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cudashoe
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9/10/2002
18:17:03
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AND are the throttle bodies any different????
2000 4.7 5- speed, 1989 Shelby #799 White
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Canucker
Dodge Dakota
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9/10/2002
18:33:30
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the website doesn't say they're different.
I'm curious about this knock sensor business though ... it says the 4.7L has a knock sensor and the HO has two sensors!? this is news to me. I wonder if they are adaptable to our 4.7's ... also curious if the PCMs are interchangable at all ....
anyone?
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Michael
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9/10/2002
19:36:29
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Not sure about the second sensor, as for the PCM it is not compatible with the dakota PCM.
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So what size flux capacitor you got in there?
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Michael
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9/10/2002
19:38:37
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One more thing on the second sensor, from what I gather it was installed because of the increased compression of the 4.7 HO and the compression is increased due to dome pistons.
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So what size flux capacitor you got in there?
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CW
GenIII
9/10/2002
19:39:01
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I am pretty positive on this but there is no knock on the standard 4.7 and yes 2 on the HO engine. PCMs are not interchangable.
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
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9/10/2002
19:46:11
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I have the FSM on disk for my truck and it doesn't have a knock sensor listed in the index. Probably just a Jeep thing. I don't know how effective theirs is either.... a number of Jeep 4.7s have bitten the dust with KB blowers on them.
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Michael
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9/10/2002
19:57:24
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The normal 4.7 is suppose to have one knock sensor, the HO has 2. Check out the page I listed in the beginning of this thread it gives you all the info on both engines.
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So what size flux capacitor you got in there?
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
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9/10/2002
20:04:34
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Unfortunately it gives all the info on both JEEP engines. Now the question is whether there are more differences than just the PCM and knock sensors between the Dakota 4.7 and the standard Jeep 4.7. Not even taking into consideration the HO engine.
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Michael
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9/10/2002
20:32:57
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Sorry to post this question here. But I am in the process of installing my HO intake, already have the cams finished. My IAT Sensor hole on the HO intake is different than on the stock one, how do I install it? I have a 2000 4.7
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So what size flux capacitor you got in there?
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Michael
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9/10/2002
21:06:23
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ANYONE ?
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So what size flux capacitor you got in there?
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Chipster
Dodge Dakota
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9/10/2002
21:51:51
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Michael, I think your IAT sensor is a threaded
design. The HO intake has the 2001 sensor,
which is a twist and lock deal. I think DC was
worried about over torqueing the plastic
intake.You can go get a new 2001 sensor for
between $28-$44. Or relocate the one you
have to the Z tube, but then you need to plug
up the hole in the intake.
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Michael
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9/11/2002
00:05:22
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Thanks, but I already figured out how to install it. Now I'm finaly finished with my cams and intake, maybe its me but this thing hauls a$$.
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 So what size flux capacitor you got in there?
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Michael
DakotaEnthusiast
9/11/2002
00:10:02
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Forgot to update my sig.
WOOHOO ! and away we go.
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Canucker
Dodge Dakota
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9/11/2002
11:16:23
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The impression I got from the website that listed all the info was that the _Jeep_ 4.7L engine has a knock sensor .. I know we don't. (and the HO has two)
The reason I asked about the PCM is that it seems a lot more advance than ours... it says you _can_ run 87 octane if you want, but best performance is with 93 octane ... with the two knock sensors it would seem that the engine keeps the timing as far advanced as it can without pinging ... so if you have a lower octane gas, it'll retard the timing so you don't ping ... but you'll lose the hp. The WRX does the same thing.
I'd sure love to have that PCM in my truck.
Oh, BTW, Michael: how did you get around the IAT hole being different? I'm going to have to plug mine somehow, but haven't figured out with what yet.
PS LMAO at Michael's happy face character!
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Michael
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9/11/2002
15:31:05
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I drilled out the lower part of the connector, tapped it then I put an O-Ring around the top portion to seal it then installed it, works just fine. The dealer was closed or I would have gotten the 2002 sensor. But like I said it works fine.
Thanks,
Michael
PS I will post some pics at my site :
www.pbase.com/wiz473
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mopar2ya
GenI
9/11/2002
17:06:03
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I received my HO cans today (9/11/02). So what do I need besides the special dealer platinum plugs? We should distill all the posts into a usable list to take to the dealer or neighborhood parts store.
mopar2ya
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Demon Dakota
DakotaEnthusiast
9/11/2002
17:50:04
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You DO NOT need the platinum plugs mopar2ya, UNLESS you are swapping the heads as well. To do that, you'd really need the Jeep HO PCM as well, but we all know that's not going to work with our truck (not easily, anyway). I have the HO Cams and HO Intake as well as a 70mm TB, true duals, and soon the KB Optimizer II. I do run premium gas even though it's not needed. I've never had any type of pinging at any throttle or load in any atmospheric conditions. Oh yeah, I also use the Autolite 3923 plugs. I have plenty of power, good mileage (16.5 city and 21 hwy at 90 MPH sustained), and not one drivability issue. Take from that what you will.
