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JFH
Dodge Dakota
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2/10/2004
08:01:53
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Which should I get, Stock 1.6 Ratio Roller Rockers or Taller 1.7 Ratio Roller Rockers?
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xmr
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2/10/2004
09:46:56
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If you are going to keep the stock cam go with the 1.7's you will be pleased with the increase in power that you get.
'98 cc auto /Home brew cold air with K&N,Dynomax, Superchip Tuner, 1.7 RR,, F&B tb. NAPA cap and rotor, 3923 plugs
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JFH
Dodge Dakota
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2/10/2004
09:49:57
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Where did you get yours, and did you just get the rr's or the whole kit with new pushrods and ect.
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daddio
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2/10/2004
10:02:09
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i got the 1.7's rockers & studs only from Sam @ socaldakota.com. if your gonna rev the motor over 5500 rpm go with the complete kit: guides pushrods, etc.. i am not planning on racing just wanted a little more power so i just got the rockers. now i need time to do the install.
p.s. Sam can also hook you up with valve covers because you need to modify the baffles in them to clear the rockers. hope this helps.
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JFH
Dodge Dakota
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2/10/2004
10:07:04
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According to performancecenter.com, I do not need to change the valve covers. Are you sure that needs to be done. Also, what does the install cost, how long should it take at a shop.
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IntenseDak39
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2/10/2004
10:11:05
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if you get the 1.7's and keep your stock cam... ignore the high rev kit. The stock cam isnt good after 4800 rpms and it would be a waste to rev over that (you could even float a valve).
you can use the stock valve covers (because that's all we got) but you either need to remove the baffles or dent them in and make room. I have also heard of using two valve cover gaskets.
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JFH
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2/10/2004
10:13:59
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How long would it take to change the rr's and remove the baffles?
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IntenseDak39
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2/10/2004
10:55:18
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takes a couple hours
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JFH
Dodge Dakota
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2/10/2004
10:58:36
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Ok, Thanks, just trying to price the install by how long it should take. Most shops around me are at $55/hour. So I guess it'll cost about $150
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xmr
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2/10/2004
13:52:40
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JFH:
I got my crower 1.7's from Sam at socaldakotas.com the same as daddio I only got the studs and rockers. DONT remove your baffles. You can take a 2x4 and put the valve covers in a vise or on a rag on the floor the 2x4 should be the same lenght as the valve covers mabe a couple of inches shorter mark a reference line on the 2x4 and then take a hammer and knock the baffels down about 3/8th to 1/2 of an inch be sure that the tabs at the end of the baffels are bent open enough so that oil can get in and the gasses from the engine can get out. If this seems to be a pain you can get a set of powder painted covers from Sam that has a custom made baffel welded in by sam. He has them in all colors and they do look nice. If you cut the baffel out the pcv valve will suck oil like crazy.
'98 cc auto /Home brew cold air with K&N,Dynomax, Superchip Tuner, 1.7 RR,, F&B tb. NAPA cap and rotor, 3923 plugs
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another mark
Dodge Dakota
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2/10/2004
17:53:59
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Is anyone alive at socaldakota.com? I've tried emailing a couple times. Guess I'll have to break down and pick up the phone.
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Deep Purple
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2/10/2004
20:15:49
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Sam's Mom may have had a stroke and he may be tied up with helping her right now. He will probably get back to you as soon as possible. I had a e-mail from him last week and this is what he told me. If there is any help the rest of us on the forum can give you, don't fail to ask. I hope we can be of some help. Good luck.
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xmr
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2/10/2004
20:57:32
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deep purple: I hate to hear that about sam's mom I know what a distraction that can be. I wish the best for sam and his mom.
'98 cc auto /Home brew cold air with K&N,Dynomax, Superchip Tuner, 1.7 RR,, F&B tb. NAPA cap and rotor, 3923 plugs
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GB2000
GenIII
2/10/2004
22:34:25
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ditto... I don't know him personally like some of you do, but I know from reading some of his posts, that he's a very nice guy. I wish him and his mom the best.
