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Ol cudashoe sounds like he might be foamin at the mouth a tad, might need to get some shots, lol.
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alex
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Yeah, shoe-ey I knew that Mopar owned Lambo when they developed that engine.
What I am asking you is not whether Mercedes GAVE the engine to Chrysler.
I am asking you if it is REMOTELY possible that if Dodge decided that when they wanted to release and all new engine casting that would be like NO OTHER engine they HAD EVER designed, is it even REMOTELY possible that they may have drawn up a CONTRACT with DODGE as the OWNER/CLIENT and MERCEDES as the CONSULTANT/ENGINEER and SUBCONTRACTED out the engine design?
Is that remotely possible?
Or are you absolutely 100% proof-positive sure that nobody at Dodge ever sent a single drawing or electronic file out of the Dodge engineering headquarters building to anyone even remotely employed by anyone other than Dodge itself? What if someone on the staff of 100% American Dodge Engineers USED to work for Mercedes Benz?
Holy Crap...... it's pretty easy to push your buttons, there, isn't it Dan Cuda? Does everyone in West Virginia/Ohio act as irrational and short-fused as you? Ddue, are the neighborhood kids scared to come into your yard to pick up the ball they hit over there?
I think if I was a kid and I lived in West Ohio Virginia I'd be pretty scared of you. You might beat my ass just for walking on your lawn just to get my ball.......
Wow.
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alex
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7/09/2002
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Cartman's German Dance
( sorry it's early for Octoberfest )
I will do the German dance for you, it's fun and gay and tra-la-la.
I hope you will enjoy my dance, fiddle-e-aye, fiddle-e-aye ay.
Would you like some sauerkraut, German boy, German boy?
Yes, I'd like some sauerkraut...
Brought to you by the fine folks at Dodge, who remind you to Grab Life By the Horns. HonkHonk.
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alex
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7/09/2002
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Why is every nut/bolt/fastener on my motor metric?
Anyone? Bueller?
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cudashoe
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Yea its Dan Cuda on Moparchat but cudashoe every where else. My Name is Dan Shoemaker and I lived in Parkersburg , WV.
I have it out for you idiot Alex because on my thread last you called me an idiot when I was CLEARLY winning that debate too. Since you have decided to answer another one of my posts I have decided to answer you in YOUR OWN STYLE.
Alex- With the talks going on about the 35 BILLION dollar buy-out, do you think ANYTHING but FINACIAL stuff was being talked about??? Keep on posting this FANTASY story of yours you thought of ONLY to try and beat me!!! But alas Alex, I have beaten you again!!!
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cudashoe
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7/09/2002
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And nuts and bolts have been metric for years on cars. Has NOTHING to due with where it was designed or built. Alex thank you again for letting me SHOW WHAT A COMPLETE IDIOT YOU ARE!!!
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WallyR
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7/09/2002
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Oh, I wish I could be West Virginia white trash.
Then all the folks would surely laugh at me.
Alex, wanna add a couple of lines??
Wally
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alex
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7/09/2002
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So you mean to tell me that Daimler and Chrysler sat down in between Summer of 1998 (when the 4.7 was released) and November 17 of 1998 (!!!!) when the merger occurred and just decided to "Turn this mother out!" I think a little more planning went into it than that. Four months worth of talking about "financial stuff" to settle a $35 Billion deal? I bet they were talking back & forth about a few things here & there for a little longer than 4 months. I also think that they had been working together for long enough to work out the details of the new Daimler-based Jeep motor to insure that it would work in the all-new Cherokee package. But rather than wait until the 1999 year model, they sort of released it as a 1998 "American-Built" Jeep with all new "American (metric) Technology." Then the buy-out went PUBLIC in Nov of 1998.
But overall, you still haven't proven to me that there's absolutely no way that Mercedes could've designed this motor. You've just established some vague timeline that helps you believe that this motor is all American.
Prove to us that Mercedes had nothing to do with this motor.
DO THE RESERCH (sp)!!!
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alex
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7/09/2002
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My 1992 Dakota didn't have very many metric ANYTHING on it....... when did this strange conversion take place???
All I know is that my 1992 was built in Hammtramck, Michigan. And it had the fake-wood plastic trim and rattle-filled interior to prove it. Heh.
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alex
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7/09/2002
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PS- Did you see where Matt Barret made 30+ hp with those $140 cams and that $128 intake manifold? Wow. Now what's the best mod for under $500?
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cudashoe
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So lets see....
I say the 4.7 is 100% American based on facts of the related dates. I have 100% DOCUMENTED PROOF of my position.
Alex sais that Daimler gave Chrysler the design before the merger. He has NO PROOF OF THIS buts wants me to proove that it didnt happen!!!
Alex THANK YOU AGIN!! YOU ARE A MINDLESS FOOL AND EVERY POST YOU MAKE ADDS TO IT!!!
