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joe
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2/17/2003
11:47:14
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Ok all of you that say you go 115 or more are full of shiat! You don't go that fawkin fast on the highway. I would so love to see you dumbasses do that. I live in a big city and never, never have I seen someone going that fast. Nuff of the bullshiat.
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DEATH GENE
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2/17/2003
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IT MIGHT BE YOUR A FU&KING IDIOT JOE, I HAVE GONE UP TO 117 In my 4X3 5.9 now.... Go get a valve clattering Ford or Chevy, (Mal-designed piece of sh*t) and putput outa here.
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Texas Todd
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2/17/2003
14:24:51
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Joe,
I"m a family guy, Quad cab, leer shell cover, etc.
But, my 01, 4.7, 5spd, HO cams, etc. hit the speed limiter, on Sunday afternoon in very light traffic, racing Club cab 5.9., on Highway 288, @ the south 610 loop in Houston.
It doesn't take long, esp. when you're already doing 75.
It was very even, and safe. Although the child seat was in the rear, I was alone obviously.
Mine limits out at 117, it's the 01, 5spd.
Why would I lie about it.
Now, on any given day, You're absolutely right! With much traffic at all, going anywhere near that fast is plain stupid!
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Joey
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2/17/2003
16:49:31
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i dont see wats so fast about 115. back when i had my saturn sc2 i took it up to 125 on the highway and now with my R/T ive gotten it up to the 118mph speed limiter really quick but both times it was at about 2am so there were few cars. but joe, it sure as hell aint impossible.
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DEATH GENE
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2/17/2003
20:54:56
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Uhhh YEA, Lets compare 2000lbs Saturn, compared to my 6000lbs Dodge..... Hmmmmm Trust my YOUR RIGHT ITS NO BIG DEAL WHEN YOUR CAR HIS 115. Hahaha Not even so much when A Dakota Does. But Mine is a 4sp Auto and I got to 117 with 4.10 G,Ratio.... Thats Something.... I plan on Putting a Jet2 in it with Headers soon. Maybe I will go 125 like I have heard others do. The point is, The 4.7 would not be able to do what my 5.9 does. PERIOD, Sh*t I kept up with 4.7 Quad Cabs with the 4.7 VS My (5.9 atleast 100 feet or so.) I have to putt it in 4wd it Burns out too easily with the G.Ratio, I don't know about reliability though, But Back when I worked at the Dealer I remember a 5.2 With 490,000 miles on it (Heads never taken off) And it was not even smoking.... But this is not a 5.9 so I couldn't compare (Yet they are similar)
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sandman
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2/17/2003
21:39:42
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On a practical note the 4.7 was not intended to replace the 5.9 it was intended to replace the 5.2. In any event it is a remarkable little engine. Dodge did a good job in 98% of it's design. The main thng that bothers me is also done by GM(short skirt piston with rings too close to top of piston). The 5.7 is the replacement for the 5.9 and it also does a remakable job. Gone are all the leak paths and poor gasket designs. The oiling system is much improved and so is cooling. THe intake and heads flow much better!!! They have kept the silly hydralic lifters and push roads to keep all the old farts happy as well. It also keep s cost down! The block is alot more ridged. I am thinking that they have probably designed the pistons the same as the 4.7 pistons for emisions.
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Joey
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2/17/2003
22:40:51
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uhh death gene i was jus tryin to state a point that 115mph isnt hard to reach and could even be done with a 130hp saturn. if it wasnt for the speed limiter my R/T would probably go close to 140. oh and a word of advice, the jet 2 is a piece of crap, look at all the other posts on this site, they all will say the same, so dont waste ur money.
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Duner
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2/18/2003
18:17:45
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JOE, Joe, joe......
Come to Arizona! Hundreds of miles of DESERTed roads just begging for speed limiter testing. The AVERAGE speed of vehicles traveling between say - Phoenix and Tucson will be about 85 mph. Adding another 30 mph to that just takes some empty hiway space. You might be suprised at how often you end up going that fast when you try and keep pace with some of the "faster" traffic. I'ved paced 18-wheelers running right at 100 mph... like 6 or 7 of them in a row. Maybe you just need to find a stretch of deserted hiway and let it all hang out?
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scott hagen
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2/18/2003
21:28:10
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117MPH, easy
I ran a stock 4.7 with 3.92 with the 4 spd auto in germany for 30K miles at averge speeds of 105 Rev limiter cuts out at 117MPH I suggest the handeling kit by Dodge, it makes all the difference the thing drove like a car at 110. average gas mileage was 16 at those speeds. KN filter was all I changed and synthetic fluids.
