock R/T puts out way more than 200 ft/lbs of torque to the wheels. Don't beleive everything you read in a magazine.
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Hersbird
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1/29/2003
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Then again the truck Porter is talking about has a 4.7 AND a 3.9 in it, I guess that might just do pretty well against a R/T! I remember stopping buy and talking to a dealer in the Seattle area and he had a 4.7 5-speed leftover on the lot. He started braggin about how that was the fastest Dakota, and even went so far as to talk about his personal 4.7 5 speed that was running low 12's, said he used to work for a indy car race motor builder and had all the cnc machines to make his own parts. What do these guys just think we get our knowledge from the fast and the furious? "Better make that two bottles!" LOL. I offered to race him for pinks on the showroom Dakota as my R/T was still bone stock, hell it should have no problem right, blow away a stock R/T right? They even had the thing marked up OVER MSRP! He sort of left me alone after that, the bad thing was that my brother in law was actually there to look at a used Expedition, even he walked out without even checking it out after hearing that guys load. You just don't get that kind of slicked back, Joe Cool, salesman in Montana so I guess it's good to experience a different culture while travelling.
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hdrt2
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1/29/2003
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Hey porter, how's things in hatboro? I have a question about the 46re. Did you ever get any complaints about how 2nd to 3rd gear shifts seem to slip into gear instead of feeling like 1st to 2nd? I live in lower bucks and bought a drive shaft from your dealership.
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AL
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1/30/2003
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Small world. I went to Jarrett Dodge back in october when i was looking for my 02 leftover. I was there the same day as Ken Hitchkock (flyers coach) and he signed a puck for me 8) You guys didnt have what i was looking for. I ended up buying my truck over in Flemmington NJ.
I think my truck shifts fine from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd. 4.7 CC 4x4 5speed 3.55
Al in Newtown :)
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hdrt2
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1/30/2003
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Hey Al, my truck shifts fine to. It just seems that it could be better. I have a transgo shift kit installed, and it shifts sweet, and will spank your fine shifting truck!
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v8dakota
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1/30/2003
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The NV4500 is the manual that DC puts behind the 5.9. It's too large to clear the Dakota tunnel, so, no manual for the 5.9 Dakota.
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Hoss318
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1/31/2003
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My stick 4.7 3.55 ran a 15.2 first time out. There were three R/Ts at the same track, same night, two were stock, running 15.7.
Plus, I get 17mpg around town.
Now, I know, somebodys got a brother who ran at a downhill track and ran a blah blah blah..... I'm talking same track, same night, stock trucks, all 4 were club cabs (mine included).
If you want to have a 12s truck, you gotta get an R/T, if you want a quick daily driver that gets good gas mileage and eats R/Ts for breakfast, get a 4.7 stick!
R/Trottmann
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Hersbird
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2/01/2003
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Maybe THAT night the 4.7 was faster but just because it's true once doesn't always make it true. There are many stock CC R/Ts out there that have run in the 14's, and tons that have run a 15.2. So how many 4.7 5-speed CC's have broken into the 14's completely stock? On the RC side it's even worse, there are tucks running 14.5 pure stock, the best 4.7's I have heard of stock are 14.8's. So yeh sometimes, some days, some tracks there are a few 4.7 faster then a few 5.9's but overall they are about EQUAL with the fastest stock 5.9's are faster then the fastest 4.7's. This has been beaten to death on these boards literally over 100 times now.
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99dakota
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2/01/2003
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I have a 99 4x4 cc dakota 5.2L 5 speed w/ a 3.55 open diff it had 72,000 miles then and on all terrian tires I ran a 15.6@92mph stock even stock plugs wires and cap. with alot of wheelspin and wheelhop. there was a cc R/T that ran a 15.8 w/ a pcm headers duals TB K&N gen II a 3.92 sure grip rear and who knows what else. he didn't beleive me when I told him I to show him my timeslip I think I have the run on video too. I know there was a faster time in there just no traction. I'm hoping for high 14 when I go back its not stock anymore and I should be adding a locker soon.
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TM
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2/01/2003
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No, Your wrong HSKR. I've driven a modified Dakota with a T-56 Tranny. It was a '98 year R/T and it was special orderd from Chrysler. Now of course you can't do that from Daimlerchrysler because you only get what they give you.
But thats ok. Enjoy driven my 8.1 GMC Yukon by my local Dodge dealer.
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HSKR
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Maybe a speacial dealer install on the t-56, and thats a HUGE MAYBE. I highly doubt that Chrysler would do that for warranty reasons. If you can show me a factory window sticker for ANY R/T that includes a "special order" T-56 on the window sticker, I might beleive you, but saying you drove a "modified" Dakota with a T-56 doesn't mean it was a factory option. It just means that you drove a modified R/T simple as that. Maybe it was a test mule for DC, but I doubt a showroom truck.
Now, on the whole 4.7vs 5.9 battle. The driver has a lot to do wth how a truck will run. My truck will run low 14's as it sits, but with the wrong driver it woudl still be a 15 second truck. My very first time to the track with a throttle body, PCM, and cld air intake, I couldn't get any better than a 15.8, but my second time to the track with same mods, I was running 15.5 with 2.3 60' times. Same track same night does make it a little more level of a playing feild, but driver skill still make a diference. Not making excuses, just speaking the truth. As Hersbird said, There are more stock R/T's that will beat a stock 4.7, than 4.7's that will beat a R/T.