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cudashoe
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7/09/2002
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And WallyR heres a link to my truck and my other Mopars. http://www.villagephotos.com/pubgallery.asp?id_=9763
Call me what you want but I will always have more money than you do and I will always be smarter than you. Yes Im an a$$hole but I look good doing it!!!!
Oh and the FAT pic is a woman for ALEX!!
Thanks from whitetrash cudashoe!!!!!
LIFE IS GOOD!!!!
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alex
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7/09/2002
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Well, that's about enough out of me. I'm going for a swim and then I'm gonna fix dinner. prolly bratwurst and sauerkraut and spicy mustard.
Then I'm going outside and bolt on my newly Leach-flashed PCM (yeah, cuda, like you even gave me that idea... hah!) and go for a drive knowing that my Leach PCM is LOVING the fact that I have already installed the 70 mm F&B throttlebody and not some teeny-weeny-yellow-polka-dotted 65mm throttlebody.
And as i head on home..... let me leave everyone with some Wayne Newton:
Danke schoen, darling, danke schoen,
Thank you for all the joy and pain.
Picture show, second balcony, was the place we'd meet,
Second seat, go Dutch treat, you were sweet.
Danke schoen, darling, danke schoen,
Save those lies, darlin' don't explain.
I recall Central Park in Fall,
How you tore your dress, what a mess, I confess, that's not all.
Danke schoen, darling, danke schoen,
Thank you for walks down Lover's Lane,
I can see, hearts carved on a tree,
Letters intertwine, for all time, yours and mine, that was fine.
Danke schien, darling, danke schoen,
Thank you for seeing me again.
Though we go on our separate ways,
Still the mem'ry stays, for always,
My heart says, danke schoen.
Danke schoen, Oh darlin' danke shoen,
I said thank you for, mmmm, seein' me again.
Though we go on our separate ways, Still the mem'ry stays, for always,
My heart says, danke schoen. Danke shoen, auf weidershein, Danke shoen.
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cudashoe
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7/09/2002
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Sorry but I havent taken pics of my 1988 Conquest TSI w/ 25,000 miles or my 2000 Voyager for the wife and kids.
Did I metion that THEY ARE ALL PAID FOR???
Not bad for WHITETRASH
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Graphite
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7/09/2002
18:57:28
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Alex- everyone except you knows that Dakotas are made in Warren not Hamtramck.
Sponge bob square pants who lives in a pineapple under the sea.(R)
2002 graphite /silver
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7/09/2002
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It seems as though cudashoe ought to go by pinochio, everyone sure knows how to pull his strings he's dancing at a feverish rate...
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Bob W
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7/09/2002
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This is realy strange, why don't you both take it of line.
Gibson headers, Gibson Cat-back, Edelbrock IAS shocks, K & N drop in, 180 stat, Jet stage II chip, ARE Lid
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WallyR
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7/09/2002
20:36:12
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Cuda,
Once again you are exibiting your own true ignorance. Let me correct myself, STUPIDITY. All of us are ignorant in some form or fashion, as it it merely a lack of knowledge. STUPID, as you are, is the inability to learn. WHITETRASH, as you also are, has nothing to do with one's income level. STUPID WHITETRASH, as you most definitely are, can make a ton of money, live in affluent neighborhoods, have a collection of cars, a wife, a litter of kids, etc... and will still remain nothing but STUPID WHITETRASH!!
1) You have no data to back your stupid opinions with besides a couple of dates.
2) You misread the article, another indication of your STUPIDITY. It clearly stated gas and diesel engines, with the following sentence referring to the DIESEL market in BELGIUM. If Chrysler wants to sell gas powered vehicles in Europe, they are going to have to use a name like Benz to do so.
3) Furthermore, being an employee of a OE supplier to DCX for more than 20 years, I've seen things YEARS before any idiot like you has seen in crappy corner store magazines.
4) It is a publicly known fact that Daimler, as owner of Chrysler and Mercedes, is driving to globally commonize parts across all platforms where feasible. Does this make sense to you??
So 'Shoe, keep living in your little imaginary world of what you want to believe, the rest of us will continue to advance with society and technology while enjoying a healthy portion of kraut on our plates.
Good riddance,
Wally
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cudashoe
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WallyR - The evidence is clear. You are just making your self look like an idiot every time you post.
i dont give a fck what you call me - YOU ARE WRONG IN THIS DEBATE.
Oh and WallyR - the last half of your post HAS NOTHING TO DUE WITH THIS POST!! We are talking about WHO DESIGNED THE 4.7!! PERIOD!!! Whats
happening now has nothing to due with 4.7 development.
Now I dont argue the globalization of Daimlers parts. I never once argued againt that!!! STICT TO THE TOPIC AT HAND!!
