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Q: AMSOIL will be using a different formula for its XL-7500 Motor Oils. Why did AMSOIL change the formula?
A: Our XL-7500 oils are the oils of choice in the retail oil change market, and primarily because of warranty concerns the customers in this market require API-certified oils. In order to obtain API SL/ILSAC GF-3 certification and still remain cost-competitive with the other oils sold at retail oil change outlets, we had to change to Group III basestocks. To obtain API certification with our top tier basestocks would have priced our Dealers out of the market.
Gee kinda funny when steve put everyone down for using M1 cause in his owrds "its group 3 not real syn"
but when amsoil is group 3 it somehow becomes "True Syn Oil" LOL
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Stan
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12/16/2007
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Have you learned nothing?
That is only their XL line for quickie lubes.
The rest of their oils are pure PAO synthetic.
Read this and learn something:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/ot/4751.html
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Stan
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12/16/2007
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Hello again.
Amsoil is a true group 4 PAO synthetic.
Read this and learn something:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/ot/4751.html
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12/16/2007
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read this
then go back to blowing!
"Gee kinda funny when steve put everyone down for using M1 cause in his owrds "its group 3 not real syn"
but when amsoil is group 3 it somehow becomes "True Syn Oil""
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KJ
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12/16/2007
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Nobody uses the XL line partially because they are Group 3. Most people I know spend the extra money and go for the 25,000 mile or one year formula.
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thats ok
Dodge Dakota
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12/16/2007
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you keep it stan
I'll stick with oils that passed API testing and got API approved
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teacher2
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12/17/2007
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API is a minimum rating.
Why pay big bucks for a voluntary test
from the gov't that cost big bucks.
Redline is not API
Amsoil is not API
Some RP is not API
Some Mobil1 is not API
I don't think Redline and Amsoil care
about API tests.
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keep dreaming
Dodge Dakota
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12/17/2007
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"Some RP is not API
Some Mobil1 is not API "
Horse SH!T once again!
Mobil-1 products are ALL API certified!
and so are Royal purple oils!
with exception to race oils
WHICH DO NOT GO IN WARRANTY COVERED MOTORS!
all this has been proven and posted!
guess we'll just have to re-educate your lyin dumb azz and repost it all
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Stan
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12/17/2007
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AGAIN FOR THE Fücking RETARD
API is voluntary and not a mandate.
Redline is not API
Amsoil is not API
Not all Mobil oils are API
Some RP is not API
Who really cares about a gov't label
showing you meet minimum gov't API?
Amsoil exceeds minimum API certification!
GET A LIFE YOU Fücking RETARD.
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TRUTH
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12/17/2007
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Amsoil has gone to Group III (hydrocracked dyno) in only their XL7500 motor oil which continues to have a 7500 mile drain interval. Their other oils (Amsoil Original Synthetic, Series 2000, Series 3000) all remain true synthetic PAO based with ability to go to extended drain intervals.
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TRUTH B TOLD
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12/17/2007
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LOL
TRUTH is amosil could only manage to get that 1 oil API certified!
all their other oils failed API minimum testing!
and that 1 oil is the very same as mobil-1
but at a much higher price!
ow and my owners manual says to ONLY use a API certified oil and changes to be done at 7500 miles!
not a single word saying i need special amsoil to do this
and hey guess what dum dum?
I've been doing my oil changes at 7500 miles
never had a single problem
and i'm close to 200,000 miles now
and never used anything but mobil-1
so stick that in your pipe and smoke it crack head
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Cory Eye_Trip
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12/17/2007
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PROOF POSITIVE
Amsoil is Approved for Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles:
DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL
here is the thread on this forum:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/16998.html
I LEARNED THE TRUTH ABOUT API
All vehicle manufacturers in the U.S. have agreed that a warranty cannot be denied because a customer was using any particular brand of oil that meets specifications, unless an engine failure was directly attributable to the fluid. If it is not a fluid related failure, they cannot void the warranty. The law supports this position.
Plus, the dealer/manufacturer has no way of telling what fluid you are using. How do I know? I am a former aircraft technician. I too was sceptical in the beginning. But now I am a believer.
Amsoil meets and exceeds API specs.
USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE!!!!!!!!!
