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greendak
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4/22/2004
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My transmission decided to start slipping on me. After it shifts into 2nd, its all downhill. I was wondering if n e one in the Hickory, NC area knew n e one that rebuilds them at a price that isnt too high.
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4/23/2004
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4/23/2004
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Bob Lincoln
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4/23/2004
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More info?
Did it start to slip suddenly one day, or is this gradual? Is the fluid level OK when checked idling hot in neutral? Is it burned or contaminated?"After it shifts into 2nd, its all downhill."
Are you saying it doesn't slip until it goes into 2nd? And does it slip in all gears above that?
I'd start with fluid and filter change, and adjust the bands first. Costs about $15 for materials if you do it yourself, maybe $60 to have it done. See if that helps first.
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greendak
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4/23/2004
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After it shifts into 2nd is when it starts slipping. When I took the tranny pan off, the fluid was darker than normal and smelled a little burned. I was talkin to a guy I know and he said that more than likely my clutches were bad.
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Bob Lincoln
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4/23/2004
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Could very well be. But I'd do the fluid and filter change, and band adjustment first. Slipping can be also caused by improper band adjustment. Probably the front band in this case. That's adjustable from the outside of the tranny.
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greendak
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4/23/2004
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I changed the filter and fluid already. I also found metal shavings on the magnet inside the pan. What do I look for on the outside of the tranny housing to adjust the band(s)? Oh yeah, the slipping has been gradual. I'd say it prolly started around the end of January/first of February but it wasn't that bad and then around the first weekend in March, it started slipping real noticable and I didn't want to do any more damage and just parked it. I am trying to come up with some funds to have it fixed. Sorta in a pickle b/c work is slow and bills keep comin in.
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another mark
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4/23/2004
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I don't think it's been mentioned yet but I would be alarmed about the dark color of the fluid and the fact it smelt burnt. Tranny fluid should be a bright cherry color, I realize it probably gets a bit darker in use. May need a transmission expert to look it over good. Hate to see you cause any more damage by driving it before it's been fixed especially since you said you have metal shavings. If no one posts on how to do the band adjustment I can tell you how to do it as I have a the FSM and another service manual which tell you how, it's pretty simple. One of the bands is adjusted externally on the driver's side of the tranny, the other one you will have to drop the pan to get to. If you don't want to buy a manual and want to find out how you can email me at thisismydummyaccount@yahoo.com and I'll reply soon.
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greendak
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4/23/2004
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okey doke. I have been trying to get some funds and have tried to rule out the cheaper repairs b4 spending big bux on a possible rebuild. I think the sensors are still ok b/c the check engine light has stayed off. But like I said, the slipping began @the end of Jan. but didn't happen but a couple times like when I pressed the gas to pass a car, it just made the engine rev really high and I let off and then it was fine. Then, in March it started slippin when I pressed the gas down a little more like when going uphill and it did it when I was goin down the interstate and the engine revved high again. Guess that info might help a little. sorry for xtra-long post.
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another mark
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4/23/2004
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You know I did a fluid flush once on my tranny in the Dakota, and long story short apparently drained some fluid from the torque converter and it took a few weeks before the tranny seemed normal again. I'd be driving and initially the engine would rev high when I first started up to drive forward and sometimes after coming to a stop at a light it would rev high again before moving forward. Your description in your last post makes me think of that.
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Bob Lincoln
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4/24/2004
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Not only is burned fluid bad, but metal shavings are bad news, too. I think you need to have it flushed professionally, as some shavings might have gotten into the cooler lines and tank. But that's more money, try the cheaper things first:
To adjust the front band, look on the outside left of the case, near the downshift linkage, and you should see a hex adjusting screw threaded into a nex locknut. Now, someone will have to give you the exact specs for your year (which I didn't see posted), as they might vary, but here's the front band adjustment for a '92:
Loosen the locknut about 4-5 turns. Make sure the adjusting nut is free to turn relative to the locknut. Torque the adjusting screw to 72 in-lbs (8 N-m). Then back off 2 1/2 turns on it. Hold adjuster screw still and tighten locknut to 30 ft-lbs (41 N-m).
