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d_fl8ted1
Dodge Dakota
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10/29/2002
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can anyone tell me the best supercharger to go with, i have a 1999 dodge dakota 5.2 liter, if anyone could help me i would appreciate it, thanks
your dakota buddy
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b1llyw
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10/29/2002
21:23:48
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I had a Vortech and I would not buy another one. If I was going to get another blower, it would be a Kenne Bell.
Bill White - 2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 9.25, 1995 Dakota CC, 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 8.25
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j
GenIII
10/29/2002
21:46:13
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It depends on what kind of driving you do. Do you have an auto or manual trans? Check out superchargersonline.com or kennebell.net for more info.
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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j
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10/29/2002
21:46:39
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It depends on what kind of driving you do. Do you have an auto or manual trans? Check out superchargersonline.com or kennebell.net for more info.
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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CW
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10/29/2002
21:59:06
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From what I have seen the kenne bell isn't as tunable if you are into modding your truck after the install of the supercharger. With the centrifugal you can adjust the FMU. Most use a FMU from what I have seen.
4.7 HO, CW style
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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Shane
Dodge Dakota
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10/29/2002
22:43:43
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i have a '99 r/t with kenne bell, you can use a after market fmu with it vs. the pre-programed fmu from kenne-bell i dynoed 250rwhp and 350rwtq with 6 psi(for factory engine), my engine is being rebuilt for 16 psi then ill be around 400-450 rwhp. i highly recomend KB for street/strip use.
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MikeD
*R/T*
10/29/2002
22:49:39
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B1llyw...why did you not like the Vortech? I thought they were top of the line next to the ATI Procharger.
~Mike~
Get In...Sit Down...Shutup...& Hangon
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j
GenIII
10/29/2002
23:32:28
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Shane--What mods are you making to handle 16psi?
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
10/30/2002
00:05:24
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Ryan in hawii ran a 13.55 with his only mod being a paxton novi 2000. the engine is BONE STOCK! surfa in hawii, on the same track/conditons runs a best of 13.7 ish, with a kennybell blower, and a 2bbl M1. and he had to do a lot of mods to the fuel system to get it to work right, with anything over 6lbs of boost. (he went from a 6lb pulley, to a 9, now he has a 12lb.) Ryan, on the other hand, runs 10-11lbs (depending on how high he spins the engine) right out of the box.
if you are going to keep the engine stock, only want 6lbs, and like to pull the whole blower off everytime you change the cap and rotor, get the kb.
if you want to go fast, get a vortech or paxton. they are MUCH more user friendly
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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xplikt
GenIII
10/30/2002
00:05:37
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For 16psi I would say everything. When you think about it, it's a lot of stuff.
-Mike
http://www.dodgetruckworld.com/xplikt/
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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kota on 20s
GenIII
10/30/2002
00:09:16
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i hope he has a VERRY good fuel system, and a way to tune it. a lot more damage can be done than just a blown head gasket with that amount of boost.
unless he is BS'ing
can you please list your mods that you have done to the kenny bell, to make it work right at 16lbs?
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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hu3yp
Dodge Dakota
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10/30/2002
00:48:43
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If I were to run 16lbs on my 4.7 I would want a full beburring, head/valve job and new valve and rocker spring assembly, forged pistons and chromoly piston rings. Possibly new rods (5.2). milled heads and block, honed block, upgrade to large head studs. High flow oil, fuel, coolant, and ignition systems. Not sure about the camshafts or crankshaft. The exhaust system would need work Ouch, that's a lot of work when I type it all out. What am I missing?
Although, I've seen WRXs go to 17 without too many problems. Bastards.
I hope he's telling the truth, damn that would be cool.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
10/30/2002
00:53:41
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the 5.2/5.9L engines are a far cry from a WRX! and not anywhere near a 4.7L. the 10 bolt head's are not a good thing to have when using boost. thats why most guys stay around 8-9lbs, and the brave (rich) ones only go to about 13lbs, and thats AFTER building up the bottom end
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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Shane
Dodge Dakota
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10/30/2002
12:19:57
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My engine is being rebuilt with je forged pistons, new steel rods, steel crank, stock cam is best for the supercharger (its got low overlap) mopar aluminum heads already have headers, KB water/alcohol injection, speed pro FMU, new fuel pump and regulator, the compression will be low enuf to run 12 psi with 92 octain and 16 with metanol fuel mix or race fuel.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
10/30/2002
12:47:00
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cool, let us know how it works out.
when do you think it will be together?