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Hersbird
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2/01/2003
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I would bet money that the 98 you drove was not some special t-56 custom built by Chrysler but simply a 5.2 5-speed with the R/T stuff cloned onto it. Maybe they (as in a private customer or dealer but not Chrysler) even went so far as to put a 5.9 in the place of the 5.2 but I'd have to see pictures and the VIN to beleive it. And to beleive it was built by the factory that way I'd also like to see the factory window sticker. There have been way to many discussions on things like 5-speed R/T's or 4x4 R/T's to suddenly beleive that all along there were some 98's out there, and just now low and behold they turn up. Plain and simple every R/T or any Dakota is a "special order" just depending on weather or not a customer, or the new car manager ordered it. Everybody has access to the same options and 5-speed was never an option on the R/T (and as long as I mentioned it, neither was a 4x4 Dakota R/T possible.) Lots of fakes out there and they are pretty easy to spot mainly with the VIN. Any Chrysler parts department can look up what factory options were on a truck from the VIN as well, if it wasn't on that list then it was added by somebody other then the factory.
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HSKR
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2/02/2003
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Actually Hersbird, the Dakota R/T sold in Mexico was a 4x4 with the 5.2 in it.
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Hoss318
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2/02/2003
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Not that I'm trying to continue this, but on my "same night, same track" example, I was granny shifting not power shifting, and the two stock R/Ts and I each had 3 runs and were all very consistent, and the R/Ts had a LOT better tires. Plus, I have a 3.55 and the R/Ts have 3.90s. Regardless, I still think that a 4.7 5-spd 3.90 will be quicker than an R/T. (Then there's the whole gas mileage thing...hehe).
R/Trottmann
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CARNE ASADA
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What would win? An R/T or a WRX?
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Hoss318
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WRX
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Hersbird
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HKSR, I still don't beleive the Mexico thing either. I tried looking up Dodge truck ordering on the Mexico Chrylser website and there was never anything there. Also what about the trucks made them R/T's? They didn't have the 360's, they didn't have painted bumpers (other then the sport type), they didn't have anything other then the 15" wheels, they didn't have a better exhaust. Basically they were nothing more then a Sport 4x4 with a R/T decal on the side. I really think this was nothing more then a dealer or two in Mexico slapping on some custom graphics onto new trucks and claiming a factory truck. Aren't all Dakotas built in the US plants? I'm sure some of the workers there would have noticed something like 4x4 R/Ts rolling off the lines.
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BAD360RT
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2/03/2003
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I bought my R/T from Jarret Dodge end of April last year, you guys gave me an awesome deal on it. I won't bring it back for service tho, not after the tech ruined my tint fixing a sticky power window (which I ended up fixing myself with some silicone lube). But good sales staff and good customer service (service manager said he'd pay for the tint replacement, just haven't done it yet, and now I'm on deployment, so it'll have to wait till this summer). Anyway, just thought I'd chime in, live in Bensalem.
-Dave
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Shane
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There is a lame 4x4 sport that has r/t stickers on it. there quiet obviously stuck on by the owner there not even in the right places and the sport stickers are still there heh. I hope to find him this summer and leave him at the light in a plume of smoke.
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HSKR
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2/03/2003
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Hersbird. Back in '00 I went to Dodges Mexico website, and they did indeed have the R/T lists(official Dodge website) as being able to order for the Mexico market. The only thing that made it a R/T was the badging and a little better PCM tune. Other than that, just a regular 318 4x4 Sport.
Hoss318
The stock 4.7 Sport even with the 3.92 isn't any better than a stock R/T. They are comparable in performance. There is no clear winner in that race. Some 4.7s are faster than some R/Ts, and some R/Ts are faster than some 4.7's. One of those 6 of one half a dozen of ther other comparisons. As far as the WRX, yes it is faster stock to stock.
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Hoss318
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2/03/2003
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If it's six of one half dozen of the other, then someone who prefers a manual but wants a truck with ba11s should get the 4.7 and won't be dissapointed performance-wise, right?
R/Trottmann
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Jarrod
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Do not use a NV4500 trans. Theres a reason its mated to the deisel pick ups. Its got a 5.13 or so first gear. Thats not the transmission you want if all you want is to drive around town and drive fast. 4 Wheelers mark the NV4500 as the pinnacle for wheelin transmissions because of its strength and gearing. I would got most definately with the Tremec T56. Not a NV4500.
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Hersbird
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2/03/2003
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Don't worry about getting a nv-4500 in a Dakota, never has been possibe due to it's size. If you are looking at Rams though it is something to keep in mind. I agree if you like a manual you can save some money and get a 4.7 5-speed and still have great straight line performance. By the time you upgrade all areas of looks, options, and handling like on the R/T you will have spent just as much as buying a R/T from the factory but with less resale value. Personally if I was wanting to build a sweet modified 5-speed Dakota I'd start with a 97-99 5.2 5-speed which would cost well under $10,000. Then there are tons of mods for the 5.2 including just switching to a stroker or 360 if you want to. I don't think the transmission will last long with lots of mods and slicks but it's worth trying right? If absolute speed has priority over beauty then the lighter Gen II with a 5.2 5-speed would be the way to go, and they are even less money.
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HSKR
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If all you care about is straight line performance, then yes Hoss, but if you want the looks and sport car handling to go with it then get the R/T. Your 4.7 5-speed might be able to keep up on the drag strip, but take it to a road course and you'll be wondering where the performance went to in your 4.7 as the R/T runs laps around you.
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97dakota5spd
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i have a 1997 dodge dakota sport that has a 5.2 and it is a 5 spd tranny. How do you guys think it will do against an R/T? I have never raced an R/T and yet go to the tracks. How do you guys think my truck will do?
Mods are K&N intake with heat shield/Borla catback duals/3 1/2" tips/Borla t-304 aircraft grade stainless steel headers/180 t-stat/underdrive pulleys/poweraid throttle body spacer
Future mods: 1.7 ratio roller rockers(should have put them in when i installed my headers)/Jet chips stage 2 (on its way)/and last Dodge Dakota Stealth body kit
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