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juniordak311
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7/13/2002
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Hey i love to see all of you dodge people out there! I just bought a 2002 QC 4x4 sport plus,I love this vehicle.traded in 2001 ram qc 4x4,this thing was a gas hog!! I`m getting close to a 1000 miles on it and want to change the oil. I was just wondering what kind i should use? I have had good luck with havoline 10-30w in the past. Can i use this oil in my 4.7 or make a change?
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Dak318
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7/14/2002
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Mobil 1 15W50 and Mobil 1 Filter
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sandman
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7/14/2002
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Amsoil is only $.70 more then mobile 1 and it is a better product. I have used mobile 1 since 1988 and I have recently switched! I just put Amsoil ATF in my T/case.
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juniordak311
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7/14/2002
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is synthetic better or regular oil?
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Big Blue QC
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7/15/2002
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yes, most definetly. Search the archives for oil or synthetic oil and you will find LOTS of info and opinions. Good luck.
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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AmsoilSponsor
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7/15/2002
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juniordak311
Here is a good string on the GENERAL BOARD:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/5841-1.html
Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
Steven Roark
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor oils, Lubricants and Truck Care Products
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Dakotafreak
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7/18/2002
02:10:07
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I use full synthetic myself. My truck runs great on Mobil 1 10w30
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Bernd
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7/18/2002
09:14:54
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A lot of the different manufacturers will claim that their oil is better...in some parts they have slight advantages (and disadvantages) over each other...but mostly, with regular oil changes, they're equal (price differentiates them).
I tore apart an engine with 150K miles on it (customer used only Mobil-1 on it) and the internals were exceptionally clean and no build-up at all (even tore apart the crank and pistons). For those who want to run synthetic...Mobil-1 is plenty.
Royal Purple, Amsoil, Redline...they are a slightly better oil (for extended oil change intervals), and two of the three have shown HP improvements on the Dyno as well. It's all based on budget though.
(The $0.70 more for the Amsoil, at 3500-5000 mile oil change intervals, still makes it more expensive than Mobil-1. At 7500 miles with just a filter change in between makes it an even wash on price.)
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14.55 @ 96.01mph
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MOPARornoCAR
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7/18/2002
09:17:51
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quaker state and a good filter..hastings,wix,ac-delco......every three thousand miles.....10w-30....its that simple.
B.
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7/18/2002
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You must have missed the earlier posts on QuakerState. They start with the cheapest crude as a base ... GUNK. I would not use QS in my B&S Lawnmower.
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WallyR
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7/18/2002
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Quaker State and Pennzoil are both paraffinic base oils and tend to cause a lot of varnish and if not changed very regularly, sludge.
I ran the factory breakin oil for the first 1K, have Castrol 5W50 in it for the next 3K and then I'm going full synthetic, probably Amsoil.
Wally
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Bob W
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7/18/2002
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Synthetic is the way to go but stick with the viscoscity that is recomended for your engine.
(it is not 15-50)
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MOPARornoCAR
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7/19/2002
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well let me see.....
165,000 miles on a 3.1 litre gmc motor...ran a combination of penzoil,quaker,and mobil(reg.),,whichever was cheaper at the time....replaced my valve cover gaskets at 112000, ran my finger on the underside of valve cover...to my disbelief it was no sludgeir(sp?) than what i drained out into the pan from its last oil change.so i think,,but may be wrong as long as you change it often,along with filter, you should be ok.but everyone has different results...just like the guys who use fram filters..yuck!!!
peace!
B.
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IndustryXpert
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7/21/2002
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Since some of you Dak owners are "performance oriented" some of you will make sacrifices for HP gains. This is a "copy and paste" from one of my earlier posts.
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Although Red Line Oil is touted as a top-notch synthetic oil, oil analysis results show that, at least in passenger vehicle applications, it may not be formulated properly. Red Line oils are for TRUE racing applications.
On passenger vehicles (cars and trucks)it has been determined thru testing that when using Red Line there is excessive wear metal content, low tbn value, excessive oxidation percentage and Molybdenum levels which are "over range". These results would seem to indicate that after a fairly short oil drain interval the Red Line Oil used was showing unacceptable levels of oil degradation, and the Polyolester base stock seems to be reacting negatively with the aluminum and lead materials in the engine.
