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tin -knocker
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2/08/2004
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my truck seems to ping to much using mobil 87 now i use 89 it helps some today i put in shell 89 will this help ???
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GB2000
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2/08/2004
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Have a lil trouble posting this? lmao...
Not sure bout the gas question, but wouldn't switching your plugs down 1 range (ie. autolite 3923's) help with engine ping?
Josh
Red 98 RC V6 2wd Single in/dual out exhaust (soon to be switched to a flowmaster 40 single in/dual out), s-bolt "mod", Edelbrock 10" round air cleaner w/ K&N air filter, removed rubber flap...and more to come
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tin_knocker
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2/08/2004
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my truck is a 97cc 3.9 4wd no mods yet i just got it back from the shop they put in new plugs changed all the fluids and rebuilt the tranny i havent drove it much do u think all of that will help
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2/08/2004
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Most production street vehicles, even high performance ones, are not going to benefit from anything higher than the recommended octane. So it only really becomes an issue if you are unfortunate enough to live in a state that has made unavailable the octane your engine was intended to burn (like California).
Octane rating is a measure of the fuel's resistance to pre-ignition. High-octane is specified by manufacturers when the engine requires it. High compression, high temps, or turbo engines will do better with high octane due to its slower burn rate.
Basically, the numbers you see at the pumps only indicate the anti-knock index of the fuel. It is measured using RON + MON and the divided by 2 (R+M)/2. In short, RON (Research Octane Number) measures the fuel's anti-knock index simulating light load, typical street, normal driving conditions. MON (Motor Octane Number) measures the fuel's anti-knock index simulating high-speed, high load conditions.
They used to post the RON and MON octane numbers in small print on the Sunoco pumps but I haven't noticed this lately.
Run what your owners mauual specifies. Put the high-octane in an engine designed for 87 and you have incomplete combustion ... and a waste of 20 cents per gallon.
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J and J Auto
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2/08/2004
17:50:33
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Give it a few hundred miles to relearn your
driving habits, relearn shift points ect and it
may just cure its self
200 to 500 miles than see how it is
Larry
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blackdak93
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2/11/2004
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hate to tellyou but my neighbor halls gas and stops at a shell bp and mobil all in one day
so it all comes from the same place
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Lilred01
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2/11/2004
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I have a ping in my 2001 dakota as well, its most noticeable under load in 3rd gear, if i add octane boost or use higher octane fuel it goes away, chrysler says its normal do to carbon build up on the pistons and combustion chamber and to keep useing higher octane fuel.
I've tried useing Decarbonizer it seemed to make a slight difference. I plan on repeating this in the spring with the warmer weather to see if it gets better again.
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JFH
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2/11/2004
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Install a 180 degree thermostat, it will help get rid of the ping
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01_dak_dude
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2/12/2004
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What is the recommended octane for our trucks? I usually go with 87.
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JFH
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2/12/2004
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87 is usually recommended, with my Mopar performance computer, it requires premium fuel, I get stuck paying a lot at the pump, but it was worth it.
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2/12/2004
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It’s been my observation that if an engine does not require high-octane fuel, it will run cleaner and better on the fuel it was designed for.
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A little FYI ...
"Octane Boosters"
Most "Octane Boosters" use the phrase "up to", as in "raises" the Octane Level "up to" 10 points ... so you may only go up between 1-9 points, and maybe 10.
HERE IS THE CATCH
a point is --- (unfortunately) ... just a decimal point.
Therefore:
"10 points" brings you from 93 octane to 94
"5 points" brings you from 93 octane to 93.5
"1 point" brings you from 93 octane to 93.1
For this reason, I am not a big fan of the products except for qualifying runs and actual racing events.
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Improves the performance of all two-cycle and four-cycle gasoline-fueled engines. Just one treatment significantly increases engine response and power. AMSOIL Octane Boost reduces engine knock, improves ignition, helps fuel burn cleaner and inhibits corrosion. Recommended for all high performance off-road and racing applications. Increases octane number by up to 7 points.
