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GB2000
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4/12/2004
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What a rip-off... Just kidding!
Actually, Steve I had some questions for ya. My dad's Chrysler Town & Country van has a problem with the lifters ticking pretty badly. The dealership told him he needs new lifters and it'll cost $1300. It's a lease and he's not about to put that much money into it when the lease is gonna be up in a year or so. My grandpa suggested changing oils because he's always been using Pennzoil (from the local quickie lube place). I suggested that maybe he could try Amsoil and see if that helps, but he was concerned that since his van has around 52,000 miles that synthetic oil could mess stuff up in the engine and he doesn't want to do more harm than good. I told him I didn't think there was any problems with it, but I'd double-check with the Amsoil sponsor on our board. If you don't wanna reply here since this is sorta off-topic, would you email me your reply at GB2000ATwoh.rr.com? Thanks,
Josh
Red 98 RC V6 2wd Single in/dual out exhaust (soon to be switched to a flowmaster 40 single in/dual out), s-bolt "mod", Edelbrock 10" round air cleaner w/ K&N air filter, removed rubber flap...and more to come
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4/12/2004
13:29:08
|  Amsoil - Auto-Rx - Engine Flush - Synthetic Myths
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GB2000
Have your father try Auto-Rx (www.Auto-Rx.com)
I have recommended it multiple times on this site.
IMHO, it is the best flush on the market.
From my personal knowledge and per their website, Auto-Rx is a synthetic, biodegradable, highly effective, safe metal cleaner. Auto-RX is gentle, slow acting, and thorough. I know many vehicle owners that have used it and no one has reported any problems.
Auto-RX is inert in your oil,it does not negatively affect any aspect of your host oil except to clean and disburse crud to the oil filter. There are no negatives associated with it's use. Auto-RX was developed as an alternative to solvents for a slower non hazardous alternative that does not deplete, but ends up disbursing the crud in a very small form ... small enough to flow by bearings etc.
If anyone decides to use this Auto-RX product (For the record ... I do not sell it) FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS RELIGIOUSLY.
I wish that I sold it ... but it is a proprietary product.
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Now ...
Let's put to bed some of the objections you will hear concerning the use of synthetic engine lubricants (some are old debates ... some are new): (Your Father's concern is answered in Myth #10)
Myth #1: Synthetic motor oils damage seals
Untrue. It would be foolhardy for lubricant manufacturers to build a product that is incompatible with seals. The composition of seals presents problems that both petroleum oils and synthetics must overcome. Made from elastomers, seals are inherently difficult to standardize. Ultimately it is the additive mix in the oil that counts. Additives to control seal swell, shrinkage and hardening are required, whether it be a synthetic or petroleum product that is being produced.
Myth #2: Synthetics are too thin to stay in the engine
Untrue. In order for a lubricant to be classified in any SAE grade (10W-30, 10W-40, etc) it has to meet certain guidelines with regard to viscosity ("thickness"). For example, it makes no difference whether it is 10W-40 petroleum or 10W-40 synthetic, at -25 degrees centigrade (-13F) and 100 degrees centigrade (212 degrees F) that oil has to maintain a standardized viscosity or it can't be rated a 10W-40.
Myth #3: Synthetics cause cars to use more oil
Untrue. Synthetic motor oils are intended to use in mechanically sound engines, that is, engines that don't leak. In such engines oil consumption will actually be reduced. First, because of the lower volatility of synlubes. Second, because of the better sealing characteristics between piston rings and cylinder walls. And finally, because of the superior oxidation stability (i.e. resistance of synthetics against reacting with oxygen at high temperatures.)