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ur a moron
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quit your lyin u scumbag
TRUTH is they only carry the 1 and only oil amosil could manage to get API certified!
and its group3 just like mobil-1
but at a much higher price
READ your owners manual you twit!
all their other oils failed API minimum testing!
and that 1 oil is the very same as mobil-1
but at a much higher price!
ow and my owners manual says to ONLY use a API certified oil and changes to be done at 7500 miles!
not a single word saying i need special amsoil to do this
and hey guess what dum dum?
I've been doing my oil changes at 7500 miles
never had a single problem
and i'm close to 200,000 miles now
and never used anything but mobil-1
so stick that in your pipe and smoke it crack head
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Stan
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12/17/2007
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I'm so worked up about this API crap I started using amsoil on my little shatto and I have never felt better! Now if I could just keep from glueing my eye shut from all the detective spunk.
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GraphiteDak
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12/18/2007
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"you keep it stan
I'll stick with oils that passed API testing and got API approved"
For some reason that made me think of "Tommy Boy" when Chris Farley answers that customer about the qaurantee on the box with ..."If you want me to sh!t in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I have time...but for your customer's sake....buy a QUALITY product from me!"
Clearly what people are trying to say is that API is just some dumb test that some motor oil companies have done to make the customers think that their "sh!t in the box", is gonna be guaranteed! Does that mean that any oil that a company doesn't get API certified is not good?
God there are a lot of assweeds on the internet these days!
If you don't trust Amsoil, don't buy it. But WTF you gotta spam the boards with this sh!te for?
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huh
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Graphite,
I am beginning to believe that there is no Stan.
There is only one guy talkig to himself to
flame amsoil and that person is Cory Eye-Trip.
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LOL
Dodge Dakota
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12/18/2007
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GraphiteDak it appears your a brainless wonder and atop the assweed list!
your scamsoil guy is the one spamming and flooding the boards! but by the sounds of it you enjoy bending over and taking it up the arse!
scamsoil has yet to post anything honest!
and everyone of their claims are false!
if you bothered to read the replies
and use your own comment
API is a dumb test?
maybe so but it is a minimum test standard
and again if you bothered reading!!!!
amsoil submitted their oils for testing!
they failed!!!! the minimum test standards!!!
(pretty easy to understand) eh?
2ndly then amsoil went back and cooked up a whole new oil and submitted it for API testing!
and FINALLY! they passed API testing!
and got an oil line API certified!
(pretty easy to under stand again) eh?
what oil did they got API approved?
it is a group3 oil!
just like mobil-1 !!!!!
however again if you bothered to read earlier responses to scamsoils spam posts
amsoil said all group3 oils are fake or crummy oils
but now that amsoil has an oil API certified
their API certified group3 is a real syn oil
Oww thats right i forgot
amsoil has the magical oil fairies sprinkle it with fairy dust!
DuHHHHHHHHHHHHH
if you'd like i can repost the group3 posts ?????
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thruth
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here U go Graphite
and anyone else that has been buying into scamsoils claims
From http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm:
"API Certification, Phosphorus & ZDDP
Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of these on the market). The problem with the non-API certified synthetics is that they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphates)). The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because phosphorus shortens the life of the catalytic converter. These oils are fine for snowmobiles, motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a catalytic converter, and the extra ZDDP does provide additional wear protection. Unfortunately, the marketers of some the non-certified oils do not explicitly and honestly state the reason for the lack of API certification. You can check the status of API certification on the API web site. Be certain to go not just by the manufacturer name but by the actual product as well. This is because a manufacturer will sometimes have both certified and non-certified products. Suffice it to say that Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all make synthetic oils that are API certified and that can be purchased at auto parts stores and other retail outlets. Amsoil has one product line, XL-7500 that is API certified, but it's other lines contain too much ZDDP to be certified and should not be used in vehicles with catalytic converters. "
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Cory Eye_Trip
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Nordic group sells Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline
Of course they are going to say negative things about Amsoil
FYI -
Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all have ZDDP as an additive.
WORSE THAN ZDDP is MOLY
ROYAL PURPLE USES MOLY
ROYAL PURPLE NOT FOR YOUR DAILY DRIVER
this was posted by Gregg earlier:
Quoted from Duluth Diesel in TundraSolutions Forum.
