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sniper
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12/13/2004
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my 4.7 cc auto beats every r/t where i live. the only daks that give me a run are the 5.2s, and they are 5 spds. r/t=more money, worse gas mileage, hurt feelings when you get passed by a base model 4.7 with a grandpa driving. even krc performance told me themselves on the phone, that the 4.7 and hemi are the motors of the future for dodge. they are lighter, smaller, better fuel economy, and produce the same or more power.
last time i was at the track the r/ts were running 15s. i have very few mods and i ran 14.7s on 235/60/15s. we all drive dakotas here, so quit ragging eachother anyway.
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clint
Dodge Dakota
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12/14/2004
20:37:11
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very cool story dennis and i hope to one day have a truck like that. and sniper have you ever heard of the saying... beleive none of what you hear and half of what you see? well thats what i think. id like to see your truck beat a 5.9 w/ the same mods. thats the hole point here isnt it? motor against motor not mods against mods. an no one is raggin each other were haveing a debate
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Jim
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12/15/2004
08:38:17
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I would like to know what you did to your 4.7? I have a 2002 Dodge Dakota 4.7 mag and I have been thinking of putting some mods on it I just don't know what to get. Can you help?
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WipLash
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12/15/2004
13:56:04
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I guess I've never ran against a heavily modded (or slightly modded 4.7L) to know if one could beat me or not. They do get the jump on me on the interstate some times because the 5spd auto Dodge is putting behind the 4.7L kicks down lightning fast whereas my R/T's auto delays a long time before downshifting. I still catch and pass every one that has ever challenged me on the interstate. Red light to red light no 4.7L has even came close to beating me. The only mods I have are a MP PCM and headers. I had a 2002 4.7L RC and it was fun to drive. It got 3mpg better gas mileage with the 4.7L, but I got tired of Toyota Tundras beating my ass at the red light and on the interstate. Tundras don't even challenge the R/T. They know better.
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clint
Dodge Dakota
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12/15/2004
20:23:14
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thats funnie wiplash..? i test drove an r/t and it had alot done to it including a supercharger. it was pusting at least 450 horses. i dont know if it had a new trans but if i tapped the gas it woud shift twice "from 4th to 2nd" and it woudl go from 2.5 grand to at least 4 grand in a sec. it loved to be ripped on. it was really nice cuz it woud be right at the powerband. and it also didnt shift out of 3rd until 100mph neither so i do think it had a diff. trans or at least a moded trans. it was so fast. at 50 mph if you gunned it "not floored it" it would rip the tires. not churp them but it would rip them up until at least 65. it was crazty fast. i grantee that it would beat any of your guyses 4.7s at any speed highway or strip if it had traction
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sniper
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12/16/2004
20:11:41
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clint and wiplash, all i can say is come to louisiana and see me beat the r/ts so you can believe it. i just raced a r/t cc with a mopar pcm, fipk, headers, and, flowmasters. i had him until about 75-80mph. the 4.7l just doesnt have that much on top end. the r/t just isnt quick off the line and the 4.7 is. i have fipk, removed clutch fan, .75tps, relocated iat, no torque limiter, and flowmaster. it is also lowered 3/5. i will scan my time slips and send them to whoever doesnt believe me.
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JC
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12/18/2004
08:28:54
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The r/t isn't quick off the line? With the obscene amount of torque they have, something is wrong if they aren't "quick" off the line.
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Joey
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12/19/2004
14:33:44
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the 4.7 auto tranny has a much steeper first gear ratio then the r/t. i believe its a 3.0 on the 4.7 compared to a 2.45 on the r/t. that one gear makes up for the 50 ft-lbs of extra torque that the 5.9 produces. the 5.9 engine is a more powerful engine period....it has 20 more hp (230 vs 250) and torque is 295 vs 345ft-lbs. its the tranny that makes the truck perform about equal to a 4.7 liter dakota.
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ho ho ho
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12/23/2004
19:53:36
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I think sniper is a little bit drunk, and he has confused the 5.9 with a 3.9 just because they both have a 9............
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AtlDak
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12/23/2004
20:07:06
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Oh sh*t! Who started this topic again? Here we go again.... around and around the merry-go-round! Take your pick both are great motors. Lets face it, its a pissing and build up contest. Anyone that cares about HP doesnt care about stock anyways. It comes down to how deep your pockets are. No matter what motor. Havent you ever seen a 60's VW in the 10's??? LOL. Its never about the motor, its all about the money.
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Joey
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12/25/2004
01:08:52
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yes but these people think that they can compare a 4.7 to a 5.9. u see the power differences its obvious. say both engines dame with the 46re tranny. the 5.9 would easily win the battle. ok so people please, just because ur 4.7 comes wit a better tranny doesnt mean u have a better engine. lataaa.
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huskerrt79
Dodge Dakota
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1/06/2005
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I have an 02 RT CC with an AEM brute force intake and throttle body spacer, Jet 180degree thermastat, an Iat sensor chip, and v-force catback duel exhaust. When I raced a 02 RC 4.7 5speed, that had almost the same mods, I blew him away off the line and kept pulling away the whole way!