Myth #4: Synthetic lubricants are not compatible with petroleum
Untrue. The synthesized hydrocarbons, polyalphaolefins, diesters and other materials that form the base stocks of high quality name brand synthetics are fully compatible with petroleum oils. In the old days, some companies used untested ingredients that were not compatible, causing quality synthetic lubricants to suffer a bad reputation. Fortunately, those days are long gone. Compatibility is something to keep in mind, however, whether using petroleum oils or synthetics. It is usually best to use the same oil for topping off that you have been running in the engine. That is, it is preferable to not mix your oils, even if it is Valvoline or Quaker State you are using. The reason is this: the functions of additives blended for specific characteristics can be offset when oils with different additive packages are put together. For optimal performance, it is better to use the same oil throughout.
Myth #5: Synthetic lubricants produce sludge
Untrue. In point of fact, synthetic motor oils are more sludge resistant than their petroleum counterparts, resisting the effects of high temperatures and oxidation. In the presence of high temperatures, two things happen. First, an oil's lighter ingredients boil off, making the oil thicker. Second, many of the complex chemicals found naturally in petroleum base stocks begin to react with each other, forming sludge, gums and varnishes. One result is a loss of fluidity at low temperatures, slowing the timely flow of oil to the engine for vital engine protection. Further negative effects of thickened oil include the restriction of oil flow to critical areas, greater wear and loss of fuel economy. Because of their higher flash points, and their ability to withstand evaporation loss and oxidation, synthetics are much more resistant to sludge development.
Myth #6: Synthetics can't be used with catalytic converters or oxygen sensors
Untrue. In fact the very low ash content of synthetics will extend the life of every exhaust system component.
Myth #7: Synthetics void warranties
Untrue. No major manufacturer of automobiles specifically bans the use of synthetic lubricants. In point of fact, increasing numbers of high performance cars are arriving on the showroom floors with synthetic motor oils as factory fill. Which may not make the dealers too happy since oil changes usually lead to other service work.
Myth #8: Synthetics last forever
Untrue. Although some experts feel that synthetic base stocks themselves can be used forever, it is well known that eventually the additives will falter and cause the oil to require changing. However, by "topping off", additives can be replenished. Through good filtration and periodic oil analysis, synthetic motor oils protect an engine for lengths of time far beyond the capability of non synthetics. Amsoil's unique additives packages allow for extended drain intervals.
Myth #9: Synthetics are too expensive
Untrue. Tests and experience have proven that synthetics can greatly extend drain intervals, provide better fuel economy, reduce engine wear and enable vehicles to operate with greater reliability. All these elements combine to make synthetic engine lubricants more economical than conventional non synthetics. In Europe, synthetics have enjoyed increasing acceptance as car buyers look first to performance and long term value rather than initial price. As more sophisticated technology places greater demands on today's motor oils, we will no doubt see an increasing re-evaluation of oil buying habits in this country as well.
Myth #10: Synthetic oils contain detergents that can make the oil seals leak in older cars
Synthetic lubricants do have an inherent detergency that cleans and removes conventional motor oil deposits left over in an engine. However, motor oils are designed to help swell seals slightly to prevent leakage. The only time you would observe seal leakage is if the seals are already damaged or showing signs of leakage around them. As long as the vehicle has been well maintained, and in good mechanical condition, it can be switched to a synthetic lubricant at any mileage.
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There are other MYTHS and non-truths circulating the forums, garages, and race tracks. The nine above are just a few that I wanted to address.
Conclusions
Since their inception, manufacturers of synthetic motor oils have sought to educate the public about the facts regarding synthetics, and the need for consumers to make their lubrication purchasing decisions based on quality rather than price. As was the case with microwave ovens or electric lights, a highly technological improvement must often overcome a fair amount of public skepticism and consumer inertia before it is embraced by the general population. But the word has been getting out as a growing number of motorists worldwide experience the benefits of synthetic lubrication. The wave of the future, in automobile lubrication, is here, and Amsoil has lead the march, recently celebrating their 30th year in business. For the environmental enthusiasts, the use of synthetics could reduce waste oil disposal by 80%, so if environment is your thing, then synthetic lubricants should be your choice.
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If anyone would like to Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog you can do so by clicking on the following link.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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GB2000
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4/12/2004
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Thanks alot for the info! I passed it on to my dad.
