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kicker01
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11/04/2002
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Well I got the CF dual Friction put in Fri :) I can definately tell a difference from how the stocker felt. It deffinately feels like it holds better and more positive while accelerating. But one concern I have is while in neutral there is a rattling noise coming from the clutch area in the trans. It goes away when I engage the clutch or when accelerating in gear. I was told that its just the weight system in the clutch thats making the noise while its rotating.
Has anyone else with a CF clutch experienced this noise?
Thanks
Steve
'01 RC 4.7 5spd
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xplikt
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11/04/2002
01:38:01
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Did you do the install yourself?
How's stop-and-go driving?
-Mike
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2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
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kota on 20s
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11/04/2002
01:39:01
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i noticed that when i shift, and start to gas it again, the rpm's still drop a few 100 rpm's. did you notice that, and if so, did the centerforce cure the problem?
how many miles were on the truck? did you notice any power gain, or quicker revs out of it?
if you did it yourself, how hard was it?
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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xplikt
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11/04/2002
01:55:08
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Funny how he asks a question and get bombarded with more questions. Sorry 'bout that.
-Mike
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2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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kota on 20s
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11/04/2002
02:01:20
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LOL, yeah sorry about that.
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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Cotharyus
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11/04/2002
07:20:00
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Every vehicle I've ever owned had a rattle near the clutch, even my dak - the rattle stops if I push the clutch in if I'm just sitting in neutral - otherwise its basicly there all the time, but once you start to move you generally can't hear it - ie, it stays the same volume and pitch all the time as well.
2001 QC 4x4, 4.7,5 spd, LSD, 255/70-15's, K&N Gen II Intake, Robert Shaw 180 Stat, Hanson Enterprise custom front bumper, Highflow cat
Check out my Dak
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kicker01
Dodge Dakota
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11/04/2002
15:49:14
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Fortunately I had help installing the CF. It was quite a job to drop the tranny without a lift. Although it doesnt weigh a ton it still requires at least 2 people to drop it out. The biggest pain was sliding the tranny out past the precats. After that putting the clutch on the flywheel wasnt soo bad.
Anyhow, the driveablility on the street hasnt changed hardly at all. The pedal feels a little different, just a little bit more firm to push in. I havent push the truck too hard since the install. It turns out I accidently installed the shifter tower gasket upside down which cause me to leak tranny fluid out from the top of it. Luckily I noticed it a few days ago and was able to fix it yesterday. So now that I added back the lost tranny fluid just today i will be able to let her rip. Cya, Steve.
'01 RC 4.7 5spd
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kicker01
Dodge Dakota
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11/04/2002
23:37:30
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I like this!!! Got a nice chirp in third gear while giving it the go pedal. Each gear engages way more positive than before. It was definately worth the hastle of installing it.
Even though centerforce only lists the clutch up to year 2000 for the dakota, it seems to fit 2001 just fine.
Steve
'01 RC 4.7 5spd
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/05/2002
02:58:35
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so you got the stage III? isnt that a race clutch?
how many miles were on the truck?
where did you get it?
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kicker01
Dodge Dakota
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11/05/2002
08:18:28
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i got the dual friction clutch which is I guess a stage III . Only had 22,000 on the stock clutch before it went out. And I ordered it from KRC performance.
Steve
'01 RC 4.7 5spd
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Chris
Dodge Dakota
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11/05/2002
09:39:53
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How long has anyone had one fo these last? In comparison how long did your factory clutch last?
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Chris
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/05/2002
09:45:06
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how much was it from krc?
i have 84k on my stock clutch, and i am thinking of replacing it before i HAVE to.
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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cudashoe
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11/05/2002
12:29:53
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did you change your throw-out bearing as well, or did you just use the stock one?
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BadAndy
Dodge Dakota
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11/05/2002
15:33:07
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I had my stock clutch last 15K miles before it went out when I missed a 2-3 upshift, doh!
So, far the Centerforce DF has been in for almost 20K miles and even though not as strong as it was when it was new, it still is very strong and much better than a factory clutch, plus it was $20 cheaper than the factory clutch through Summit!! and yes when changing any clutch it's highly reccomended to swap the throw out bearing too, they're only about $20 anyway.
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BadAndy
Dodge Dakota
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11/05/2002
15:53:54
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Also just to add, anyone looking for the CTF-DF clutch, go to Summit. It's only $260.00. Part #CTF-DF735552 w/ CTF-N1764 for the T.O. Bearing. That's the one I have in my truck, even though their webpage doesn't have it in the application guide. But it's an 11" dia. 1 1/8"-10 spline input shaft size. It's the exact same as part# ctf-df972972, which is what is recommended for our 4.7 Dak's, but it costs $120 more and is back-ordered as of today. Hmmm, can we say price gouging??
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Chris
Dodge Dakota
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11/05/2002
16:07:20
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To me 20k on the centerforce and you say that it is not as strong as it was, that worries me. I want to buy a clutch that I can beat on for a long time. Does anyone make a Kevlar for the 4.7 yet?