2002 CC 4.7L Auto
Last dyno #'s
HP: 207.5
TQ: 268.6
Those numbers were BEFORE the HO Cams/Intake and BEFORE the 70mm TB. New numbers will be coming soon (hopefully).
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mopar2ya
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9/11/2002
20:25:41
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Thanks Demon Dakota
Sounds good to me.
mopar2ya
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Michael
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9/11/2002
20:36:33
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I did not mean that everyone had to switch to the dealer platinum plug only mentioned it to help others who are having some drivability issues, again this is only an option.
BTW, updated my profile pic.
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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9/11/2002
21:11:01
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Michaael,
Nice truck!
I've got a 01 QC 4.7 5spd LSD TTowing and HD service, Tire and handling, Etc, ETC. WITH the same paint scheme!
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Michael
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9/12/2002
01:07:38
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Thanks man!
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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9/12/2002
11:20:10
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Cams are in my closet now, they'll be installed soon. Don't know if I'll go with the intake or not.
So far just nixed the belt fan and clutch, Ait adj., Ported TB (already 68mm), and home brew air intake w/ K&N
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rtdkota
R/T
9/12/2002
12:48:00
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FWIW... The F&B 72mm on a stock truck ran 14 more hp, & 11 more ft. lbs...
Dyno was done 2 weeks ago.. on an auto 4.7L, 2000.
Sam
www.socaldakota.com
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cudashoe
DakotaEnthusiast
9/12/2002
14:40:45
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Was that JUST from adding the throttle body? Or was there something else.
2000 4.7 5- speed, 1989 Shelby #799 White
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mopar2ya
GenI
9/12/2002
15:53:41
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Also, what part of the RPM/Power range did you notice 14 hp and 11 ft-lbs? Low-end, (I bet not) mid-range or higher RPM's
However, I'm still interested.
How'd we go from the cam topic to thorttle bodies?
mopar2ya
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Michael
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9/12/2002
23:49:23
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Demon I forgot to mention one more thing about the plugs, even if you do change the heads that still wouldn't justify a must have for the them. The only thing that would make them must have is if you changed the pistons over to the HO pistons which have a dome top that in turn increases the compression ratio and would require require that type plug. But like I said it would be a good option for those experiencing drivability issues.
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Demon Dakota
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9/13/2002
13:30:28
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Michael,
You're right. I forgot about the pistons. But going to a hotter plug may not help out with pinging and such. Only a colder plug will (should, that is) totally solve that.
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ajeeper
Dodge Dakota
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11/07/2002
20:14:56
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Dude,
Been in a REAL - 1 of a kind 4.7HO R/T. Also coupled it to a 5 speed. As the 2 5.9's i took on Gratiot awhile. It was the most fun someone could have in a truck. If the grearing was better, had a 3.55, It would have given some of the C5 vettes a run for the money. Would have smoked a 5.7L 1500 2003 Ram.
Now for clarification. A REAL HO cosists of:
High flow heads
Knock Sensors
HO Cams
Intake and Exh .Springs
Steel Crank
HO Damper
Exh. Valves
HO Intake Manifold
Pop-Up Pistons
HO Resonator
Bigger TB
Increase C/R - due to pistons
Platinum Plugs
Special Engine Computer Calibration
The HO cams and Intake are will get you next to nothing. The intake has a different runner length, doesn't flow any more air. K&N FIP is a joke, won't help something in stock or HO form that isn't restricted. Check the exhaust system for your restriction. Cams without spring updates will leave you stranded, the base springs won't live long. Don't waste your money, the COMPUTER won't change calibrations, meaning you won't run optimized - meaning next to nothing in power or torque gains.
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Michael
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11/08/2002
00:28:19
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I could have sworn someone posted the differences between the two earlier in this thread a long time ago. Thanks for digging this thread up to let us know for the 53rd time about them. Or maybe you didn't think to read the entire thread before you made the post.
Thanks ajeeper I don't know where we would be without your ultimate wisdom of the 4.7 HO.
Thanks again,
Michael
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Chris
Dodge Dakota
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11/08/2002
08:47:39
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Ajeeper,
Why do you feel the need to dig up old messages. Do you really have that much time on your hands?
Chris
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