Josh
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Chiz
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4/13/2004
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I thought this was going to be an Ayn Rand post. Fooled me.
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daknblk
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4/13/2004
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Chiz, I think that would be Howard Roark!
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Howard Roark Rocks!
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GB2000
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12/31/2007
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You dug up a 3 1/2 year old post for that? Good job...
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Christian
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12/31/2007
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GB2000, It is obvious to me that someone searched for the name Steve Roark on this site just to bump it to the top to start a flamathon. There is too much of that going on already and people need to learn some dignity and respect for others.
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nice try
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the only one that bumped this thread was Steve himself!
who by the way is behind all the spamming flooding and flaming of this place of late!
"He wants you to buy Amsoil and become an Amsoil dealer not because it's good for you or your car or your wallet but because it benefits his wallet. He's a salesman, and he's here because he doesn't want to pay for advertisements. Amsoil is a multi-level marketing scheme.
You know the difference between a dead possum on the highway and a dead Amsoil salesman on the highway?
There are swerve marks before the possum.
So let's use Amsoil synthetics as an example of how synthetics are mostly useless. This is an easy one. Amsoil says certain of their products are good for 25,000 miles or 1 year. That's for normal driving. For severe service it's 15,000 miles or 1 year. All of that depends on you using an Amsoil oil filter and changing it in 6 months or half the mileage interval. That oil costs $6.35 per quart, and the filters are $10-$12 each. A name-brand, high-quality conventional motor oil costs about $2.00 per quart, and you can get a high-quality oil filter for $5-$6. so Amsoil costs over 3x more than regular oil. OK, so let's say your car takes 4 quarts of oil, your driving doesn't fall into the severe service category, and you drive 12,500 miles per year.
Here's the scenario: You have a recent model GM car with the Oil Life Monitor system that calculates the remaining lifetime of your motor oil based on mileage, temperatures, engine RPMs, and other factors. You changed your oil with Havoline 10W-30 and a $5.00 AC-Delco oil filter one year ago and drove 11,000 miles, and the Oil Change light just illuminated on your dashboard. You do a used oil analysis on that used conventional oil at a cost of $20 and it shows that the oil was protecting your engine just fine when you drained it. So your oil change cost you a total of $13 and with the analysis $33.
If you had used Amsoil, you would have paid $25.40 for the 4 quarts of oil, plus another $20-$24 for two Amsoil filters, so without even doing the analysis, you have already paid $47 for an oil change instead of $13. You have the analysis done on the Amsoil oil and you find that it also was protecting your engine just fine. What have you gained by using Amsoil? Was it worth the 362% higher cost of Amsoil?
The days of 3000 mile oil changes are gone, but that's what Amsoil still quotes in their numbers, and the latest Oil Life Monitor system from GM will extend your oil change interval to 12,500 miles if you drive the car normally and not in severe service. GM wouldn't tell you to go 12,500 miles before getting an oil change if it was going to damage your engine because it would give them an even worse reputation for quality compared to the Japanese automakers. New engines and new engine oils are far, far better than they were even a few years ago, and as time goes on, Amsoil and synthetic oils in general become less and less relevant. They'll quote you all kinds of 4-ball wear tests and tons and tons of totally irrelevant facts and statistics. All you need to remember is this: When was the last time you heard of somebody who changed their oil regularly with ANY kind of oil having their engine die an early death because of lubrication problems? That's all that matters really, but Amsoil would like you to believe your car won't last as long with regular oil. Think for yourself about it. Have you ever heard of such a problem? By the time a car gets that many miles on it, so many other things would have broken and been replaced that the engine would be cheap by comparison.
Do yourself a favor and avoid Amsoil and other synthetic oils. Put the money you save in your vacation or retirement account, donate it to a worthy charity, or take your special someone out for dinner. Don't give it to an oil salesman for a mostly useless product."
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Nelson
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12/31/2007
15:53:49
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Nice going flamer. I suspect you were the one who bumped this thread. Then you copied and pasted somebody elses writing from another forum. You can't even write something original.
