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Mike Pine
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12/31/2002
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Hey guys, I need some real knowledge here. I have a 93 Dakota Club Cab with the 318 and 4 speed auto tranny. The truck has 235,000 miles on it and the engine is starting to feel a bit tired. It's time for an engine swap and I thought that since I was going to have to yank the 318 then why not drop in a 360 in its place? More horsepower and more torque! What I need to know is can I use the engine wiring harness from the 318 on the 360 or would I have to change the harness as well? I know that somewhere within the 86 pages of post here that the question has probably already been answered but I'd appreciate it if someone who REALLY knows what they're talking about could please answer my question here. Whatever engine I buy will be based on whatever KNOWLEDGIBLE answers I get here. Thanks in advance for your help and Happy New Year!
Mike
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Joseph
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12/31/2002
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Eat it, don't lick it
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Joseph
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12/31/2002
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Eat it, don't lick it
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b1llyw
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12/31/2002
10:22:38
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I'll apologize for the moron who posted before me. Yes you can use your 318 wiring harness. Here's is what you HAVE to swap:
Need a 360 flexplate or add weights to your torque converter (your 318 is internally balanced but your 360 is external)
Need a 360 harmonic balancer (hopefully will be on your donor motor already), if not about $100
Here is what you SHOULD swap:
Get a set of good 19lb injectors. Your 360 will run with the 318 injectors, but it will run much better with a higher quality injector with a better flow rate.
Get a 360 computer, preferably a MOPAR performance computer. Your 318 computer will run your 360, but the 360 computer will run it better.
If you can find a good running 360 locally, great. Mopar now sells a nice 360 Magnum short block, including an R/T cam, for as little as $1200. They also have a 360 MPI long block, including R/T cam, M-1 manifold, and Cast valve covers, for about $3000.
Bill White - 2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 9.25, 1995 Dakota CC, 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 8.25
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Mike Pine
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1/01/2003
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Hi Bill!
Hey, thanks for the help! What I was planning on doing was buying a remanned 360 long block from the local auto parts store and then swapping their cam for a higher torque one. Then I was going to use the Chrysler high performance 360 pcm. I figure the 360 engine will already come with the right injectors, but I may go with a higher psi injector as you recommended. I was also going to swap out the stock throttle body for a larger one and then go with a cold air induction system. I'm planning on pulling a 26FT travel trailer with my truck so any extra ponnies I can get under the hood would sure help. The flip said of that is being able to have a little traffic light fun with some of those Mustangs and Camaroes, etc. hehe.
Mike
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Mike Pine
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1/04/2003
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Hi again Bill,
I was wondering if you are a Dodge service tech or have otherwise done the same engine swap I'm contemplating? The reason I ask is because you seem to be pretty knowledgable about the topic and that just made me curious.
Mike Pine
93 Dakota Club Cab LE - Stock :(
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b1llyw
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1/04/2003
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I'm not a service tech, just a hardcore fan. I love this stuff and just try to soak up as much info as I can. When I was first getting into the whole Dodge truck scene a lot of people helped me out. I just try and to the same.
I had a 2000 Ram with a blown 408 motor. The truck got destroyed in a fire. Yeah, it sucked.
That motor is being re-assembled as we speak and getting installed in my '95 Dakota, currently a 318 truck. That's where my knowledge on the 318/360 swap comes in. Same issues as my swap.
Check my profile for my website. I've got a bunch of links I've collected on various clubs, vendors, etc. Might help you out.
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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Mike Pine
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1/04/2003
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That's pretty cool Bill! I'll bet that 95 Dakota will go like a bat out of Hell when you get done with the engine swap! LOL!!
Can you give me the URL for your website? I think I'd like to check that out.
Mike
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b1llyw
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1/04/2003
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http://www.bionicdodge.com
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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Mike Pine
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1/05/2003
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Thanks. I'll be sure to check out your website.
Mike
PS - Any idea if a 440 Magnum will fit in a Dakota?