Josh
Red 98 RC V6 2wd Single in/dual out exhaust (soon to be switched to a flowmaster 40 single in/dual out), s-bolt "mod", Edelbrock 10" round air cleaner w/ K&N air filter, removed rubber flap...and more to come
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NJQCDak
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2/10/2004
22:59:14
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Sorry to hear about Sam's mom. I wish he and his family the best.
You can do the rockers yourself. Follow the directions, try turning the crank by hand with the spark plugs out. Make sure you don't drop a push rod into the engine. Push in the baffles with a 2x4 as advised above.
If you decide to pay someone, try to see they had done the mod before. Experience helps and makes it goes quicker.
Do a search. There are many threads with great advice. Good luck.
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake, SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel 300 ignition, NAPA Cap, F&B Billet 48mm TB , JBA Ti Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar, KYB Monomax shocks, Stillen front bumper, Crower 1.7 rockers
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another mark
Dodge Dakota
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2/11/2004
16:07:56
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Hey NJQC I'm getting ready to do this mod and am wondering
how you drop your push rods into the engine? Won't the cam
always be pushing against them?
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mark 3
Dodge Dakota
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2/11/2004
17:20:50
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The lifters have a cup in the top of them if you get the push rod out of the cup it can fall down into engine !!!!!!!!!
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NJQCDak
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2/12/2004
23:28:51
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Mark 3 is right. The mechanic who did the install knocked the last push rod in the back of the engine 6th cylinder and down she went. He spent 30 min trying to fish it out a magnet. I cautioned him afterwards and he had to lift the intake manifold out. I think would done a little better job but working by myself made it difficult. Follow the directions.
'01 QC Sport, 3.9L V6, 5spd, 2wd, Volant Intake, SS Gibson exhaust, MSD Wires, Accel 300 ignition, NAPA Cap, F&B Billet 48mm TB , JBA Ti Ceramic Headers, Autolites 3923s, R/T front swaybar & Quickor rear swaybar, KYB Monomax shocks, Stillen front bumper, Crower 1.7 rockers
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another mark
Dodge Dakota
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2/13/2004
00:19:50
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Take a look at the group buy going on in the performance section. Harland Sharp roller rockers don't require any of the valve lash nonsense other rockers do. Only $262 a set plus shipping. Their prices go up alot on March 1st I'm told by their distributors.
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rtdkota
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2/13/2004
11:12:52
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Hey-- I'm back... (sorta)-- I am on the road and will be home tonight/this afternoon.
(my mom is doing better, but won't be going home-- most likely a nursing home, it sucks-- but that's the way life goes-- thanks for the kind words guys)
If you buy roller rockers, and want to stay with your stock cam (at least for now), get the 1.7s--- 10-15 rwhp increase depending on your vehicle/mods... Non- adjustables are NOT the way to go (the adjustment for the Crower is the easiest of any adjustable rocker arm, and allows for more precise setup--- ) Some people forget, Crower rockers are also stainless-- and the strongest rockers available (they'll outlast any aluminum rocker, adjustable or non-adjustable). I offer the modified baffle valve covers to help you guys out that don't want to whack in the baffles on your stocks--- DON'T REMOVE them completely-- you need them to prevent sucking in oil through your pcv and breather.
The adjustment takes about 20 minutes on a V8, so on a V6 it should be less of course... but I offer free phone support for the install, I'll even call ya back and walk ya through it-- I am available on the weekends and can hang on the phone to help ya out.
If you have a stick, and sometime rev beyond 5500 rpm-- the additional cost of the guideplates/pushrods is worth it-- if you honestly stay below that (I use to hit 5200 rpm all day long on the non-rev) you'll be fine with the standard kit.
Sam
619-274-1292
www.socaldakota.com
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JFH
Dodge Dakota
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2/13/2004
11:17:25
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Thanks alot, I will most likely buy the 1.7's this summer, you said a shop should be able to install them in 20 min? Also what is the cost of your modified valve covers, I didn't see them on your site
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