In addition, the "over range" Molybdenum levels indicated that Red Line may be using a solid extreme pressure additive in its oils. Although this may be useful (but is not necessary with top-quality basestocks) in RACING applications where metal components of an engine may be more likely to come in contact with each other, it is not necessary in a passenger vehicle engine and can actually be harmful to the engine. This would make sense, otherwise there would be no reason to indicate the levels of Molybdenum to be "over range".
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7/22/2002
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Somewhere and someplace someone asked about Amsoil Warranty. I can't find the post with the question so I will post here.
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Most Important: Keep accurate service records and all purchase receipts
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Vehicle manufacturers recommend using motor oils meeting certain grades and American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements. Whether the motor oil is petroleum based or synthetic will not affect warranty coverage. The manufacturer is required to cover all equipment failures it would normally cover as long as the oil meets the requirements and was not the cause of the failure.
AMSOIL exceeds these requirements and has never been deemed the cause of an engines failure. Even so, AMSOIL has its own limited warranty, protecting you even further. In addition, the federally mandated Magnuson-Moss Act states that a manufacturer may not require the use of a specific brand of aftermarket product unless it is provided free of charge.
* If a car dealership, service center or other business states that using AMSOIL will void your new vehicle warranty, ask for that statement in writing and send it to AMSOIL Technical Services (AMSOIl Inc., AMSOIL Bldg, Superior, WI 54880). If the business won't provide the statement in writing send AMSOIL Technical Services a letter identifying who made the statement, the name and location of the business and what the specific statement was. AMSOIL will then send a letter to the business informing them that their position is inaccurate, and, in fact violates existing law. Your name will be held in confidence. A sample of this letter can be provided upon request.
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For additional information on Amsoil's Limited Warranty please visit my website.
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Amsoil's Limited Warranty is in effect when Amsoil Products are used in mechanically sound engines, providing, of course the oil is kept free of contaminants by changing the oil filter according to the manufacturer's recommendation or, when using an AMSOIL Super Duty Oil Filter, changing the filter based on Amsoils oil and filter change recommendations.
Additionally, if there is ever a question of whether or not a particular oil was the cause of an engine failure make sure to get a sample of the used oil in a clean bottle, typically 6 oz. minimum. The oil can then be sent to two independent testing labs for analysis (labs are located throughout the country).
A reminder: Keep accurate service records and all purchase receipts
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Remember, an informed consumer is your best defense against being taken advantage of by a vehicle dealership or service center.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
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Additional Amsoil Limited Warranty Information is available on my website
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sandman
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7/23/2002
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Yes, Havoline is fine. Castrol GTX is also good. 10W30 will work just fine. Change it every 2000-3000 miles and use a decent filter. Baldwin, Hastings,Purolator,AC/Delco all make a decent filter at an affordable price. I listed the filters buy quality and price. Stay away from the following oils: Quaker State and Kendell. Stay away from the following filters: Fram, Penzoil,and Quaker State.
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7/23/2002
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juniordak311,
Sandman is the only one that answered your original question:
"I have had good luck with havoline 10-30w in the past. Can i use this oil in my 4.7 or make a change?"
Answer: "Yes, Havoline is fine."
For that Sandman wins the trophy of the day.
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AmsoilSponsor
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7/23/2002
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I understand why Sandman posted here Sunday July, 23. Too many times people are so enthralled by touting their own "beliefs" they forget to answer the person's original question.
Let this be a lesson to all of us.
Again, Sandman gets the Trophy of the Day!
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Dak318
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7/26/2002
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The viscosity recommended in the owners manual is not made for Texas, it's made for cooler climates.
I think I will stick with 15W50
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sandman
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7/27/2002
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I cant say I blame you!!!! My family has had alot of vechiles last 200,000-300,000 with conventional 20W50 in warm mounths and 10W30 in the winter. I spent some time in Ft. HOOD and Coppers Cove. I almost took a job in Plano TX. a few months ago. I got real good at pluging tires due to catus needle puntures and had to rome a diamond back from a tire more then once. I had a Long horn tear my tent apart while camping at the a large resovoir I thing it was Belting or bleding resovoir?????? I learned how to do a proper barbaque in Texas. I learned about useing indirect heat for slow cooking and the importance of makeing your own coals from oak, hickory and mesquitte(sp). I realy enjoyed Texas. I spent about 6 months their. I just hate the "Texas Mile" which is about 20 times longer then anyplace else on this planet!!!!!