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please steve
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2/13/2004
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tell us something usefull that someone out in the boonies can use as your product is not available at the local bait and tackel shop selling gas on the side, in this case trying to sell your product as a solution is no solution, he does not seem interested in them, Also Octain 104 does indeed raise the octain up to 104 BUT you need four cans in 20 gallons of 93 octain to do it, unlike your product where 4 cans would raise 93 to 93.4. (At least that is what I get from your explaination) It would be cheaper and more effective to buy 10 gallons of MTHB or whatever they used to use up till a few years ago and add 4 onces to whatever you put in your tank then buy that snake oil you sell.
Now here is a known fact, Rouen Chrysler Dodge in Woodville Ohio has been telling their customers for years that BP fuel in known to cause pinging in Magnum engines. Certain other "local" brands do not seem to have this particular problem. the service manager told me to try other brands even going up to 89 octain if neccessary to eliminate it. I must be one of the lucky ones as any fuel except BP does not cause pinging in mine. My Mercury Sable runs just fine on BP fuel so it must be a combo of engine design and fuel chemistry.
A far as gasoline coming from the same place that might be in your part of the country but not in mine. we have a BP refinery, SunOil refinery and a pipeline from Marathon refinery to a fuel depot all within 4 miles of my home. Both refineries have Tanker fuel depots and Marathon has their own fleet of trucks delivering to Marathon, Starvin Marvin, Gas Town, and one other brand I cannot think of right now (all are 4 brands are owned, franchised by Marathon) However all 3 facilities will sell to independents and that might be who your neihbor drives for. I have 2 bro in laws that are muckity mucks for Marathon, both work in Houston and one even at one time, a long time ago, drove for Marathon delivering to both company and independent brands. I have never seen a BP truck at any other then BP gas stations, and have several freinds that have worked at BP for almost 30 years that say generally the same thing. Sun (Sunoco) also will sell to independents, but a bud of mine from the gun club says the have never in his 22 years as an employee loaded a truck for Mobile, Shell, or any other national brand but Sunoco.
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Tommy
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2/13/2004
23:12:41
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Well Mr Please.
I find what Steven posts to be very helpful. He was posting on a thread about octane. I was interested in the product you mentioned. The 104+ Octane. I knew that if it took my current octane up to 104+ I would be damaging my engine. So I went to their site to see what they had to say.
From their FAQ's on their 104+ website.
104+ Frequently Asked Questions
Question:
Why do you call it "104+"?
Is it because it boosts the octane to 104?
Answer:
That's how we got started.
In the "good old days" when gas was gas, it was possible
to add 104+ to regular pump gas and get a 104 octane.
Of course, that's when you could find regular pump gas
with a 96 or 98 octane rating. Not anymore.
see ................ Not anymore.
Question:
I would like to order 104+ OCTANE BOOST by mail.
Is it shippable?
Answer:
We ship it around the world every day and it's
available from several mail order distributors.
Well........ I guess it's just like Amsoil,
and available by ordering from a catalog.
Here is the killer:
Question:
I'm afraid if I use 104+, I'll void my warranty.
Answer:
Rules vary by manufacturer.
Consult the owner's manual for your particular vehicle.
They are warning you that it will void your warranty.
All the above Q & A were from the 104+ website.
They never told me how it works and how well.
At least Steven told us how octane boosters work.
Thanks Steven!
Now Mr Please? Whose zoomin who?
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please steve
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2/14/2004
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like i said try to but the stuff at Ernies Bait and Tackle and Gas. YOU CAN'T DO IT, So you gotta find a fuel/octain that works, Sounds like you are zooming me while you are supporting AMSOIL which, contrary to what all you want to believe CAN'T BE BOUGHT AT EVERY CORNER GAS STOP. He only told you how HIS WORKS as I am sure that others work a bit differently as they have DIFFERENT INGREDIANTS. He can only speak knowledgeable about his product but HAS NO BUSSINESS talking about another that HE DOES NOT REPRESENT. PLUS the original guy was TALKING ABOUT FUEL AND HOW HIS ENGINE PINGS not about AMSOIL PRODUCTS and he wondered if CHANGING BRANDSWOULD HELP not if STEVE ROARKS AMSOIL would help.