Chris
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kicker01
Dodge Dakota
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11/05/2002
17:31:03
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i replaced my throwout bearing as well.
Thats interesting BadAndy, I wouldnt have thought about ordering that clutch as its listed for a GM/Jeep application. Oh well, Im stuck with mine I guess.
Steve
'01 RC 4.7 5spd
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Dakzila
Dodge Dakota
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11/05/2002
19:17:13
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Hey Steve I have the slicks ready to go. Let see if you can brake this one.
Mike
p.s. I picked up a tow rope.
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KRC Tech
Dodge Dakota
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11/05/2002
20:36:33
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Just my two cents...if you are making less than 500 HP the CFDF is the way to go, anymore than that and you need something else. We ate two Centerforces in Tripper Jones truck (S-trim 360)the first was when the truck was first being tuned and the disk exploded, ripped all the clutch off the rivets, and the second was last Friday at the dragstrip. First run almost put the truck into the wall, second, missed 4th gear and third run it lost a bunch of mph (only 112). We are going to try the Ram 6000 series which should handle 600 horsepower.
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kota on 20s
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11/05/2002
20:55:27
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so the CF stage III, would definatly be better than the II, but how long do they last?
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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Bryan
Dodge Dakota
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11/06/2002
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I have 168,000 miles on the factory clutch, and it it holding out pretty good. I am wondering how long the CFDF clutch will last pulling, towing, and hauling heavy loads?
How much did you spend including all parts? Did you have to turn the flywheel ?
I am interested in getting this type of clutch, if it is going to be able to stand up to the abuse I might have to inflict on it.
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BadAndy
Dodge Dakota
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11/06/2002
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Chris,
What I meant by "not as Strong as it was" is simply after the 500 mile no- hard launch break in and I really tested it out it barked the tires in 3rd. Now after 20K miles it doesn't do that, but it will still roast my 285/40/R18 Nitto's half-way through 2nd gear. I would definatley reccomend it for anyone looking for a replacement 4.7 clutch.
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BadAndy
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11/06/2002
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As for price it was about $375-$425 for everything I needed, plus a couple 12 packs of beer for my freind who helped me getting the tranny in and out. No, I didn't get a new flywheel since mine was warped so bad, but I got one from a junkyard and had it turned for about $100.
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Chris
Dodge Dakota
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11/06/2002
13:41:46
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See that worries me. I have 40k miles on my 2nd stock replacement clutch now and it will still grab 3rd as good as it used to. And I broke the clutch diosc on my first one after 32k miles.
Does anyone but centerforce make a clutch for our 4.7l dakotas (preferably a Kevlar)...
Chris
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BadAndy
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11/06/2002
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Chris,
I don't think you have anything to worry about if your getting 40K on a factory clutch. I can bet you don't abuse your clutch as hard as I do with 10" wide rear tires doing burnouts, donuts, 2500rpm launches, missing a shift or two and such. My stock clutch lasted 2 months after I installed my new wheels and tires, and so far I have 20K miles on the CTFDF clutch. I think your trying to find the bazooka to kill the rabbit here. AS far as a Kevlar clutch, you could probably find someone to custom make one if your wallet is deep enough.
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Canucker
Dodge Dakota
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11/06/2002
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Chris .. hard on his truck? noooo .. never ;)
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Chris
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11/06/2002
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My first factory clutch started to slip at 12k miles. At 20 k miles i stopped having fun altogether, at 32k mile sit was just dead (literally, cracked the hub out of it). On the new clutch, very few burnouts (maybe 12), no more speed shifting, no more fun basically.. and all highway miles... I want a clutch I can beat daily and expect it to last forever, is this too much to ask...? So yes I do beat on this truck in general...
Chris
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kicker01
Dodge Dakota
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11/06/2002
19:11:42
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I love the good bark in 3rd gear! It makes me feel like all modifications i have spent money on are paying off finally. The truck hauls a$$ as it is now and I still have alot more to do before I'm satisfied.
If KRC tech(Marty) reads this I would just like to say thank you for helping me out soo much when you really didnt have to. You can expect plenty more of my busniess in the future :)
Steve
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BadAndy
Dodge Dakota
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11/07/2002
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Chris,
Just ask anyone who has the CTFDF clutch what they think of it compared to factory. Steve sure seems like he loves his, and I love mine too. If the same part number clutch I have is spec'd out for a direct replacement for a 455ci 1970 pontiac GTO I don't think you have to worry about putting in a 287ci Dakota. Just ask the KRC Tech, unless your putting more than 500 ponies to the grond you don't have anything to worry about.
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cudashoe
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11/11/2002
22:34:55
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Just installed mine tonight. No new noises, very quiet. Its is smoother than stock, but I did turn the flywheel as well.
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.alex.
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11/12/2002
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The factory service manual says you can't turn the flywheel..... Supposedly it has a convex-shaped face and the only option is to replace it.
Pay attention to how it acts and keep us posted....
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