Synthetic oils have been proven to be better. There is more to the issue than the cost. Better protection and better performance in hot and cold climates. Especially cold winter start ups when the engine is most vunerable. Add to that better MPG and HP and longer drains helps protect the environment.
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eat sh1t too
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12/31/2007
17:30:51
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your the one bumping the dam threads!
and flame? flame your azz
that was a statement
don't like hearing critics
then quit spamming
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Christian
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flamer, It is obvious to me that you searched for the name Steve Roark on this site just to bump it to the top to start a flamathon. There is too much of that going on already and people need to learn some dignity and respect for others.
Unfortunately after you bumped this thread you had to add to the flamathon not once but twice.
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12/31/2007
20:09:14
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hey stan listen
blow me!
it obvious your a flaming h0m0
your work in the off topic board speaks loud an clear
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G.A.Y.B.O.I.
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21:14:54
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hello???????????????
Whether you give a blow job or receive
a blow job you are a G.A.Y.B.O.I
It is obvious your a flaming h0m0 flamer.
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Dodge Dakota
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12/31/2007
22:49:29
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after reading the below information
3 people have turned away from scamsoil in the past 2 weeks!
we can bring the posts back up to prove it!
your scamsoil guy keeps flooding the board to burry the posts as usual
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read your owners manual
your warranty can and will be void for not following the car/truck makers oils guidlines
if it says use API certified oils then hey guess what?
and if it says oil changes done no longer then 7500 miles then hey guess what?
Not matter what the oil maker claims!
and infact! if you check scamsoils own written guidlines! they say 25,000 miles or longer but yet
READ GOOD! they also tell you to follow the auto/truck makers guidelines!
why? EASY! cause when the dealer denies your warranty claim an you then go to scamsoil
they can Stand their arms crossed and shake their heads NO!!!!!
cause hey they have it in writting too!
i swear you guys buy into this scamsoil crap
like you was lemmings following him through a raging river!
they "the auto/truck maker" WILL NOT and DO NOT have to approve any warranty claims!
IF you DO NOT follow what is required for oil!
you were given everything in writing!
more proof needed? just ask
....................................
they have been misleading people for years!
From http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm:
"API Certification, Phosphorus & ZDDP
Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of these on the market). The problem with the non-API certified synthetics is that they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphates)). The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because phosphorus shortens the life of the catalytic converter. These oils are fine for snowmobiles, motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a catalytic converter,
and the extra ZDDP does provide additional wear protection. Unfortunately, the marketers of
some the non-certified oils do not explicitly
and honestly state the reason for the lack of API certification.
You can check the status of API certification on the API web site.
Be certain to go not just by the manufacturer name but by the actual product as well. This is because a manufacturer will sometimes have both certified and
non-certified products. Suffice it to say that Mobil 1,
Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all make synthetic oils that are API certified and
that can be purchased at auto parts stores and other retail outlets. Amsoil has one product line, XL-7500 that is API certified, but it's other lines contain too much ZDDP to be certified
and should not be used in vehicles with
catalytic converters. "
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do some reading people
open your owners manual
"we are unaware of any automobile manufacturer in the United States that currently recognizes using any synthetic oil beyond the recommended oil change intervals outlined in their owner's manual."
http://performanceplusoil.com/myths.php
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Question:
Response to Amsoil Competitive Claims
What is your position/response to the 4 ball wear test Amsoil states on their website? Do you agree with the test results or are there other test results you could point me to. Thanks
-- Todd Blake, Andover, MN
Answer:
The 4-ball wear test is a test designed to evaluate the performance of a gear oil. The 4-ball wear test is not included as a part of any industry-wide recognized engine oil specifications (e.g. ILSAC GF-4, API SM, or ACEA specifications). ExxonMobil does not regard this test as a useful indicator of engine"
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Response_Amsoil_Claims.aspx
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HA HA
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hey flamer.
I researched everything you copied and pasted.