Go ZOOM yourself Mr. Tommy Zoomie. You did a good job trying but were wrong from the word go as he was asking about gas not AFTERMARKET CRAP.
I for one due to the overzelousnes of Steve Roark trying to pound his crap up my but I will never purchase one of his products, I have never had the need to purchase an ADDITIVE when I was smart enough to purchas a quality product in the first place. Guys like Steve sell snake oil and ol PT said it best: Another Sucker Born Every Minute.
How many of you are those suckers? Honest answers only.
Any flames will be dealt with in a like manor.
Did any of those products make your engine last a million miles?
500,000?
No?
Wonder Why?
Thats Right!
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Tommy
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2/14/2004
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Mr Please.
I did not defend Steven, nor his products.
I said you were WRONG in your comments!!! Period.
You misrepresented 104+ .. an outright LIE !
Octain 104+ .. DOES NOT .. boost your octane to 104.
Steven the Amsoil Guy stated (he was very general):
"Octane Boosters"
Most (he said MOST .. not Amsoil) "Octane Boosters" use the phrase "up to", as in "raises" the Octane Level "up to" 10 points ... so you may only go up between 1-9 points, and maybe 10.
HERE IS THE CATCH
a point is --- (unfortunately) ... just a decimal point.
Therefore:
"10 points" brings you from 93 octane to 94
"5 points" brings you from 93 octane to 93.5
"1 point" brings you from 93 octane to 93.1
For this reason, I am not a big fan (he IS NOT A FAN of aftermarket additives) of the products except for qualifying runs and actual racing events.
.. so WHO YA FLAMIN' FOOL !!!
I would NEVER buy from Ernies Bait and Tackle and Gas !! What the hell does Ernie know about the lubrication industry except for when he sells you KY Jelly?
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Tommy
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2/14/2004
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P.S.
A 104 Octane fuel would DESTROY your engine!
Who ya zoomin .. zooma dooma doom ?
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2/14/2004
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Okay, Enough is Enough!
Well, it's Valentines Day --- and my wife is in Los Angeles for the premiere of a short film. What is a man to do if he is alone on Valentines Day but go hit a few golf balls and get on the computer when the sun goes down. So --- here I am.
TOO MUCH OCTANE CAN BE BAD
Right now there is a lot of talk about the highest octane fuel that you can make (or use), especially in the "street racing" fuel business. People relate the highest octane to "my motor is making more power". That is simply not the truth.
One of the downsides to building a fuel with ultra-high octane is that the blend really slows down the flame front in the combustion process. You can get the flame front so slow, that the engine is now running in a "too-rich" condition. This actually takes away horsepower. Bottom Line --- you are slowing down the flame front and getting rid of detonation, at the expense of losing horsepower.
I hear of this all the time from my clients that "street race" --- engines running "heavy" ... and they are trying to tune it to lean it out, when actually the flame front is causing the problem.
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JustSayNo
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2/14/2004
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Back when i was street racing I recall an article in Road and Track where they did a test on Octane 104+. This was back in the late 1980's. Their conclusion was that most of the octane boost products barely raised the octane at all.
octane 104+, which used to claim really big octane boost numbers, only raised the octane by approximately 2 points. So it turned 93 octane into 95 octane. They also found that if you added twice as much as recommended you didn't get double the additional octane points, it only raised the octane by 3 points. A lot of these after market octane boost products will foul your plugs as well.
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Josh
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2/22/2004
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The pinging is most likely spark knock. You will usually notice it when your under a heavy load, which means you either have the pedal to the floor or you are hauling something. You may also experience it in colder whether. Although it may not cure it totally, changing the plugs, cap, rotor, and even wires may help. Also try running an injector cleaner through your engine. Normally the spark knock will come from the back plug on the drivers side. It should help.
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Barry
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3/01/2004
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I am paying well over $2 for 87 Octane.
Anyone know a website where i can search to find the best price.
I saw it listed here about a yr. ago.
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