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Muzzy
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7/27/2002
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Royal Purple...Awesome oil. I have used Mobile 1 synthetic for 15 years with very good success. I recently changed to Royal Purple 10w-30 after I saw a Camaro gain 8 RWHP after switching on Horsepower TV. My 1991 318 is just about broken in at 167K miles, but seems to run smoother on RP after 11 years on Mobile 1 10w-30.
I am sure AMSOIL is a good oil. I wasn't able to find any dyno number on their site though??
-Muzzy
2001 EC Dakota 4x4 - 287ci V8 - 5 Speed - 3.92 gears/w Sure Grip
Borla Stainless Steel Headers - IAT Adjuster
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mikeyDak
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7/28/2002
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The question you "which oil" is like a political nightmare. There is no "one good oil" and most that really stand above the crowd usually are not available "on-the-shelf" (retail stores).
So, if you're looking for something "on-the-shelf", you'll find a majority of them are pretty good, especially since the new GF-3 base stocks have become a requirement to be API certified.
You need to determine, standard 3k mile drain entervals or extended drain (with analysis), dirt roads, pavement, mostly TRUE offroading, pretty warm most the time or colder climates? Do you drive hard, race, or drive like your grandmother did? (actually my grandmother was a "racer"). What is the oil you are currently using, and are you having problems with it? If so, is it oil consumption, leaking seals or breakdown?
Are you running the M1 TriSyn or the SuperSyn?, If you're worried it might not be a good choice, do your 3k drains, then send in a sample to an oil analysis lab and see how well it checks out. This will show you if you have to worry about changing it ...rather than being influenced by what a bunch of guys (on a forum) say based on their personal feelings, something they read, who their favorite race driver is, or the color of the bottle.
I myself have a bad feeling on M1's SuperSyn, but I cannot say for a fact it isn't a good oil. I suspect that the TriSyn version of their oil will be better than the newer SuperSyn. Just preliminary things that I personally don't like ... but under your driving conditions you may find out that you don't stress the oil so it might be fine for you. In other words,... investigate first with oil analysis and determine if it is adaquate for your situation.
Here's what I'm using:
Motor oil- Mobil 1 TriSyn; Gear oil - Mobil 1;
ATF - Pennzoil; Brake Fluid - Valvoline synthetic
My supply of Mobil1 TriSyn is about exhausted so I'll be looking for something different soon.
Contender could be Amsoil Synthetic 10w-40 as well as switching to A-L-L Amsoil for one source and discounts. They seem to have a very good "across the board" offering, especially interesting with their Universal ATF.
MikeyDak (rhymes with Mighty Dak)
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Muzzy
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7/28/2002
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I agree with the notion that choosing an oil is almost as much a personal perference as the car you drive. Everyone seems to have their brand loyalty.
There are facts out there that support some oils are definitely better than others. Most hard core car enthusiasts know Quaker State and Pennziol are not good oils. The 2 years I work as a dealer mechanic doing engine overhauls taught me that.
As far as snythetics....I think we could all agree that Mobile 1, Redline, Amsoil, and Royal Rurple are excellent engine lubricants. I am sure if you chose any one of them and change your oil at proper intervals that you would see no wear and little to no engine deposits.
...my 2 cents
-Muzzy
2001 EC Dakota 4x4 - 287ci V8 - 5 Speed - 3.92 gears/w Sure Grip
Borla Stainless Steel Headers - IAT Adjuster
Flowmaster Force II Cat Back - Ported TB/Custom Cold Air intake
H&K USC Security System
Coming Soon - head porting/ install HO cams & valve springs
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mopar2ya
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7/29/2002
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I have 2000 4.7 Red CC auto and I noticed slight mpg gain running Mobil 1.
heffa
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Benny
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7/30/2002
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Your owners manual clearly states 5w/30 for the 4.7 when the outside temp is below 100 degrees.
Synthetic oil is wonderful stuff,but you get al- most all the benefits of syn. oil with just 1 qt.
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