Here is what i found out:
1 - Mobil1 is Group3 dino juice and not really a
synthetic oil. (Amsoil is PAO G4 synthetic)
2 - API means nothing. It is in place for the
gov't to make $ and make make people comfortable
that an oil meets a minimum standard if they see
it on an "el cheapo" garage shelf at 99 cents/qt
3 - www.nordicgroup.us
The Nordic Group link. that site has not
been updated since 2002. A lot will happen in
5 years so don't quote outdated info.
ZDDP
I was a mechanic at the time. Every customer
that came in had read similar info. They all
wanted oil with low zddp to save their $1,000
cat converter.
Again, the gov't had released a false document.
The truth was the cat's were made from weak
components and it was not the zddp.
Plus, like all gov't studies, the fine print
said the cat "might" fail when the odom got to
over 200,000 miles. they never really tested
a cat. just the material inside the cat.
That reminds me of the gov't saccharine scare.
Remember the "mouse" scare? If a mouse ate in
one day what a consumer ate in 25 lifetimes,
he might develop cancer. ha ha . Don't ya love
those gov't tests!
They are all B.S. gov't tests just like API.
4 - www.performanceplusoil.com
Performance Plus Oil is a Quaker State owned
quickie lube still telling everyone to change
their oil at 3k mile intervals. Their only
interest is in getting you back every 3k miles
for another oil change (and whatever else they
can upsell). Of course they are going to say
bad things about any oil that advertises more
than 3k mile oil changes. It is QS owned.
Shall I continue or have you now learned that
you should do your homework before you cut/paste.
TRY AGAIN LUZER FLAMER!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Stan
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after reading the following flame on the OT board
which was posted over and over and over by a flamer:
"amsoil best anal lube your $$$ can buy"
30 people switched to amsoil in the past 2 weeks
because they figured only the best motor oil would
be attacked so viciously.
below is information posted by dr dakota on the OT board.
maybe this is more helpful than the flamers lies.
Dakota 2008
Dodge Dakota
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22:40:19
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WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED THAN DODGE's APPROVAL
Amsoil is Approved for Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles:
DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL
here is the thread on this forum:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/16998.html
USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE !!!!!!!
DODGE DEALERSHIPS DO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr Dakota
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Dakota2008,
Happy New Year!
The Amsoil guy (Steve) that was a site sponsor here for
many years left due to the childish behavior of a few.
He can be found on another Dodge Dakota truck site
that does not allow flaming or childish behavior:
LQQKIE HERE:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105
AND HE SELLS AMSOIL AT WHOLESALE PRICES
GO GIVE STEVE A VISIT. HE IS A NICE GUY.
HAPPY NEW YEAR 2008 !!!!
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12:32:08
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Bull Sh1T
& after reading the below information
3 people have turned away from scamsoil in the past 2 weeks!
we can bring the posts back up to prove it!
your scamsoil guy keeps flooding the board to burry the posts as usual
...............................................
read your owners manual
your warranty can and will be void for not following the car/truck makers oils guidlines
if it says use API certified oils then hey guess what?
and if it says oil changes done no longer then 7500 miles then hey guess what?
Not matter what the oil maker claims!
and infact! if you check scamsoils own written guidlines! they say 25,000 miles or longer but yet
READ GOOD! they also tell you to follow the auto/truck makers guidelines!
why? EASY! cause when the dealer denies your warranty claim an you then go to scamsoil
they can Stand their arms crossed and shake their heads NO!!!!!
cause hey they have it in writting too!
i swear you guys buy into this scamsoil crap
like you was lemmings following him through a raging river!
they "the auto/truck maker" WILL NOT and DO NOT have to approve any warranty claims!
IF you DO NOT follow what is required for oil!
you were given everything in writing!
more proof needed? just ask
....................................
they have been misleading people for years!
