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Genetic
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1/26/2003
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i was thinking about buying a dakota R/T but i have a few questions, how fast are they i know they have a 5.9 liter V8 right. i have a 5.0 in my maverick and its pretty fast. i keep checking the dealers around where i live and no one have a 2003 R/T, did they stop making the R/T's??? whats the top speed on the R/T stock??? thx
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chris
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they take of fast enough to suck your eyes into the backs of your sockets
but if all the rumors are correct wait untill next year . theres talk of putting bigger nads in the beast with a revised version of the elephant
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Hersbird
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1/26/2003
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They still make the R/T. The top speed is electronically limited an at least in 2000 that was 118 mph. Now I have the MP PCM which removes any electronic limits and I can't afford to lose my job or life over how much faster it will go now. I think it's pretty safe to bet over 140 mph. Most people talk about how fast a car is meaning how fast in a 1/4 mile is it. Stock R/T's are anywhere from 14.5 sec to 15.5 sec depending on how good or bad the conditions are and weather or not they are a club cab or regular cab.
Originally I was buying into the rumors that they would put the 5.7 Hemi inot the 2004 Dakota but I kind of think not now. The plans for the 2005 redesigned Dakota don't even plan on a 5.7 Hemi so I don't see why they'd submit to a whole new set of government tests required when you put a new powertrain into a truck just for a lat horrah on the current bodystyle. They did it with the 98 5.9 Limited Cherokee, but that is a big seller compared to Dakota R/T and they didn't do it for the 2003 Durango R/T now in it's last year of the current design. At least the 2004 Durango R/T is expected to have the Hemi, great except it will be much heavier and instead of costing $30,000 it will probably be over $35,000. Used to be you could get a new Dakota R/T stripped down with just the good stuff for about $16,500, too bad they can't just take those $16,500 R/T's and add the $700 it takes to get the 5.7 Hemi as an option in the Ram to it for a total of $17,200 for something that would be in Lightning territiory at 1/2 the price.
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texaslawdawg
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1/27/2003
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I was considering holding off on future mods on my 2002 R/T with the hopes of the hemi being in the 2004 or 2005 R/T, but the more I read, I dont think it will ever happen. So last night I dropped in a set of 1.7 roller rockers and plan on getting 4.56 gears with my income tax return.
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genetic
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1/27/2003
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cool thx for the info guys
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ShortSport
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1/27/2003
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something to consider a regcab 4.7 5spd 3.92 lsd ia as fast as an r/t and thousands less
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Daker777
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1/27/2003
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The 5.9 r/t is not made anymore as they have stopped making the 5.9 engine. They i believe 2003 is the last year they are available with the 5.9. I would personally get a 98 or 99 if you can find it as pretty much all the aftermarket is cheaper for them. Stock r/ts run 15.5 ish for the cc and 15.3 ish for a rc. I have never seen one break into the 14s. The 5.2 5 speed and 4.7 are great motors as well. Cant beat a standard. Yes most are governed at 97? to 118 ish depending on year etc. The r/t is a quick truck, but can easily be made very competative with simple bolt ons. It wont beat a lightning or a gt, stock atleast. There are several on ebay and for sale by owners lightly and heavily modded. Would be worth check those places out. I hate stealerships. I love my 99 r/t cc, no bad things to say about it with 45k plus on the clock.
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2001RT
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1/27/2003
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Shortsport, I will have to disagree with your findings that a 4.7 5speed 3.92 lsd is just as fast as an RT. There may be one or two 4.7's that can outrun one or two RT's, but in general the RT's are faster. Having owned a couple of different Dakotas and driven many more, the RT's I have driven have always been faster.
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Hersbird
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And there definately are lots of stock RCs in the 14's and CCs running 15 flat or better. Hell I've even seen magazine tests get 15.1 on a brand new CC on a hot humid day in Florida. That was uncorrected, real drag strip results. Maybe you are at a slow track, high elevation, or really hot and humid, but in more standard conditions all R/T's are pretty solid 15 or better. Also they still are rolling 5.9 R/Ts of the assembly line and will be all year. Maybe they stopped making the 5.9 motors but I bet they have more then enough to fill orders all year for those that still want them. I agree a Hemi would be wonderful in a current sized Dakota but it looks like it will be 2006 at the eariliest and by that time the Dakota may weigh within 200 pounds of the Ram so why not just buy a Hemi Ram now? That's what I'm doing.
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genetic
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1/27/2003
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how do the 5.7 R/T compare to cars like the civic or a vw off the line, i know they are 2 totally diffrant vehicles, but i cant have a CAR or truck that will let those little bastards by.
does any one know when the release date is for the SRT-4?????
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ShortSport
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1/27/2003
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well 2001r/t your right and wrong what i mean is i have raced afew r/t stock owners and lost i have also won, the trend in wining is usually the r/t gets out of the blocks ahead but only by a half lenght....if the 4.7 shifts at 5500rpm at top of 2 and into 3... there even thats at about 90kmh(3.55)if 3.92 they even up alittle earlier by top of third(150kmh) its the end of the block or so and its time to slow for lite....now i know thats not true 1/4mile but thats the kinda racing most do during the weekend at least for me..