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b1llyw
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1/05/2003
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Yes, it will. Obviously, some mods are needed. Here's a site for you:
http://www.engine-swaps.com/
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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Mike Pine
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1/05/2003
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Thanks again for the link to engineswap.com. Wouldn't that be some s**t to have a 440 in a Dakota?! hehe. I think you could pretty much eat all the Fords and Chevy's for lunch that you'd want to! LOL!!
Mike
PS - Thanks for answering all my post. I appreciate your time and knowledge.
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jimmy
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2/07/2003
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hello
i have a ram 2500 4x4 i am thinking of doing the same thing. did you do change motors? if so did you run up on any problems?
and thanks to bill for the info.
so far as i can find right now his info is right on :)
thanks for any info.
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Mike Pine
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2/07/2003
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Hi Jimmy,
No, I haven't swapped my engine YET, but would like to really bad! Bill directed me to engine-swaps.com and there I found a company in Seattle called Schumacher Enterprises and they sell complete conversion kits to allow you to drop a big block into your truck with no cutting or welding required. They claim that their kit will bolt a 383,400,440 right up to the OEM motor mount holes, etc and they even have provisions that allow you to use your factory AC and power steering. They even sell adapter plates to allow you to fit the big block to your exsisting tranny if you so desire. The swap kit for my 93 Dakota is $650 if I remember right. Might be about the same for your Ram.
By the way, if you are planning on dropping a 440 in your truck then might I suggest a 1968/69 model year 440. I looked up the specs for that engine and it has either 350 HP @ 4400 RPM and 480 ft.lbs torque @ 2800 RPM OR it was also produced with 375 HP @ 4600 RPM and 480 ft.lbs @ 3200 RPM. I guess it depends on exactly which 440 you get your hands on. I got my info online from the 440MAGNUM Network in case you'd like to do a little research of your own. Hope this has been a little help to you. Good luck!
Mike
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steve
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2/07/2003
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save your self some time and money and go with mp 360/380hp crate motor.mopar muscle mag. did a dyno article feb 2003 motor dyno at 400hp plus ,put the $600 to better use then mounts
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b1llyw
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2/07/2003
10:01:37
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Really? Well you have to modify the 360/380 for fuel injection because it's not set up for it. You have to figure out a an electric fuel pump setup, because the 360/380 is designed for a mechanical pump. You need another oil pan because the 360/380 has a center sump pan for a car instead of a rear sump pan for a truck. You can't run your air conditioning with the 360/380. And if you live anywhere where there is emission testing, the cam profile on the 360/380 is never going to pass smog. The 360/380 is going to cost you $3600 too.
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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Batteryman
Dodge Dakota
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2/07/2003
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I just did a 318/360 swap on a 96 Dodge Truck. Just for informations sake: The Harmonic Balancer ran me $121+tax. Good information above.
I tried the 318 computer with the 360 but mine ran really bad until I put in the new 360 computer. The Mopar performance computer will require higher octane gas 91 or higher. If you go to get a stock computer the dealer will tell you you they can't order it without you current computer part number. If you give them the part number they will give you another 318 computer. What a joke! I found a guy with a 96 truck that had the same options as mine and used his Computers part #. The computer came and it works great now.
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bateryman
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2/07/2003
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B1llyw,
Thanks for the good information. Having just done the conversion, I'm currently running the 318 injectors. I may investigate running the 360 injectors. You mentioned 19lb injectors. Any idea what these cost? Any ideas on what the current 318 injectors are capable of delivering?
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b1llyw
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2/07/2003
14:50:03
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We run the same style injectors as Ford Motorsports/Bosch injectors. Ours are made by Siemens. If you take a Siemens rated at 19lbs and an FMS injectors rated at 19lbs, the FMS is better. They will actually flow more fuel and flow it more consistently. Bruce Holt at Fiveomotorsport (yes, a Ford guy) has great prices on injectors.
http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_Sets.asp
They're around $165 a set. That's where I got the injectors going on my 408.
I don't have the specs on what a 96 is rated at.