I've found that you hold the screw and finger-tighten the nut, then torque it. You need a small and medium range torque wrenches, sockets and a short extension. It's really easy if you can reach your fingers in around the linkage.
The rear band, which is only active in R and 1-Low, is adjusted from inside the case. Doesn't sound like that would affect your condition. Good luck.
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bobsadope
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4/24/2004
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metal shavings in the pan are NORMAL contrary to what the above moron said. they are a normal part of the normal wear that goes on between the clutch packs as they engage and disengage, the only time it is a real problem is when there are a lot, say 2 tablespoons or more, but that only indicates that the clutch packs are worn and need replacing. also on every auto tranny I have ever been inside, there is a FILTER that prevents the shavings from ever getting back into the tranny, lines, or anywhere else so that arguement makes no sense. And what "Tank" is Boob refering too, never seen a part refered to as a "tank" in on or part of a auto tranny setup. if you remove the tranny yourself, some tranny shops will replace the packs for a lot less money then if they have to do the R/R work on it. For those not familiar with auto tranny clutches, the packs I refer to are mutiple layers of clutch friction disks that are used instead of one large disk like in a manual tranny. they are smaller in diameter but make up for it by being many layers that can handle the same clutch load.
I hope Boob (oh darn I spelled his name wrong, again!)is not posing as a mechanic, as if he is I sure would not want to have him workin on my ride!
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Bob Lincoln
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4/24/2004
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I see that kindergarten is out again, with the name-calling.
The reason that the metal shavings are a big concern is that there is also slippage and burned fluid. While the poster didn't state the quantity, the combination of all three tells even the most inept namecaller that there is serious damage, not normal wear.
The "tank" is the tranny cooler built into the radiator. Call it what you want. If you read about cooler lines, it should light up even the dimmest bulbs trying to think about what the lines connect to.
I have never found metal shavings in any of my trannies when changing fluid and filter. I know that a small quantity is considered normal, but I have only found a small amount of muddy clutch dust.
If you really had any automotive knowledge to share, it would not be sprinkled with childish insults. It just defines your lack of character and demeans your own response. He has serious issues which you are downplaying. But go ahead and keep posting insults, it will show how little value you can contribute.
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Bob Lincoln
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4/24/2004
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By the way, if the shavings happen to be coming from the torque converter, they reach the cooler before the filter, so they WILL accumulate in the lines and the cooler. And a flush is ALWAYS recommended by Chrysler when contamination is present.
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greendak
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4/24/2004
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Thanx for the replies. I will probably have to end up rebuilding the tranny. I forgot to mention that reverse slips some too. BTW, the truck is a 97.
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Bob Lincoln
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4/24/2004
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Band adjustment is free, only takes a few minutes. I'd try that before condemning it to a rebuild. It may improve, just enough to get you by for awhile. With the fluid scorched, it has overheated/burned.
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greendak
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4/25/2004
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Do the Haynes Manuals tell how to adjust the bands on a 97???? I do most of the work on my truck, but never done a band adjustment. If anyone knows how that would be just great. lol.
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Bob Lincoln
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Look back to my post of 4/24 at 09:08, tells how.
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dickie
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97-00 Chiltons Manual Front Band Adjustment
The front kickdown band adjusting screw is located on the left-hand side of the transmission case above the manual and throttle valve levers.
Loosen band asjusting screw locknut 3-5 turns, be sure the screw turns freely.
Tighten band adjusting screw to 72 in-lbs (6 ft-lbs) TORQUE is CRITICAL, if using an extension torque to 50in-lbs (4.2 ft-lbs)
Back off adjusting screw by the following amounts:
42RE: 3-5/8" turns <-- This is probably yours
44RE: 2-1/4" turns
46RE: 2-7/8" turns
47RE: 1-7/8" turns
Hold adjusting screw in position and tighten the locknut to 30 ft-lbs.
Have fun. By the way get yourself a manual for pics.
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greendak
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4/27/2004
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I found my Haynes manual sunday night. I'll have to get out and try adjusting the band in the next few days.
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