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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b1llyw
DakotaEnthusiast
10/30/2002
16:17:49
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Why I didn't like the Vortech:
Noisy - constant aggravating squeal
It ran two ways, rich or lean - never in the middle
Oil leaks (lousy Vortech lubrication system)
Poor throttle response - it felt great on the top end but around town driving
really suffered.
Detonation at anything more than 3 psi.
This was on a 408 motor that was purposely built for the blower in terms of cam, compression, and fuel system, including Roe Racing Controller. It was cool to have but I will never have on a street vehicle again. I'm just lucky I pulled it and sold it before the Ram went up in flames. I'm rebuilding the 408 now for my '95 Dakota and it's staying all motor this time.
Bill White - 2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 9.25, 1995 Dakota CC, 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 8.25
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Daker777
Dodge Dakota
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10/30/2002
22:19:08
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Wow, sorry to hear about your problems with the vortech. I am running one and couldnt be happier with it. I run 8-9lbs out of it on pump gas, with water/alky injection and retard set at 2 degrees. No problems with it so far, knock on wood : ).. I would higly recommend a vortech strim. Unless you money was not an option then i would go with Kotaondubs and get the paxton novi 2000. Scotts looks waaaay pimp. The vortech is also the quietest charger i have heard in my opinion, besides some paxtons that are silent. W
Well there goes my few seconds
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Demon Dakota
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10/31/2002
10:32:46
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Why not run 6 PSi and no timing retard? You would end up making almost the same amount of RWHP. That's something I've never understood, take away timing to add boost. Just throw a 2 stage intercooler and run premium gas plus octane booster and you can run your 9 PSi.
K&N Drop in AF
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
Modified TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
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xplikt
GenIII
10/31/2002
10:47:49
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Hey Demon Dakota, you could say doing that is retarded. Get it! Ok, I'll shut up now..
-Mike
http://www.dodgetruckworld.com/xplikt/
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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kota on 20s
GenIII
10/31/2002
14:16:31
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Demon, i am running 6#'s of boost, and still have to pull 1/2-1 degree per pound of boost. each engine is differant, and the weather makes a big differant on how much timing you have to pull. and i am running 91 octain, 3922 plugs, 180 T-stat.
i dont understand why everyone says to build your own intercooler? it is WAY easier, cheaper, and takes less time to go with the alky/water injection. it basicly does the same thing, which is cools the intake charge.
daker, is just being carefull. he blew the stock head gaskets by getting a little agressive with the timing, but he should be good now. i know a guy running 9-10lbs of boost WITH a mopar pcm, and the alky injection allows him to run with 0 timing taken out
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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Demon Dakota
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10/31/2002
15:39:31
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I'm sure that temp has a lot to do with what pressures you can run, but with an intercooler that part is taken out of the equation (unless you live in Arizona or something, where it's never really good to run much boost). The 4.7L, for example, doesn't need timing taken out when you add boost (even up to 9-10 PSi). Now, hopefully the stock internals will hold under those loads (that I don't know about yet), but using 93 octane, an intercooler, and if need be octane booster, you could easily run 9 PSi with no detonation of any kind (on the 4.7L). Hell most of us are already running colder plugs, and that coupled with the IAT adjuster could get you some pretty good performance. That's my $.02 worth on the matter, so feel free to disagree.
K&N Drop in AF
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
Modified TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
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j
GenIII
10/31/2002
17:46:00
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I'm sorry to say I have to disagree. I'm at 6psi on a 4.7 and I have detonation even with the octane booster. As soon as I move into my new place and will actually have my own parking space, I will be able to put on my water injection kit and try some 3922's.
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/01/2002
01:43:37
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its not a matter of agreeing or dissagreeing, its a matter of fact vs fiction.
who do you know that runs 9-10lbs of boost on a 4.7L with out a up gradded fuel system, and without pulling any timing?? BTW, how did this get switched to the 4.7L?
as i said before, my buddy can run with ZERO timing pulled on his RT WITH running the mopar PCM (which adds even more timing) with his alky injection.
on hot days, even with a IC or alky, there will come a time when you will have to pull SOME timing in order to keep the head gaskets. or you can always add a little more fuel...isnt tuning fun?!!
