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Joe E.
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1/11/2003
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I have a 1990 Dak V6er. Wanting to replace the 6 with a mid to late 80s 318. I need onfo on the best rebuild kits out there for this 318. Also who makes a mild cam for it. Possibly Crane. And new RR. Also intake. Possibly edelbrock. And a good size and brand header to go with.
I am looking to run alittle over 200 HP at least. Any info on getting a older318 up there would br appreciated.
Oh, and what tranny would work? Have thought about a 727. ???
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Joe E.
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kellen
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If you got a 92 or up 318, it would be magnum, which produces significantly more horsepower than the older, non-magnum motors. You would be pushing it to get 200 bhp out of a non-magnum with reletively stock components, but if the power is what you are looking for, I would suggest looking into a magnum motor.
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Joe E.
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Hey thanks fpr the help. The only problem is that when installing a Mag 318 into my non mag truck, major electrical issues arrise. Along with the mounts, and tranny bolt up. Id love to put one of those Mag with 230 hp in my truck. But in real life, it would be really complex. Thanks again. Have a good one.
Joe E.
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POWER HUNGRY
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1/12/2003
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Is your motor carb or tbi?
www.hughesengines.com has the most parts for the LA318(cams,stoker kits,etc.)
A good Mopar Performance dealer site to go to for parts and to see whats available is http://www.mopartsracing.com/parts/a.html
If your motor runs a carburetor, a 650/edelbrock performer intake/1.6rr/hedman or hooker headers and a hughes,ultra dyne cam can easily make 275hp.
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91DakotaFreak
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1/12/2003
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the pre mag 318 had 260ftlbs at 2000rpm this with a set of headers and exhaust plus a few other minor mods you should be around the 200-210 range. I have been told this by other guys on the forum i have also talked with people at chrylser but nobody gives a firm # for hp i have gotten #'s ranging from 170-220hp and 300ft My service manual claims the 260 but has nothing on the hp if it is 170 it doesnt feel like it. If i were you i would go with a pre mag then have it bored .030 over and put a 4" crank in it (390 stroker) and then get the 100hp special that hughes has ad have the heads ported and polished and get roller rockers. That i would gues would give you around 300 hp.
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CW
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1/13/2003
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I have a carbed 318 that dynoed at 275hp. It runs fairly well and is cheap to build.
4.7 HO, CW style
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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Joe E.
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1/13/2003
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Hello, how did you do that? Let me on on ypur secret. I have been told that with a few mods, heads, intake, cam, carb etc, you can get alittle over 200hp. I am speaken of a mid 1980s 318 too. Not a mag. CW, please hook me up here.Later.
Joe E.
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bludakman
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1/13/2003
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mopar performance 420231 cam & lifters (part number is from memory and may not be exact but close)
dual plane alum. intake manifold
Holley 650 vac. secondary
stock 360 heads (have bigger ports/valves)
headers or true dual exhaust system
These are good mods. for an LA series 318/360
expect well over 200 hp and an awesome lumpy idle (if you have ever listened to Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" - the drum intro is what mine sounded like)
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4wDakota
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1/14/2003
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You should be able to run a magnum block and heads and a pre-91 intake manifold with a V8 TBI
You can also get a 4 barrel intake for a newer magnum 318 and run a carburator.
Corey
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3" Body Lift, 1" Torsion Bar Lift, 33" BFG A/T KO's
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rtdkota
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1/14/2003
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You should be able to easily get 200 hp out of LA318...
My wife's 72 wagon has a 318 w/stock heads, Edelbrock mild cam/dual plane intake/600 CFM carb, stock exhaust manifolds (cracked, oops), dual exhaust w/H pipe...
With a 3.23 rear gear, it put down 164 rwhp, and 260 ft. lbs. of torque... figure a 20% driveline loss, that equates to ~200-205 hp at the flywheel, and 320 torque a the the flywheel. Not bad for a Brady bunch vehicle! I will retest it after I replace the manifolds with headers and a revised exhaust (the existing stuff was a hack job from whoever owned the car before us).
Sam
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powerwagonman
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1/16/2005
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If your looking for quick power, a new intake and four barrel make a big differenc. Add some headers and 2 and 1\2 exhaust, and that 318 will run like a whole new engine. If your looking for a lot of torque I'd suggest looking into Comp Cams for whats called the purple cam. These few simple modifications will keep you very satisfied.
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Mike S.