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2001RT
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1/27/2003
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I respect your personal findings, Shortsport. Engines are all unique, none of which are exactly the same. Even if they rolled of the line back to back, there are still variations. I can only speak from my experiences. And down here in Texas where the stop lights are far apart, I have yet to find a non-modified, non-RT dakota that is as fast as the non-modified RT.
Genetic, if you are interested in the RT, make sure you are interested in the WHOLE truck. You can't get the combination of power AND handling from any other factory Dakota. If all you want is speed, then maybe a 4.7 with mods is the best route for you to take. But if you decide to later try and change the handling to mimic that of the RT, then you have just paid way more than you would have by buying the RT.
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ShortSport
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1/27/2003
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that i will have to agree with 2001r/t
2002 Reg cab 4x2 4.7 5-spd 3.55.1 LSD
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Buzz
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1/27/2003
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if you want handling for a stock Dak... you can get the full Hotchkis TVS kit for $695.00 and then find some wheels and you are set to go... plus you don't get 13mpg.... sounds like a plan to me.. My 5.2 will beat an R/T and I have 3.55 gears and can get 18mpg on the fwy... I like it a lot better.
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2001RT
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Sorry to argue the point with you Buzz. But, it doesn't sound like you have every driven or raced against an RT. Unless your truck is modified and you are racing a stock RT, I don't think you will win. My '98 318 5speed with 3.92 gears was fast, but not as fast as my RT.
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Hersbird
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1/28/2003
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The R/T package of late has gotten pretty pricey, but it didn't use to cost that much. Back in 98-2001 it was only $2100. That included the fender flairs, 17's, suspension upgrades, cruise, tilt, buckets, console, fully painted bumpers, light group w/fog lights. If you had to buy this stuff separately it would total more then the $2100 easy. You would save money with the 4.7 as it was a less expensive option and even more by sticking with the 5-speed as the automatic cost's $900 more. You used to be able to get a stripped down R/T for about $17,000 but then again you could get a REALLY stripped down 4.7 5-speed for under $14,000 back in 2001. It really all boils down to weather you want a manual or a automatic because they are both close performance wise, and it's the manual that makes the 4.7 competitive with an R/T. If the R/T came with the 5 speed it would not even be close... until it's 345 ft-lbs gernades something in the drivetrain! Really though both trucks are awesome Dakotas as were all the 5.2 5 speeds, especially the lighter Gen IIs. My old 93 5.2 even with it's 3.55's and automatic was pretty awesome in it's day. It ran pretty even with a 93 5.0 mustang automatic which was all the rage in 93, kept a smile on my face, but still nothing like the all around performer and looker my 2000 R/T is.
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Joey
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i was wondering if anyone knows wat types of gains i could see by doing r/t cams, 1.7 roller rockers, m1 intake, and r/t cast iron cylinder heads. I currently have gibson headers, k&n intake, and no third cat on my 2002 R/T regular cab. If anyone can help me out and possibly suggest any other worthwhile mods id appreciate it. thanks.
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Daker777
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2/05/2003
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Hersbird, not to start a flame but I was giving real world numbers for what I have personally seen with my own eyes at numerous tracks, including good weather and sea level altitude. ALmost sea level and 60 degree weather is a good average. Yes I have heard of maybe 2, yes 2 total stock rc r/ts with incredible launches breaking into the 14's, but i have not seen it. I was giving my figure of the average cc and rc r/ts times I personally have observed. Heck most mildly modified cc an rc r/ts with slicks have a hard time getting mid 14s. I am in no way bashing you, just stating what I have observed and giving some average numbers so people do not think something is wrong with their truck because it doesnt run 14s stock.
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Hersbird
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I personally would worry a bit if I had a RC R/T at sea level in good weather with a good launch that didn't break into the 14's. I'd be looking for a problem with something. I have heard of LOTS of stock R/T's in the 14's. Even the 4.7 guru, Duner, used to have a CC R/T that went something like 14.5 stock and that was a CC! High Performance Mopar did a test at a real Florida dragstrip on a humid day and got a 15.1 uncorrected on a truck with minimal break-in. My old Dakota Ran a 14.9 and although there is no longer a strip where I live I'm positive my R/T bone stock is quite a bit faster then my 93 was with mods. So maybe I got one of those rare ones but I'm positive even bone stock I was well into the 14's and now with a PCM and a few free tweaks it's even better. Maybe I just got one of the "good" ones but from talking whit 100 of R/T owners on the RT board, it seems like lots of us got those "good" ones. I also think that the 98-2000's are a bit faster because of the lack of precats and better factory PCM programming. Plus if you observe runs, they are the good, the bad, and the ulgy runs as well. If somebody says their truck runs 14.8 that means the best they ran was a 14.8 and I'm sure that there are times they ran 15.4's (although the HPM article with the 98 CC had runs all within .1 sec of each other.) Still when brand X owners talk about how fast a car is they are talking the best ones driven properly, not the average of every run ever made in the car.