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John Avram
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1/06/2005
19:37:06
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I'm almost ready to buy a 2001 quad cab with a 4.7/5spd. It's a really nice truck, but nowhere close in performance to my old 2000 R/T ext cab. It wasn't exactly the fastest vehicle in the world either, but bone stock it could keep up to any so-called hotrod Mustang. I couldn't always pass them, but they couldn't pass me either. Hey, it's a truck.
Do some reading on the 4.7 motor. It's a nice little package for the street but I wouldn't expect too much power without a LOT of internal beefing. A 4.7 has more power potential than it's ability to hold together. The block, crank, rods and heads are all light-weight products of cost-cutting. Blame that on the bean counters! It was made to be a smaller, lighter, more efficient STOCK engine than the 5.2 or 5.9 - a motor that really hasn't changed much since the 60's when it was introduced as a 273, which was ironically derived from the 331-354-392 series early hemi.
The 4.7 ports and combustion chambers are almost a direct copy of the old 318 poly or "semi-hemi" of the late 50's-60's. The LA 318-340-360-5.2-5.9 motors have much more performance potential due to years of R&D and aftermarket support.
The best thing Chrysler ever did was to properly design a small-block hemi. It's a very powerful engine based on some of the old and some of the new. It is, after all, a pushrod motor. If I was to do anything to get more horses under the hood, I'd rip out the 4.7 when it's ready to croak and drop a hemi in. Until then, I'm sure I'll be happy with the 4.7. It has more power than the old 5.2 and gets way better mileage than a 5.9. Can't complain about that.
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A Happy 4.7L
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1/07/2005
10:20:51
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huskerrt79,
You have to make sure that the other vehicle is racing to call it a race and Say You Won.
Joey,
"If" a Frog Had a Glass A$$ he wouldn't hop but one time. The World is full of Ifs, if Hitler would a committed Suicide in prison before he became the Supreme Dude in Germany WW II Would have never happened. If the R/T had the option of a 5 Speed they would destroy the 4.7L 5 Speed instead of suck hind teat. If your Aunt had balls she would be your Uncle. Get the point.
This is one of the reasons that there are so many choices, because everyone sees things different.
I have a 6.68 Liter 360 in a Duster, (now figure that one out you geniuses you) but I wouldn't put it in my Dakota. Strong Engine, but not practical. 4.7L is more practical and fun with a 5 Speed.
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genius 1
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1/07/2005
12:43:52
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6.68 litre = 407.6386 cu.in.
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nitetrain
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1/07/2005
14:27:13
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The tranny in the R/T is the same 727 torque flite from the muscle car era, except it has an over drive unit. It is a mechanical shift, vs the 4.7 tranny, has an electronic shift. Put a converter and shift kit in your R/T tranny, and it will launch hard!!!! I have both R/T RC,2000, and RC Dak, 2002. The R/T is much better in my opinion, but like them both!!!!!!!!1
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Joey
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1/08/2005
20:22:39
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interesting anologies man but all im sayin is that people are tryin to say the 4.7 is better than the 5.9. motor to motor the 5.9 is more powerful period. its the other parts of the drivetrain that make the two engines perform almost identical.
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grandpaw
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7/30/2005
04:17:50
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I have a 2000 dak sport quadcab with a 4.7l 5 speed stick it's bone stock and has power to boot. it peels off in first & second gear, I've never taken it to the track but it has held its own verses most that have come against me,including 2003 mits eclips i was running 120 m.p.h in 4th gear and was half a car length ahed all the way. I never did get a chance to shift to fith. I'm running 30x9.5x15's. The only one that has kicked my *&% was a crysler 300 with a hemi.
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318SPRT
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7/30/2005
23:03:05
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I have a 98 4x4 and before buying I test drove 3 other dakotas (all 4.7's) and I ended up buying one w/ the 5.2. I'm just tired of people saying that the 4.7 is more powerful. It had 5 more horsepower in 2000 then got bogged down w/ emissions. It has the same horsepower as the 318 from 2001 on. It has 5 ft/lbs less torque than the 5.2 and last time I checked torque is just as important as horsepower especially in a truck. BTW. Just to clear one thing up. The 4.7 is NOT a hemi!!!!!!!! Oh. I would have bought the one w/ the 4.7 but the dealer wouldn't deal any lower on the price. The 4.7 is a good engine but I just don't like people saying one engine is better than another.
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Red 99 Dak RT
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7/31/2005
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I don't know why the arguement, Look at what you have. GM/Ford/Toyota doesn't compare when you put the complete package together. I mean, Power with looks and the big thing is the FUN. The only complaint I have is with the new Dakotas. I think Dodge ruined the looks of the Dakota by squaring off the fenders and putting on the Mercedes front end. I do love the Suicide Doors. They should have started that bac in '97.
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