From http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm:
"API Certification, Phosphorus & ZDDP
Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of these on the market). The problem with the non-API certified synthetics is that they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphates)). The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because phosphorus shortens the life of the catalytic converter. These oils are fine for snowmobiles, motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a catalytic converter,
and the extra ZDDP does provide additional wear protection. Unfortunately, the marketers of
some the non-certified oils do not explicitly
and honestly state the reason for the lack of API certification.
You can check the status of API certification on the API web site.
Be certain to go not just by the manufacturer name but by the actual product as well. This is because a manufacturer will sometimes have both certified and
non-certified products. Suffice it to say that Mobil 1,
Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all make synthetic oils that are API certified and
that can be purchased at auto parts stores and other retail outlets. Amsoil has one product line, XL-7500 that is API certified, but it's other lines contain too much ZDDP to be certified
and should not be used in vehicles with
catalytic converters. "
...........................................
do some reading people
open your owners manual
"we are unaware of any automobile manufacturer in the United States that currently recognizes using any synthetic oil beyond the recommended oil change intervals outlined in their owner's manual."
http://performanceplusoil.com/myths.php
...............................................
"
Question:
Response to Amsoil Competitive Claims
What is your position/response to the 4 ball wear test Amsoil states on their website? Do you agree with the test results or are there other test results you could point me to. Thanks
-- Todd Blake, Andover, MN
Answer:
The 4-ball wear test is a test designed to evaluate the performance of a gear oil. The 4-ball wear test is not included as a part of any industry-wide recognized engine oil specifications (e.g. ILSAC GF-4, API SM, or ACEA specifications). ExxonMobil does not regard this test as a useful indicator of engine"
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Response_Amsoil_Claims.aspx
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This was from Gas Savers.com
100% truthful and makes perfect sense to anyone except an amsoil scheme artist
"He wants you to buy Amsoil and become an Amsoil dealer not because it's good for you or your car or your wallet but because it benefits his wallet. He's a salesman, and he's here because he doesn't want to pay for advertisements. Amsoil is a multi-level marketing scheme.
You know the difference between a dead possum on the highway and a dead Amsoil salesman on the highway?
There are swerve marks before the possum.
So let's use Amsoil synthetics as an example of how synthetics are mostly useless. This is an easy one. Amsoil says certain of their products are good for 25,000 miles or 1 year. That's for normal driving. For severe service it's 15,000 miles or 1 year. All of that depends on you using an Amsoil oil filter and changing it in 6 months or half the mileage interval. That oil costs $6.35 per quart, and the filters are $10-$12 each. A name-brand, high-quality conventional motor oil costs about $2.00 per quart, and you can get a high-quality oil filter for $5-$6. so Amsoil costs over 3x more than regular oil. OK, so let's say your car takes 4 quarts of oil, your driving doesn't fall into the severe service category, and you drive 12,500 miles per year.
Here's the scenario: You have a recent model GM car with the Oil Life Monitor system that calculates the remaining lifetime of your motor oil based on mileage, temperatures, engine RPMs, and other factors. You changed your oil with Havoline 10W-30 and a $5.00 AC-Delco oil filter one year ago and drove 11,000 miles, and the Oil Change light just illuminated on your dashboard. You do a used oil analysis on that used conventional oil at a cost of $20 and it shows that the oil was protecting your engine just fine when you drained it. So your oil change cost you a total of $13 and with the analysis $33.
If you had used Amsoil, you would have paid $25.40 for the 4 quarts of oil, plus another $20-$24 for two Amsoil filters, so without even doing the analysis, you have already paid $47 for an oil change instead of $13. You have the analysis done on the Amsoil oil and you find that it also was protecting your engine just fine. What have you gained by using Amsoil? Was it worth the 362% higher cost of Amsoil?