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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Tim CH
R/T
11/01/2002
09:12:14
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I am also intersted in a supercharger for my 1999 R/T 360.
Does anyone have some experience with the POWERDYNE supercharger. It has a very good price (less than $3000). Vortec is around $3700, Paxton even over $4000).
Tim
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/01/2002
12:11:54
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Tim, i am running a powerdyne. i got mine used and for a good price. if you are going to buy a new one, you would be better off buying a vortech, because by the time you spend the money on buying stuff to make the powerdyne work properly, you could have had the vortech.
e-mail me at kotaondubs@aol.com for details
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, 3" carsound cat, dumped gibson
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MikeD
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11/01/2002
13:09:49
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LOL all these headaches that seem to come along w/ owning a supercharger and keeping it maintained...you can buy a Lightning Killer Package for about the same price as a S/C and run all motor and get the same RWHP if not more then if U added a S/C. I've looked at some of the numbers of people thats put on a S/C on a bone stock engine and I have a good extra 30-40HP over some of them and thats all motor and nothing to maintain or worry about just change the oil regularly. Don't have to worry about blown gaskets or how much boost I have to run to prevent detonation.
Plus its alot more fun when they run over to you asking you to show them your S/C or nitrous bottle and you tell em...nope its all motor. :)
~Mike~
Get In...Sit Down...Shutup...& Hangon
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j
GenIII
11/01/2002
13:30:39
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I think with the 5.9 and 5.2 you have a lot more options available to you as far as engine mods. There just isn't that much out there for the 4.7. I thought the KB would be best for what I wanted.
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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Demon Dakota
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11/01/2002
14:22:35
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j,
Did you have any of the 4.7L detonation problems before you added the S/C?
K&N Drop in AF
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
Modified TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
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j
GenIII
11/01/2002
14:31:28
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I did notice some pinging, but not very often. Not enough to make me start using premium gas. The problem now is not that bad. I just can't go full throttle. It would be nice if I could, just to see what this thing can do.
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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Demon Dakota
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11/01/2002
14:34:39
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I didn't say anything about the fuel system upgrading because I figured that everyone here would know that you would need to have something added to the fuel system to keep up with 9 PSi of boost. That's fact. What's fiction is the fact that you can run from 8-10 PSi depending on quality of gas and atmospheric conditions. If you can't, then why does Ford run those levels in the 5.4L? What's the difference there? Does their ECU pull a ton of timing out but keep the boost levels high? If so, why? You could run 6-7 PSi with no timing retard and make the same HP numbers as 8-10 PSi with the retardation. I've seen plenty of Lightnings that can do this. I've seen all the numbers from the computers and dynos, and they don't need to pull timing out (except under extreme temp conditions). I'm just theorizing here, and I made my statements as such. That's why I posted it. Give me some evidence and numbers. I know the theroy, and I know what I've seen run down here in Georgia. There is no single explanation for S/C'ing, but the more info we get, the more we can do. See what I'm saying?
K&N Drop in AF
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
Modified TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
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Demon Dakota
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11/01/2002
15:06:01
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j,
I never had any pinging with 87 octane, and now I'm running 93 and colder plugs. I also make more power and torque at the rear wheel with true duals and a removed third cat (which supposedly can't happen with the 4.7L). I know that 9 PSi on 93 octane with an intercooler is possible, but it just takes money. And you must know what to upgrade in your truck before you add the boost. Fuel pumps and injectors, computers, and aftermarket air/fuel ratio tuner, and dyno time. I guess the difference between what some others have done and what I'm doing is that they just bolt on boost and then try to make adjustments from there, where as I do some simulations, and talk directly with the designers of the S/C and we make a "one-off" system. That's why computers suck (and the internet). If you guys knew me and how I did things, you'd know where I was coming from. Instead I'm here wasting bandwidth trying to explain my thought process. Oh well, it's been a long week...
K&N Drop in AF
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
Modified TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
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