My mistake was buying a 03 with the 5 spd and the 355 diff. The thing is a dog. I did gain 2MP consistantly big deal. Ill be regearing. I went from torque to dog. No oil consumption by the way the engine is capable of much more.
Dam the DOT
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Demon Dakota
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2/19/2003
00:14:55
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I agree 117 isn't fast, but it's fast in a truck. Ask Lynn about his BMW killer Dak. He had his over 130. Dunno what his fuel economy was (if you could even call it economy at that point). Look at some of his posts. Shows his speedo over 120 :)
K&N Drop in AF
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
Modified TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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Demon Dakota
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2/19/2003
00:31:04
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And this thread is about engine longevity. I gues we'll have to wait about 30 years to do a real comparison between the 5.2/5.9 and the 4.7L
K&N Drop in AF
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
Modified TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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Upset In Wisc
Dodge Dakota
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3/14/2003
22:15:53
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Here is some information on the durability of the 4.7 I have just over 40K on a 2000 Quad cab 2WD auto. It will never see 41K. The motor was well maintained but now it is scrap. According to the dealer it has coolant in the oil. He suspects (but doesn't know for sure) that it has a cracked block or head. Based on what he thinks is the problem Dodge authorized a shorblock. This leaves me to eat $2600. I complained now Dodge will cover all the parts. I still am stuck for $1700 for the labor. Called Dodge direct to complain. They told me that thats the best they will do for me as my truck has a 3year/36K warranty. I have ownedthe truck since new it is 2.5 years old. My mistake was to drive the truck in a civil fashion. Seems driving over 100MPH leads to better fuel economy and engine longevity.
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Matt
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4/14/2003
14:39:42
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I have one word to end this debate. HEMI! I just traded in my 2001 quad with the 5.2 and 3.55 gears on a 2003 1500 quad cab with a hemi and 3.93 gears. This is my 6th Ram since 1995, and my last (unless my wife wants one.)
95 ST 5.2 auto, 3.55 2x4 long bed, reg cab.
98 slt 5.9 auto, 3.93 4x4 short bed, reg cab.
97 st 5.2 5 speed, 3.93 4x4 short bed reg cab.
2000 slt 5.2 5 speed, 3.55 2x4 short bed quad.
2001 slt 5.2 auto, 3.55 4x4 short bed quad.
2003 slt 5.7, auto, 3.93, 4x4 short bed quad.
I have driven all the engines but the 4.7. The best before the Hemi was the 5.9 I had in my 4x4 short bed reg cab. That was a hot rod. But it does not compare to the HEMI. The best gas milage was in my 2000 quad cab with a 5 speed and 3.55 gears. 22MPG at 55MPH. It was no slouch though. My wifes old truck had the 5.2 with the 5 speed and 3.93 gears, and it was right on the level of the 5.9 with an auto trans in my truck. So, I will say that if you really want longevity, get the 5.2 or 5.9, they are proven work horses. If you want to ventre into new frontiers, get a HEMI or the 4.7 with a 5 speed. The Hemi boasts 100 more horses then the 5.9 and gets better mpg. And it sounds like something you would only hear at the track! It is a real hot truck, and I have a Quad 4x4! Think about what you would have if you got a ST Short bed with a reg cab, 2x4?
I hope it helps.
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Matt
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4/14/2003
14:43:23
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OOPS! I goofed. This is a Dakota Message board. No wonder you are all confused.
Get a real truck, get a RAM!
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mjhipp
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4/14/2003
15:29:54
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First of all, my 4.7 5 spd. is WAY quicker in the 1/4, 0-60, handling, all that, YES , your's does classify as more of a REAL truck, and that's awesome MPG.
I do have a BMW that'll do about 155, and that's
pretty fast.
Don't you guys know about the good ol' hold the key in the start position (only 5 spd) and bypass the speed limiter, but I think these things drag limit at about 4,500 rpms in 5th: how fast is that? I don't really know, probably about 130 or so, maybe a little more.
This truck feels a lot more solid at speed than the BMW 535i, so it's hard to tell the top speed without the speedo working.
you should try it :)
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mAT
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4/14/2003
15:51:39
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Speed is age related, the older you are the faster you think you are going. So try to stay young and ALIVE!! That way life will never seem to slow down.
Go FAST, Stay young, live longer.
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00RT/03Cob
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4/15/2003
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Had my 00RT up to atleast 125 (hit the needle and held on it for atleast another 2 or 3 seconds.) Anyway that was with a Shaker and PCM. Got 12mpg... I didnt think that was too bad for 120mph+ in a truck with an unfuel efficient V8.
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