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Katie
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I am looking into buying a new Dodge Dakota R/T in a few months. Does anyone have any suggestions. I would eventually like to modify it as well. What does the insurance look like?
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Sorry, LOTS of R/T's DO NOT get into the 14's. Hersbird, your statement is total BS. They are FAR from it. I have not seen any stock nor lightly modded R/T's break into the 14's. You people must not get to the track much...
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Hersbird
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Why don't you fools post under your regular log-on around here. Why don't you ask Duner what his stock CC R/T ran if you don't beleive me? Most RT owners don't post here anymore because of all the crap from other Dodge owners they seen to get. I don't understand the attitude displayed toward the R/T. If you have a R/T or are interested in learning useful information on your truck I might try spending some time a the Delphi message board for dakotart. or go to www.dakotart.com . Then you can learn for guys who run better times weather stock or modified rather then hang out with 4.7 owners who know a guy who has a cousin running 15.8's in his R/T.
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Joe
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Mr. Hers Bird,
I will not ask ANYONE on this board what they ran because their answer will most likely be inflated a bit. Almost everyone lies on this board about their times. Be it .10 of a second faster than they ran, all the way up to 2+ seconds faster than they ran (that one was funny). I have been going to the track almost every week for almost 4 years now, and I have SEEN with my own eyes MANY Dakotas, all types, race at the track. I have also SEEN with my own eyes the slips they come back with. THE SLIPS DON'T LIE.
RIGHT...
PS R/T owners don't like to post here because they get called on the BS times they post. The truth is, CC R/T's are 16+ second trucks, RC R/T's are mid-high 15 second trucks, and that's being generous. Truth hurts...
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2001rt
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Right,
I don't know what you have been smoking but there are many R/T's in and below the 14's. I think you need to take a trip over to www.dakotart.com, then go to discussions and it will take you to Delpi forums. Most lightly modded R/T's over there are in the mid to low 14's the really modded ones range from low 12's to low 13's. Do a little research before you make stupid statements next time!
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Black R/T
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3/27/2003
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I saw on Larry King "Live" last night.......
....and the beat goes on and on and on.....
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Joe
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Do research? By going to a forum like this one and seeing times they "claim" to have ran? I HAVE SEEN THE TIMES, IN PERSON, AT THE TRACK, ALMOST EVERY WEEK. WHAT MORE RESEARCH DO I NEED??? You do a little research and GO TO THE TRACK AND SEE.
I have seen R/T's in the 13's and 14's. Not N/A of course. Sure, with some work R/T's can be fast. But the dinky "bolt ons" most people are doing are not going to make your R/T fast.
Poor bastards. Truth hurts..
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Hersbird
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What track are you seeing these stock R/T's running 16+ seconds? I suppose at the same track you have seen 4.7 Dakotas run 15 flat pure stock huh? Probably a L stock running in the low 13's stock too? I'm sure there are some tought tracks where a bad driver will run a 16.5 in a R/T but put that same driver in a Z06 on the same day and he will probably be well in the high 14's. There are plenty of honest R/T owners who even scan slips and go in groups with witnesses that run good times. Sometimes the witnesses are Ford Ligntning owners who also have a tough time beleiving the numbers. I have run a 14.9 in a pretty stock Dakota I used to own at Sears Point, and I'm positive my R/T was faster then that bone stock. I lived with both trucks for a long time, as daily drivers and the R/T was noticibly faster off the line, through the gears, and at the top end. It was certainly in the 14's stock, no I never ran it at the track, let alone a sea level track. We live to far from any track to make it an enjoyable evening at the drags. I guess I just had one of those "good ones" I keep hearing about.
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Joe
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4.7's are running low 15's to mid 15's RC/mid 15's to low 16's CC.
Lightning's are running high 13's to mid 14's
Contrary to your belief, I am not a pro-4.7/pro-lightning R/T basher. I am against people claiming bullѕhit times. Why lie?
You really should try to make it to an enjoyable evening at the track. Make sure you visit the "pits" and see actual timeslips.
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Joey
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Does anyone know if i will pass emmisions if i get the r/t cam, 1.6 roller rockers, and cylinder heads? its very important so i dont have to keep takin the engine apart. also, would these mods make a big difference or should i just go with the 1.7 rockers and the heads?
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BASIC_SPEED
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Well I have been to the 1\4 every year that i've owned my 1999 R\T. The best I could come up with was low 17's and that is why I am doing all the modes that I am currently under taking. I am hoping for 14's.
Good Luck to all of you inexperienced R\T owners.
Hope to see you at the mile high strip.
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Daksmack
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My 2000 QC 4.7 does 12.5's...Everythings faster here in Texas.
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