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Waltherone
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2002
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How important is it to use a torque wrench to put your wheels back on?
I REALLY need to rotate mine, the front ones are rounded off quite a bit, and it's raining a decent amoutn in Houston right now, but I don't have a torque wrench and literally have NO money in my checking account right now. Does it really make THAT much of a difference?
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Dan Gruber
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10/10/2002
03:51:49
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Getting the torque wrong can (so I hear anyway) contribute to rotor warping if they are too tight or not evenly torqued. I have nothing to prove that, just going off of what I've heard others say. But I always make sure mine are torqued correctly and I've got about 43,000 miles on my rotors with no warping and minimal wear. Is there a connection? Don't know for sure.
If I rotate my tires myself (and I usually do) I use a torque wrnech. If I remember correctly the manual says between 85-100 lb-ft. I have checked mine after the dealer has rotated them and found them to be as loose as finger tight to WELL beyond 100 lb-ft, even on the same wheel.
If I were in your shoes, I'd just rotate the tires and make sure that you tighten the lugs fairly evenly. Wait till you have money, then buy a torque wrench.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.92 LSD
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kota on 20s
GenIII
10/10/2002
03:57:57
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rotors start warping when you get into the cross drilled rotors and such. i torque mine at 100 lbs, when i have a torque wrench handy, if not, i torque it untill it feels good enough (by hand) no problems so far.
-Eric
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Waltherone
Dodge Dakota
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10/10/2002
10:45:59
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Alright, I'm on the stock rotors, I'll just tighten by hand for now--how do you get the spare OFF the back?? (never owned a truck before)
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Todd Bouton
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10/10/2002
10:56:39
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I too live in the Houston area.
'Discount Tire' will rotate your tires for FREE!!
NO kidding, always, anytime.
Balancing cost $.
They always torque the lugs.
The spare, take out the wrench and crank it down, good thing you never had a flat in it. It's in a package with the jack.
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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10/10/2002
11:11:35
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No really, it's REALLY free, for the rotation only that is, and they always torque 'em!
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xplikt
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10/10/2002
11:44:38
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I wonder if their idea of torquing is anything like Les Schwab.
Yeah, I'll just use the air socket 'til it clicks and that sounds good.
Or not. Morons.
Texas Todd, you should check them to see what they did them to. All other tire places I have ever been torque it, but they torque it from a range of like 85-115!
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Waltherone
Dodge Dakota
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10/10/2002
12:25:42
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What wrench is for that exactly? All I have is the jack, a pair of lug wrenches (why a pair?) and a pair of lil extension bars that hook to each other in one bigger one. The lil "bolt" if you wanna call it that, that holds the tire up on the steel cable under there, looks like about 1/4" diameter. And also, it's attached the the steel cable, which doesn't appear to have any type of threads.
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BigBlue QC
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10/10/2002
12:41:32
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Like Dan, I have almost 40000 miles on my Dak and not one brake problem. I have heard from many reputable mechanics that lugnut torque is very important nowadays since as a whole the OEM rotors used by most manufacturers are much thinner then they used to be. Not torquing the lugnuts evenly causes un-equal pressure on the rotor and after a short period of time, bingo, you start feeling that pulsation at the brake pedal. Hate to say this but the dealer I get my work done at looked at me cross-eyed when I my usual DC tech about a generic problem for Dakotas and warping rotors. They hardly have any come in for that, actually has more problems with the Rams and guys driving the s**t out of them. I trust what they told me since 1. no problems with mine and 2. the guys are damn near family.
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
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Dan Gruber
GenIII
10/10/2002
17:36:19
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Waltherone,
There'e a hole in your bumper next to your license plate that a rod in your jack kit goes through to fit into a socket mounted behind the bumper. Crank that one way to lower the cable & tire, the other way to lift.
Dan
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Waltherone
Dodge Dakota
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10/10/2002
17:57:14
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OOOOHHHHHH, lmao it IS good I never had a flat, or I woulda been screwed. Thanks Dan!
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Waltherone
Dodge Dakota
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10/11/2002
15:59:30
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Where do you position the jack under the truck (what does it physically touch to lift up) safely?? Don't see any markings under there...
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Big Dak Mike
Dodge Dakota
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10/11/2002
21:36:46
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The front jacking location is on the frame rail just behind the front tire as far forward as possible. In the rear, put the jack on the axle between the shock mount and the leaf springs. You ought to get out that manual and read through it sometime. Lots of useful stuff in there.
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Waltherone
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10/11/2002
21:44:07
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Heh, sorry guys, I know those were all really basic questions, but I got the truck used and with no owners manual, and bought the big service manual, but it doesn't bother with small things like this, and this is my first truck, SO, I just asked here so I could get faster answers and get it done today.
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10/11/2002
23:51:02
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Owners manuals on ebay cheap.
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TonyC
Dodge Dakota
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10/12/2002
11:17:05
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No one mentioned that torquing your lug nuts is most important if you have aluminum alloy wheels. They expand and contract differently than regular steel wheels, and improperly torqued lug nuts have been known to loosen up.
It would really suck if you are driving down the highway and one of your tires passes you!
As far as the rotor warpage: You could ask 100 people an 50 of them would say one thing and 50 would say the other. Look at the way the rotors attach to your spindle. They just fit over the lug studs. I don't see how they could warp because of poorly tightened lug nuts. Dodge rotors are junk.............end of story.
TonyC
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BlackDak02
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10/12/2002
12:01:49
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When torquing wheel lugs also torque in a cross pattern, that is start at 12 o'clock, then 6 o'clock, 3 o'clock, etc. Do not go in succession torquing each lug as this will cause warpage also. Going on 10K miles no problems with brakes so far.
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