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N56629
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8/25/2006
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There is no shortage of people doing just like that. I've seen V8's in VW's and even a Yugo. I guess it's call daring to be different. Those that follow wouldn't understand.
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Rob C
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8/25/2006
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Yeah N56629, I'm trying to figure out what nut you've been following because he does know what he's talking about. There's a lot of people talking theorically and in generalities. V10's in a Geo Metro, V8's in a VW or Yugo. The question was, can you carburet a 4.7 magnum engine? Those of us that have our heads screwed on straight have commented that it's either not beneficial nor easily done and definitely financially challenging but, not impossible. Others have attempted to claim to be "leaders" and brave risk takers willing to think outside the box, etc. But for all the fertilizer that's being flung none of you brave pioneers or innovative explorers have offered any serious information on how to replace the fuel injection on the 4.7 magnum V8 with a carburetor. No, us chickens are explaining specific challenges related to the 4.7 engine and powertrain management system and you macho daredevils are explaining that if you tell someone they can't dig to China with a teaspoon, they'll prove you wrong, someone will do it blindfolded with one hand tied behind their back! While us cowardly lemmings are taking into account that Greg is probably an average guy with a Dakota that he wants to modify on a budget, all you fearless trailbrazers assume he's Bill Gates using an alias.
The beauty of your argument is you don't have to explain how to do something, just criticize us for not having the ingenuity or daring to do it.
You must have taken all your debating lessons from left wing liberals. No solutions, plenty of criticism and of course the stories; "I once saw a guy put a big block chevy in a moped because someone said he couldn't do it!"
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N56629
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8/25/2006
21:50:30
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"none of you brave pioneers or innovative explorers have offered any serious information on how to replace the fuel injection on the 4.7 magnum V8 with a carburetor."
What part of fabricating an intake manifold didn't you understand? It's really not that hard to do. We also talked about the fuel delivery system. Missed it, huh? Distributorless ignitions are very commone today but apparently you didn't know that either.
Your first comment was -"NO! It's not feasible and just about impossible."
You were wrong then and you are wrong now. Greg wanted to know if it was "possible." He was not interested nor did he ask your opinion on such a project. If you don't have a clue as to where to start, why not just say so and move on?
Just the fact that the 5.7 Hemi carburated crate engine is available should tell you that it is not only possible but also of interest. I understand that you have absolutly no intrest in such a project but I have no idea why you want to shove your opinion down everyone's throat. I guess you commies are all alike. You want everyone to follow. Daring to be different is not a party trait.
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clint
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8/25/2006
22:26:48
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a v10 in a geo huh? that sounds kol.... lol you guys gotta chill. it aint that big-a-deal. i read these quad magazines and people write in to the tech guy and ask all the time "can a cr500 motor fit in my trx90 frame" and he answers the same everytime. if you do enough hackin and modifying you can get it to fit. we all know that here. so i say NOONE should post another damn thing unless it says 1. how to put a carb on a 4.7 or 2.... NOTHING.
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N56629
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8/25/2006
22:52:25
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There you have it, folks, if you don't have a step by step explaination for every question we don't want you posting in this forum.
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intensedak39
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8/28/2006
16:18:24
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msd has a carburetor conversion ignition controller for the LS1..
and the 4.7 having the same basic ignition as the LS1, I bet with
some work, it could work.
MSD-6010 - carburetor ignition controller
MSD-60101 - distributor to ignition wiring harness
you could probably either switch to the LS1 style sensors and
put them on a 4.7, or possibly replace all the GM style
connectors on the LS1 harness with ones that will fit a 4.7. It
may not be that simple, but it could... replace all the coil packs
on the 4.7 with the MSD coil packs and it will probably go even
smoother.
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GraphiteDak
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8/28/2006
19:29:31
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They make MSD coil packs for the 4.7???
The stockers seem to be working ok.
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intensedak39
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8/28/2006
20:20:47
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they are not bolt on... but it can be done.
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clint
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8/28/2006
22:41:34
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see now thats some badass info lol. its awsome to know what kinda parts you can swap from another vehicle tomake your wich is a totaly different kind of vehicle better
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intensedak39
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8/28/2006
23:01:46
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non of that is plug and play... will take some tinkering.. but it's a
start.