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/839369-post13/
"Not all synthetic oils are the same. Mobile is a Group III synthetic, not a Group IV. Even though the label might say Full Synthetic, it doesn't mean the same thing for all oils. As for extended drain intervals, it is fine to run extended drain intervals with a Group IV synthetic oil if you couple it with better filtration. Not all oil filters are created equal either. Fram and other cheap oil filters don't filter much below 35 micron and are just cellulose (paper based) filters. Higher quality oil filters have synthetic media, not paper, and filter much better. AMSOIL Eao oil filters filter down to 15 micron, and their bypass filtration systems filter down to 2 micron at 98% efficiency.
There are many oils out there that call themselves synthetic, but not all are created equal, and that's important to know. You do get what you pay for. Group III synthetic oils only use about 12% synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdocracked petroleum base stocks. For major oil companies who have their money in crude oil refining, the word "synthetic" is merely a marketing term. It does not mean 100%, but just that a percentage of synthetic base stock goes into their product.
The oils that are commonly mentioned are Group II and Group III synthetics with the exception of Royal Purple, which is a Group V. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO) but also uses Group V Ester technology. It gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics. Mobil 1 is a Group III synthetic. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic.
In the late 1990s, Castrol started selling an oil made from Group III base oil and called it SynTec Full Synthetic. Mobil sued Castrol, asserting that this oil was not synthetic, but simply a highly refined petroleum oil, and therefore it was false advertising to call it synthetic. In 1999, Mobil lost their lawsuit. It was decided that the word "synthetic" was a marketing term and referred to properties, not to production methods or ingredients. Castrol continues to make SynTec out of Group III base oils, that is highly purified mineral oil with most all of the cockroach bits removed.
Shortly after Mobil lost their lawsuit, most oil companies started reformulating their synthetic oils to use Group III base stocks instead of PAOs or diester stocks as their primary component. Most of the "synthetic oil" you can buy today is actually mostly made of this highly-distilled and purified dino-juice called Group III oil. Group III base oils cost about half as much as the synthetics. By using a blend of mostly Group III oils and a smaller amount of "true" synthetics, the oil companies can produce a product that has some of the same properties as the "true" synthetics, and nearly the same cost as the Group III oil. AMSOIL differs from Group III oils. As a Group IV oil, it uses 100% pure synthetic base stocks. This is why you can run it for longer intervals.
Synthetic oils were originally designed for the purpose of having a very pure base oil with excellent properties. By starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces, you can pretty much guarantee that every molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the properties are exactly what you designed in, not compromised by impurities. Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about 1990. The original synthetics were designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their high- performance turbo-charged radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical called an olefin, and make new molecules by attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
These PAO base oils have an enormous advantage over mineral base oils in low temperature performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the oil from forming acids.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is called Group V. Esters start life as fatty acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters, diesters, and polyesters. Group V base stocks are the most expensive of all to produce. However, the esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an ester base oil all by itself will do a very decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about making a superior oil will usually mix some Group V oils into their base stock.
Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils. Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter, whereas Group IV oils are better suited for the long haul of extended intervals.
Whatever oil you choose, know what you are buying. Just because the jug says "synthetic" doesn't mean it is made from 100% pure synthetic base stocks."
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Stan
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RECAP:
Mobil oil is a Group III synthetic, not a Group IV.
AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO) with Group V Ester technology.
Amsoil gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics.
Amsoil PAO base oils have an enormous advantage over mineral base oils in low temperature performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the oil from forming acids.
As a Group IV oil, Amsoil uses 100% pure synthetic base stocks.
This is why you can run Amsoil for longer intervals.
Need we say more?
YES -----
As Cory stated in another post:
PROOF POSITIVE AMSOIL IS APPROVED BY DODGE
Amsoil is Approved for Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles:
DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL
here is the thread on this forum:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/16998.html
USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!
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Food4 thought
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Q: AMSOIL will be using a different formula for its XL-7500 Motor Oils. Why did AMSOIL change the formula?
A: Our XL-7500 oils are the oils of choice in the retail oil change market, and primarily because of warranty concerns the customers in this market require API-certified oils. In order to obtain API SL/ILSAC GF-3 certification and still remain cost-competitive with the other oils sold at retail oil change outlets, we had to change to Group III basestocks. To obtain API certification with our top tier basestocks would have priced our Dealers out of the market.
Gee kinda funny when steve put everyone down for using M1 cause in his owrds "its group 3 not real syn"
but when amsoil is group 3 it somehow becomes "True Syn Oil"
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