Thanks again for allowing me to agian show YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING!!
And let me ask you what BELGIUM has to do with the 4.7?????
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Bruce P
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Look folks... I saw this Dak with my own eyes and I touched it with my hands...IT EXISTS! It is BLACK with GOLD lettering. (right down to the SPORT on the doors and the MB symbol on the tailgate)
I am NOT suggesting this is the DC 4.7L. I know it is 100% US designed and built in the MACK engine plant.
I do know that Chrysler has a history of producing limited runs of "special" vehicles. The Shadow VNT (VariableNozzleTurbocharger) is an example. My friend has one of 10 that came from the factory with NO AC. It currently dynos at over 320 FrontWheelHorsePower!
Given this, why would folks doubt that this Dakota exists? I felt that the more knowledgable readers of these forums would like to be aware of this Dakota and perhaps discuss if they have seen others like it.
There is no reason to be rude. Just because you may not agree with somone does not mean they are wrong. I have EXTENSIVE experience with internal-combustion engines, Mechanics, Physics, Engineering, Electronics and several other disciplines and you have NO idea of my skills in these areas. You make only YOURSELF look silly with your feable ramblings with no FACTS to back them up. Sure, there may differing opionins from mine and even from yours... But you will not see me attacking others personally because of this.
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Bruce P.
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BTW... I was speaking to (QuackQuack)in that last paragraph.
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alex
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Well folks, gutten tag!! I'm back at work now, and I see that i was mistaken on the Michigan address of where my last vehicle was built. Sorry, there graphite, you win. It was Warren, and not Hammtramck.
As for you cooter-shoo, you really have proven nothing so far, other than this one fact:
By your silly timeline, you have proven that Daimler didn't own Chrysler when the 4.7 was released. That's all you have proven.
That fact has nothing to do with whether this engine is 100% American or not.
It could be French for all we know. You ask us to stick to the facts, but you are coming up short on facts here, yourself.
But I think we should continue this arguement all day.
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Dave
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Chrysler Group invested more than $7.5 billion in new powertrains during the last several years. This includes a new line of multi-valve passenger car engines, as well as a new family of SUV and truck engines — the 3.7-liter V6, 4.7-liter V8 and class-leading 5.7-liter HEMI(R) Magnum engine, to debut this fall on the all-new 2003 Dodge Ram Heavy Duty pickup truck.
The Mercedes-Benz W5A580 five-speed automatic transmission will be built at the Chrysler's Indiana Transmission Assembly Plant starting in 2004 for use in selected Chrysler Group vehicles. DaimlerChrysler announced this program in late 2000 as one of the first component-sharing programs of the 1998 merger between the former Chrysler Corporation and Daimler-Benz AG.
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cudashoe
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7/10/2002
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THANKS DAVE!!!
More proof of my side. People, WAKE UP!!! What I said is true!! What Alex said is fanatsy!!
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alex
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What you said is that this motor is 100% American. What about the Siemans injectors.....
I dont' think that's an American company, is it?
What proof do you have that this motor is 100% American?
Coootie Shooooo.... i see you! And you should learn to spell. As you say, "DO THE RESERCH!!"
Heeheehee....
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Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics...
...You may win, but you're still retarded
(Please do not misconstrue this silly comment as an attack against handicapped individuals)
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alex
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Yeah, I'm a retard, but it's funny watching cuda try to win. Guess he's an ambitious retard. I'm just a lazy retard. hahahahhaa
Of course, OffRoad, you did pitch in your piece of the arguement, so you're also mildly retarded.
Thanks, though.
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WallyR
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Alex,
Don't forget the Denso starter and alternator and the Sanden A/C compressor. NOT AMERICAN AT ALL!!
Wally
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S. Allen
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...but two Dodge dealerships have TOLD me that the 4.7 in the Dakotas I test-drove were Mercedes designed engines!
I am NOT debating whether or not the 4.7 is American or not...I am just stating for the record that two biggie dealerships here in the 4th largest city in the USA are "saying" that the 4.7 is literally a Mercedes engine.
Are they right? I dunno and I don't have an answer, we all know how dealerships will lie like a mother to make a sale, but my point is that they ARE "pushing it" as a Mercedes designed engine!
Car dealers are about as honest as Bill Clinton...but I wonder who is telling them to push the 4.7 as a Mercedes engine? If the 4.7 is not Mercedes-inspired...they're practicising dishonest trade practices and this is an outright deception to their customers...right?
(I don't care whether is IS or not, when you really get down to it...just telling you MY experience so far!)
-SA
...continue the argument...now
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Dave
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What I said about Chrysler investion 7.5 billion doesn't say anything about chrysler not having Mercedes design that engine. I just got off the phone with my uncle who works on the assembley line for Dodge and he told me that infact Mercedes did help, not totally create the motor, but they did do MOST of the design.
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