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Barney
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8/29/2006
00:26:23
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I put a rear swaybar from a nissan pathfinder on the rear of my Dak, for 3 reasons:
1. The dak didnt have a rear sway bar.
2. The nissan bar fit better than one from a durango.
3. Its over an inch thick.
So there.
Corners like a dream.
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intensedak39
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8/29/2006
01:28:27
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it's fun and games to mock it and all... but without a little work,
there wouldnt be much offered for magnums.
btw, the Comp Cams roller rockers magnum owners are using are
listed for Chevy Small blocks and the pushrod guide plates are
listed for Ford Small blocks.
BB chevy, SB ford, BB mopar and SB mopar all use the same
mechanical fuel pump cover (if equiped)... there's tons more.
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4.7onN20
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8/29/2006
02:09:50
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KRC used to build an intake manifold for carbed 4.7.
I dont think it would be that hard of a project just very costly and time consuming. Once again there are better and more cost effective effective mods but everybody likes to be different.
V10 in a geo LOL. That would be sweet. I have seen a 375 horse LT1 Fiero though so I dont doubt you could stuff a V10 in a geo.
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N56629
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8/29/2006
06:50:49
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My RR's are Ford and the guide plates are Olds.
I think the fabbed up intake manifold, that I saw on KRC, is for the the hemi. I suppose they could have done one for the 4.7. Anyway, it's pretty straight forward if you have the welding and fabricating skills. Personally, I would stick with the injectors and do an IR manifold. It would be different and be way cool.
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Old Dak
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8/29/2006
10:03:55
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To rob C- Get the sand out of your ears, Grab your TIG and get welding. Fabbing a manifold is not rocket science and not bank braking. Time and effort,yes but when you want what they don,t make- make your own. I grew up in farm country were if you needed it you built it. My daily driver from 77 to 03 was a 66 shortbed that went from a 352 3speed drum brakes to 428 5speed with a fiberglass flipforeward frontend with 4 wheel disk brakes( adapted many year parts for that). It can be done and on beer income. Cut, weld, file, sand, DRIVE. If you can,t build a set of motormounts or mod a trans mount, remain quiet!
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trukguy
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8/29/2006
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a farmer could put a carb on a 4.7 and make it work. i think they got all the inspiration for the McGyver show from "farm technology" where you can make anything from bailing wire and duct tape. farm educated mechanical skills rule.
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N56629
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8/29/2006
14:22:21
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I think it was Rob that kept citing Summit Racing. Apparently if they don't carry it then there is no point in creating it yourself because it simply can't be done or it is to complex for us peons.
Here's an ignition recommendation from another forum.
"Ford EDIS is a distributorless ignition system that’s pretty easy to adapt to just about any internal combustion piston engine out there—you just need to mount (weld) a 36-1 trigger wheel to your crank pulley and build a bracket for the VR sensor to locate it next to the trigger wheel. That’s the hardest part and the only fab work. The rest is a bit of wiring. The EDIS system has an EDIS module and a coil pack. The module is wired to the VR sensor and the MegaSquirt, and also the coil pack. The MegaSquirt-II is what I would recommend for EDIS control and will take full control of an EDIS ignition system easily."
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GraphiteDak
GenIII
8/29/2006
17:23:42
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The MS-II Megasquirt is a stand alone EFI and the new ones have spark too.
SOme day I'm going to build a new dual port plenum for my 4.7 when I get teh time to do it.
ALl I need to do is take my extra 4.7 and mock it up on that first and drop it on my Dak's 4.7
I want to use long/smaller runners for low end torque, but then switch to direct SHORT runners on high RPM's. The Chevy engines have shorter runners I believe and think that is why the 4.8 Chevy starts out weak and takes off like a bat out of hell once it hits high R's. The 4.7 was mildly tuned, mostly down low I think.
I'd like to see what it could do with a modified intake.
KRC has a tunnel ram looking intake for the 4.7 But looks like it would not work for any low end on a STOCK engine.
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clint
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8/29/2006
19:55:48
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what year pathfiner was that on? and how much fab work was there? that sounds like an awsome and easy upgrade for my shop class lol. i only got 4 hrs a day out of 7 chillin in the shop at school
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N56629
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8/29/2006
20:32:54
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Ok, I see the manifold you are talking about. You are right, it doesn't look like it would make much torque. Big plenum and short runners just don't get it on a small block.
It doesn't look like GregK was really interested in this project after all. He started this thread and then ran away. LOL
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