The days of 3000 mile oil changes are gone, but that's what Amsoil still quotes in their numbers, and the latest Oil Life Monitor system from GM will extend your oil change interval to 12,500 miles if you drive the car normally and not in severe service. GM wouldn't tell you to go 12,500 miles before getting an oil change if it was going to damage your engine because it would give them an even worse reputation for quality compared to the Japanese automakers. New engines and new engine oils are far, far better than they were even a few years ago, and as time goes on, Amsoil and synthetic oils in general become less and less relevant. They'll quote you all kinds of 4-ball wear tests and tons and tons of totally irrelevant facts and statistics. All you need to remember is this: When was the last time you heard of somebody who changed their oil regularly with ANY kind of oil having their engine die an early death because of lubrication problems? That's all that matters really, but Amsoil would like you to believe your car won't last as long with regular oil. Think for yourself about it. Have you ever heard of such a problem? By the time a car gets that many miles on it, so many other things would have broken and been replaced that the engine would be cheap by comparison.
Do yourself a favor and avoid Amsoil and other synthetic oils. Put the money you save in your vacation or retirement account, donate it to a worthy charity, or take your special someone out for dinner. Don't give it to an oil salesman for a mostly useless product."
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Stan
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after reading the following flame on the OT board
which was posted over and over and over by a flamer:
"amsoil best anal lube your $$$ can buy"
300 people switched to amsoil in the past 2 weeks
because they figured only the best motor oil would
be attacked so viciously.
Ha Ha ...... got ya beat!
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TRUTH B TOLD
Dodge Dakota
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1/01/2008
12:45:03
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after reading the below information
3 people have turned away from scamsoil in the past 2 weeks!
we can bring the posts back up to prove it!
your scamsoil guy keeps flooding the board to burry the posts as usual
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read your owners manual
your warranty can and will be void for not following the car/truck makers oils guidlines
if it says use API certified oils then hey guess what?
and if it says oil changes done no longer then 7500 miles then hey guess what?
Not matter what the oil maker claims!
and infact! if you check scamsoils own written guidlines! they say 25,000 miles or longer but yet
READ GOOD! they also tell you to follow the auto/truck makers guidelines!
why? EASY! cause when the dealer denies your warranty claim an you then go to scamsoil
they can Stand their arms crossed and shake their heads NO!!!!!
cause hey they have it in writting too!
i swear you guys buy into this scamsoil crap
like you was lemmings following him through a raging river!
they "the auto/truck maker" WILL NOT and DO NOT have to approve any warranty claims!
IF you DO NOT follow what is required for oil!
you were given everything in writing!
more proof needed? just ask
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they have been misleading people for years!
From http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm:
"API Certification, Phosphorus & ZDDP
Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of these on the market). The problem with the non-API certified synthetics is that they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphates)). The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because phosphorus shortens the life of the catalytic converter. These oils are fine for snowmobiles, motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a catalytic converter,
and the extra ZDDP does provide additional wear protection. Unfortunately, the marketers of
some the non-certified oils do not explicitly
and honestly state the reason for the lack of API certification.
You can check the status of API certification on the API web site.
Be certain to go not just by the manufacturer name but by the actual product as well. This is because a manufacturer will sometimes have both certified and
non-certified products. Suffice it to say that Mobil 1,
Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all make synthetic oils that are API certified and
that can be purchased at auto parts stores and other retail outlets. Amsoil has one product line, XL-7500 that is API certified, but it's other lines contain too much ZDDP to be certified
and should not be used in vehicles with
catalytic converters. "
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do some reading people
open your owners manual
"we are unaware of any automobile manufacturer in the United States that currently recognizes using any synthetic oil beyond the recommended oil change intervals outlined in their owner's manual."
http://performanceplusoil.com/myths.php
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Question:
Response to Amsoil Competitive Claims
What is your position/response to the 4 ball wear test Amsoil states on their website? Do you agree with the test results or are there other test results you could point me to. Thanks
-- Todd Blake, Andover, MN
Answer:
The 4-ball wear test is a test designed to evaluate the performance of a gear oil. The 4-ball wear test is not included as a part of any industry-wide recognized engine oil specifications (e.g. ILSAC GF-4, API SM, or ACEA specifications). ExxonMobil does not regard this test as a useful indicator of engine"
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Response_Amsoil_Claims.aspx
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