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Luke93
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5/02/2004
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I have read where some of you are advancing your timing with a crank sensor mod. Can someone give me a link to explain this mod better?
What kind of gains will this mod give? Is 91 octane required? I had a Mopar Performance computer on my Dakota for a while and it was a joke....no power gains, only more carbon buildup. Is this mod better than the Mopar Performance computer?
Thanks!
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Luke
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2004
10:56:58
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Go to http://www.krcperformance.com/newcontent/timing.html it will tell ya all you need to know.
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hater
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2004
13:24:46
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what engine do you have? mopar pcm a joke? haha, I think you got ripped off and sold a stocker, more carbon build up? who the f uck are you?
crank sensor mod is usually good for 2 to 3 degrees of timing, the mopart pcms usually dump in 6.
go kill yourself
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daffydak
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5/02/2004
13:37:00
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Speaking of the crank sensor, will one from a 2000 3.9 work on my 98? I bought one the other day off ebay (its in the mail still) I wanted to buy one to mod, so i don’t accidentally screw up my stock one (truck is my daily driver)
thanks for any help!!
Dan
mopar=mopower
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Luke93
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2004
14:04:24
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Thanks Luke! That was what I was looking for.
Hater
What engine do I have? Well, lets see....it's a Dakota hence the fact I am writing in on a Dakota board....and, it's a V6 forum so it must be a 3.9L. No, it didn't help with power. It pulls better now than it did with the Mopar Performance computer. And yes, it built more carbon in the intake since I had to use 91+ octane. I know it was the real thing because it had 90 octane in the tank when I installed it and pinged pretty bad until I filled with higher octane gas.
Hater, you are full of crap. You are obviously one of those morons who has no real answer to anyones questions but finds it necessary to make ignorant smart ass comments. Maybe you should go kill yourself if you have nothing better to do than heckle. And....who am I? Who are you? What does it matter? I am just a fellow Dakota owner who had some questions. This is my first time posting here. Thanks for making it apparent to me that I can just ignore anything you post in the future.
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hater
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5/02/2004
14:14:25
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Look here a ss hole. if it pinged it aparently was advancing the timing quite a bit. If the crank mod only gives you 2 to 3 gegrees of advance you are not going to get the same results. Just because you are buring higher octane isnt going to carbon up the motor if the engine is buring all the fuel. What year is you dak? there are no mopar pcm's for any of the obdII daks.
yes, as I said before go kill yourself
as long as the sensor from the 2000 is from the same tranny as yours it will work, they are trans specific.
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Luke93
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2004
14:22:43
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There really is no need to be such a prick. Maybe you need to go take some anger management classes....or a couple dozen valiums.
My Dakota is a 1993 so, no, it's not OBDII.
I was just curious because I had read little bits and pieces about the mod. I didn't even know if it would work for me or not. I was just asking for a link so I could read more about it.
Maybe if you can't be a good little boy, mommy and daddy should limit your internet use.
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TOMZ
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5/02/2004
15:36:07
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Luke93,
A couple of things come to mind. One,you mention carbon buildup in the INTAKE manifold. Since no gas actually goes in the intake manifold, there shouldn't be any carbon buildup here. Could this and your pinging problem be a result of a plenum gasket leak?
Also, you might try useing a colder plug, such as the AP3923 and a 180 degree thermostat. This could possibly help the pinging some. A final thing you might try, but you have probably done this, is to make sure your throttle body is clean.
By the way, what have you done with the performance computer? If you don't need it I'd be happy to take it off your hands. Just drop me an email and give me a price. I hope I've helped in some small way.
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Luke93
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5/02/2004
15:43:44
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Thanks TOMZ, I would sell it to you but I sold it on eBay quite a while back. Yes, my plenum gasket does leak. I just have not had the time to fix it. I do have the Autolite copper 3923's in the truck as well as a 180 thermostat. It didn't ping on 91+ octane with the performance computer, it was only with the 90 octane when I installed it. Also, it doesn't ping at all with the original computer.
No carbon in the intake? What is the black stuff that builds up in all intakes then? I figured it was carbon from the EGR. The throttle body is teflon coated and therefore never gets dirty. Nothing sticks to it. I have checked it many times but it is always spotless.
Thanks for your input.
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TOMZ
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5/02/2004
16:19:46
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Luke93,
The black stuff in the intake is sludge, it came from the pcv and the leak in the intake plenum. Mine was fine for the first 10yrs I had the truck it was only recently that the plenums started to leak. I guess they built them better in the early years. Anyway, I'm going to be putting in one of the alluminum plenums from hughes eng. and hope it lasts another 10yrs.
Another thing you mght try is the iat relocate. This may or may not lower your mileage but it will help stop that ping, which is th more dangrous of the 2.
Something we all have to remember is power=efficiecy=mileage HOPEFULLY!
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Luke93
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2004
16:40:21
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It doesn't ping now. It only pinged with the performance computer with 90 octane. It was fine with 91+. Yes, I want to get one of the alluminum covers from Hughes also.
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Roys95dak
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2004
18:09:33
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Mopar reccomends premium fuel with their performance computers (93) octane. Thats why you experienced dtonation with 90 octane dumbass. You need to fix you plenum leak before you go and try to advance the timing by repositioning the crank sensor.
If you didnt notice a performance difference with the pcm, you are not going to notice anything with the crank sensor mod
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Luke93
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2004
19:33:18
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Dumbass? Jeez, some of the people on this board are very juvenile. Has anyone ever heard of giving a simple answer without name calling?
Yes, I am aware that the performance computers require premium. If you had read everything I have written, I said it had some 90 octane when I installed the computer and when I filled it up with premium 92 octane, it was fine. Maybe in the future you will read all that is said before opening your mouth and showing everyone how ignorant you are.
And yes, the intake leak will be fixed before I do anything else. I was just asking for a link to read about it. I wasn't planning on running right out and doing it. Some of us choose to read up on some things so we can learn about them rather than acting like children.
Thank you to those of you who were able to post a reply without being childish.
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Roys95dak
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2004
21:45:31
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wow you are queer
Whats to read on the mod? You notch the body of the crank sensor so it will slide back and forth on the bolts, move it as far as you can to the passengers side and you will gain 2 to 3 degrees of timing. If you were not impressed with the pcm since it adds upwards of 6 degrees of timing plus raised limiters and a revised fuel curve dont waste your time hacking up a 75 dollar sensor...
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Matt
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5/02/2004
22:41:20
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Agree with above.
How long did you have the MOPAR PCM in? I've heard from several people that you don't notice it that much because you need to let it learn. So you gradually feel the gains. You only feel how much a difference it made when you pull one out that was running at 100% and go back to the stock. I suspect that you either didn't let it learn long enough, or the plenum leak was seriously hurting your performance. The leak is much more noticable the richer you run your mixture and the more timing you add. So basicly the leak was counteracting what the PCM was adding. Definatly get that leak fixed before you try to do anything else. Might even take the opertunity to port your manifold while you have it apart.
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Luke
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2004
23:07:11
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Forget most of the people on here. GB2000, DaffyDak, Lary, and any other members you know are going to be good sorces of info. The people that are to scared to put their name on things you know can be ignored. And then you get people like me, put their name on their post but are not members. I would say listen to about 50 to 75% of what these people say. By the way no problem on the link.
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hater
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5/02/2004
23:18:39
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What in the hell does that have to do with anything fa ggot?
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