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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racinman
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2/09/2003
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a whole lot of good info here
i am going to order a 360 from jasper next week
i am going to try to stay with the 318 injectors will need a flex plate and a harmonic balancer for the 360. i am going to a heavy duty plate type transmisson cooler and a heavy duty raditor.
i am also ordering a 360 computer from dodge.
hope this all works :)))
will let you all know when we are done in about 2 weeks.
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janesy
Dodge Dakota
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2/10/2003
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Anybody know if a mopar performance computer for a 318 will work with a 360? oh ya its a 93
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b1llyw
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2/10/2003
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Will it work? Yes. Is it the best solution, no. I'd get a Mopar 360 PCM.
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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Jason Teague
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2/10/2003
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Don't forget about the oil pan. 318 and 360 pans are different. The truck 360 pan wont fit a Dak. You need a Durango or R/T Dak pan (same pan) to work. You also need the matching pick-up tube also.
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Mike Pine
Dodge Dakota
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2/12/2003
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Janesy,
I asked Lithia Dodge of Eugene, OR that same question and they told me the same thing that Bill told you. It will work, but the engine will run like S**t!
Mike
PS - Look at it this way, since you're going to have to buy the 360 PCM it's a great excuse to buy the high performance one! hehe. Retails at your local Dodge dealer for $260.00
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slowdakota
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2/12/2003
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I've got a 1997 2.5L 4 cyl dakota. It has 100,250miles on the original engine. I would like to swap it for a V8 to get more power. Is there anyone out there to help me??
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Mike Pine
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2/13/2003
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Hey Slowdakota,
Go to www.engine-swaps.com. That will take you to the website of Schumacher Creative Enterprises in Seattle, WA. They sell conversion kits to allow you to put a V-8 in your Dakota without any cutting or welding, etc. They even sell a 440 V-8 conversion kit for around $650 bucks if you wanted to get really wild with things! :) Good luck!
Mike
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jacob aikey
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2/13/2003
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i amcurrently selling a 2001 5.9 out of my dakota. i justblew my tranny for the fourth time and the motor has only 42,074 miles on it
i would like to get $1200 for it.
if interested wright to me at jviper426@aol.com
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Mike Pine
Dodge Dakota
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2/14/2003
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Jacob,
What tranny are you running in your Dakota and what were you doing to blow it? I have the A518 automatic in mine and I was thinking of putting a big block in front of it. Any info about your tranny failure would be valuable to me.
Thanks!
Mike
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jacob aikey
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2/14/2003
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i don't know why they keep blowing
i like to put the pedal to the floor alot but i would hope that is not the reason for the problems
i don't know what tranny modle i have except that it is an automatic 2001 quad cab 4x4
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Mike Pine
Dodge Dakota
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2/15/2003
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If your truck is a 2001 then you most likely have that newer all electronicaly controled tranny. I forget the model number, but they're supposed to be pretty good. Might I suggest though that when you drop the hammer to the floor that you first lock out your overdrive (eg, turn it off). Romping on the gas from a dead stop with the overdrive turned on has the same effect on the tranny as if you were pulling a heavy load with it on. Neither is good for the tranny and I've been told that in both our trannys the overdrive section is what usually takes it in the shorts if you don't lock it out before pulling or racing. Hope that helps.
Mike
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Jimmy Goodman
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2/19/2003
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hello all
i have the engine swap done.
the 360 went in without a hich for the most part
parts i replaced were torque converter harmonic balancer and computer.
we put the 318 oin pan on the new motor and when we cranked it up it was tapping in the front.
i ordered a new 360 oil pan and they were identicly ( not sure on the speling:)) the same.
there is a sheet metal flat tube in the inside of the oil pan for the dip stick. that is all that it hit. we had to cut that back about 1/2 inch and the 318 oil pan worked fine.
i changed the flex plate also but the one that was on the 318 was exactly the same.
we ran the truck for a while on the 318 computer and it ran fine.
so in my humble opinion when you do this change this is what you will need to change.
torque converter, harmonic balancer, and computer.
the computer and flex plate i dont think really need to be changed. but i thought we have done all this work whay not. :))
hope this helps some one out there :)
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