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1/16/2005
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I have a 91 Dakota and in the quest for more power I decided to do away with the TBI and go Carbed. Before I intalled the stroker kit and Edelbock RPM heads and intake I ran a Edelbrock performer intake and a 650 vac secondaries carb. I also ran a small Hughes cam. This was with my stock 318 heads, The motor ran very well and was just as fast as my dads 98 with a magnum 318. 200+hp should be fairly easy to get with a carbed 318 and stock heads. As a matter of fact I have a nice set of heads with less than 2000 miles on them,1.6 crane roller rockers and that Hughes cam that I'd like to get rid of. If your interested in those or would like more info on switching to a carb email me at Mikeqc12@insightbb.com
Mike S.
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Joe E.
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1/18/2005
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Any picts of this beast? Souds like you got one bad azz engine. I still have my 6er. I started having starting issues and decided to drive another car. I got ride of it and started resto on my 85 Mustang GT. Now Im used to having a quick V8. Couldnt go back to my 6er dak. Im thinkin of looking for a rough body/good engine frame Ram from late 80s and taking my dak body interior etc and gettin it on the ram running gear. Then i could have a 4x4 setup with a V8 and wider selection of suspension lifts. And still have my nice dak but with stronger innards. Anyone ever done anything like this???
AS for your parts, cant use them right now. But thanks. Have a good one.
Joe E.
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Mike S.
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1/18/2005
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OH I've only got about 1000 pics LOL.. As for your swap, anything can be done with money and good old hard work. I've not seen a swap like that but it would be awsome if someone done it. Good luck with the truck.
Mike S.
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Joe E.
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1/19/2005
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Hey shoot me a pict or 2 of the engine and truck. my email is joelliott82@hotmail.com
Id love to see picts. About my project, since my truck isnt my daily driver now, Ill have plenty of time to tinker and mes with it. Well see what happens. Anythings possible.
Joe E.
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Mike S.
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gen1dak
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In a quick scan of things, Joe E., I didn't see where you stated how you wanted to set the engine up. I may have missed it, but do you want a carb setup, or are you trying to run the Magnum Fuel injection? The key differences in the published power numbers of the LA and Magnum 318's are mainly due to three major differences, and they are basic hot-rod techniques. The Magnum has more cam, better flowing heads than the LA 318, and better exhaust. There have been several articles in the past 2 years on 400HP (at around 6000 rpm) 318's. Some used 360LA heads, others used Magnum conversion heads, along with better cam and an intake that matched the 360-sized intake ports. Even the stock 318 heads will net over 300hp with a good cam and induction setup. The common theme. More air in, more power output. So, taking an LA 318 and letting it breath a little better will easily surpass the 200HP at the wheels goal. The question remains, carb or injected?
On mounting, the Magnum blocks have the same mount points as the V6 you have now, the LA's do not. Schumacher sells a bolt-in kit to remedy this. The tranny, starter, oil pump...stuff like that will swap out. You also need to be aware of the belt drive system. Magnums use a serpentine drive system. LA's do not. Now, either system can be swapped to either block, as long as you use the proper parts. Magnum water pumps and fans run counter-clockwise, LA's run clockwise. So, you can swap out your V6 system onto an LA318, it'll all bolt up. If you get a Magnum block, you can put all your V6 stuff on as well...everything from the timing cover forward. If you choose to use the Magnum system, your LA water pump and fan cannot be used.
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Joe E.
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1/20/2005
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Hows it goin. What I was initially thinking was basically taking the body, interior, etc off my Dak frame. Then getting a full size roller locally with a good frame and engine and suspension. Then basically fab the Dakota body onto the full size frame. Thus it would net me a 4x4 suspension which is more condusive to lifting and tires. It would net a larger engine (whether it be carbed or EFI and anything from a 318 to a 440) and a 4x4 tranny/tcase setup. My V6er just doesnt have the power I want/need (for mainly towing a boat). Nor the ability to lift it any more than the current 5 inchs. It also would be expensive to swap out a 4wd running gear. I can find local Rams and such for only a couple grand. Get my fabricator buddy to help me swap the body over to the Ram and have a good strong truck, that looks like a dak.
I know..... Why not just buy a Ram and sell the dak. Not gonna happen. Thats why I want a truck with a crap body but decent bones. Crazy project I know, but I have another daily driver mustang so Im in no hurry.
GenIdak, Good info on the 318 LA or Mag tho. Ill keep that in mind when I get started.
Mike S., got your picts. Amaizing Dak dude.
later.
Joe E.
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Dakota318
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This whole post was alot of good info. thanks to all
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