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marmail
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1/25/2004
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Does anyone know if it is ok to mix synthtic oil with regular oil,say you throw one QT of synthetic in with your regular oil when you do your oil change will the synthtic do any good?
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GB2000
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1/25/2004
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I know with Mobil1 it says it's okay, but they don't recommend it because it's quite pointless to do it...the synthetic oil might help a TAD, but not much at all. I think it may depend on the brands of oil you use though...my guess is some are incompatible with others.
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GB2000
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1/25/2004
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If you look at K-mart & WalMart you will see Synthetic blends it wont hurt anything but you will see better results with all synthetic...Mobil 1 being the choice
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Greg
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1/25/2004
15:32:45
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To my knoledge there are only 4 full syns out there ---
Amsoil ---best by far
Red Line ---second
Mobil 1 ---cheaper and more available
Royal Purple ---4th on the charts
Mobil says you can mix it, but why would you want to when it's fairly cheap and easy to come by??? The reason there are so many "blends" out there is because they are not using true PAO syns to begin with so therefore you are just wasting your money on them to begin with!!! All they are is a very refined dino oil ; ))
Mobil will have a new 0-30 motor oil on the shelfs come this spring that is suppost to be a nascar type for high hp engines and for much much better protection than current 0-30 that they offer... If you want the best protection a motor oil can provide then go with Amsoil's bypass system and use their 0-30 motor oil for best lube on cold starts and protection against heat, plus you only have to change it around 10 to 20 thousand miles depending on your oil test results :)) You might want to look into their website www.bestsynthetic.com for charts and numbers...
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1/25/2004
15:43:59
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As to mixing oils:
Do it at your own risk!
Everyone who is into "home brewing" oils needs to keep something in mind. The additives used in Non-Synthetic Oils --- Group I, Group II, and Group III --- are different and don't work well together. In other words, an additive package tailored for a Group III synthetic is not going to work properly in Group II base oil. If you go mixing a Group II and Group III oil, you'll likely wind up with an oil that is inferior (from a performance standpoint) to either of the two oils you mixed. The same would hold true when mixing Group IV / Group V TRUE Synthetic Motor Oils with anything else. Mixing oils is not a good thing to do due to additive package incompatability.
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Millions of dollars have been spent in research laboratories to determine the best balance of base oils and additives packages. Do Not Risk Your Engine Blending Your Own Home Brew!
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1/25/2004
15:56:41
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Would you mix a pitcher of Bud and a bottle of champagne to get a better tasting beer (or a cheaper champagne). NO! You would simply have a bad tasting drink that no one liked to drink. What you are doing makes no sense and is just another reason to never buy a used truck. Some idiot might have mixed 50/50 el-cheapo oil with Mobil1 to save money while ruining the insides of his engine.
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1/25/2004
16:06:02
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Greg,
There are other 100% Synthetics in the market place --- just not as readily available as Amsoil, Redline, Mobil1, or Royal Purple.
With so many choices --- why would anyone want a 'homebrew"?
Synthetic Lubricants are fuel efficient, extended life lubricants manufactured and formulated from select basestocks and special purpose additives. In contrast to petroleum oils which are pumped from the earth and refined, synthetics are custom-designed in the laboratory. The properties of mineral oils (Conventional or Dino oils) tend to vary due to inconsistencies in the crude from which they are obtained. The properties and performance features of synthetics on the other hand, are very predictable due to their molecular uniformity, ... creating the ideal lubricant.
Since their inception, manufacturers of Synthetic Motor Oils have sought to educate the public about the facts regarding synthetics, and the need for consumers to make their lubrication purchasing decisions based on quality rather than price.
Though it sounds too good to be true, synthetics do reduce engine wear, improve gas mileage and increase horsepower. This is because synthetic oil molecules are superior in a number of ways to mineral-based oils (conventional or Dino oils).
- higher resistance to heat (up to 600 deg. F)
- Added lubricity (uniform diameter of synthetic oil polymers allows them to more easily slide over one another. The resultant reduction in friction shows up as more horsepower and torque and reduced internal engine wear)
- Higher film strength (one of the major benefits of synthetics, since film strength is what keeps oil molecules from being pushed away from each other under pressure)
- better "pour points", "flash points", "fire points"
- "high temperature" and "high sheer" viscosity
- and so on and so forth .....
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Greg
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1/25/2004
17:07:49
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Look at what I've done... Well I did say some of what amsoil is trying to point out :))
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Greg
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1/25/2004
17:12:05
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Sorry I can't spell worth a $hit either
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Rene
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1/25/2004
19:03:38
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I use Castrol 10w 40 synthetic om my 3.9 2003. Is this Ok??
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Greg
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1/25/2004
19:13:56
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Well other Greg posing as me what exactly did I misspell other than "knowledge"??? Doesn't everyone on here just love it when some jack comes on posing as you ://
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GB2000
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1/25/2004
20:23:19
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I am guessing the "other" Greg subscribed your email addy to this post as well?
Josh
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1/25/2004
20:25:33
| Amsoil - Castrol - Viscosity - Synthetic or Not
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Rene,
#1) Castrol Syntec is NOT a REAL synthetic ... it is a Group III hydrocracked (conventional petroleum dino) oil with some Group IV synthetic blended in (for advertising purposes). The Castrol is a "PRETEND" synthetic. Only oils manufactured with exclusively with Group IV and Group V base oils are TRUE Synthetics.
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#2) What is your reason for using 10w-40?
Automobile manufacturers now recommend thinner oils for their vehicles than in the past. Thinner oils are being used these days because they save fuel in test engines. Years ago, SAE 10w-40 was the most commonly recommended viscosity grade, later migrating to SAE 10w-30. SAE 5w-30 is most popular now, (and Ford and Honda now recommend SAE 5w-20). It is likely that more widespread adoption of SAE 5w-20 and other thin oils may occur to help comply with CAFE requirements.
Why would someone use a 10w-40?
SUVs and trucks, with their inherently less-efficient four-wheel drive and brick-wall aerodynamics, need powerful, gas-guzzling engines to move their mass around in a hurry. In response, auto manufacturers recommend using thin oils to save fuel. Incredible but True!
Thinner oils have less drag, and therefore less friction and wear. Right? Perhaps in the test engine or engines that experience normal operation. But somewhat thicker oils may offer more protection for more severe operations such as driving through mountains, pulling a boat, dusty conditions, short trips, high rpm, overloading, overheating and overcooling.
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VISCOSITY
VISCOSITY ... in the general term is defined as " a fluids resistance to flow". It's a measure of the internal friction of the fluid or the resistance to the movement of one layer of molecules relative to an adjacent layer.
THE LOWER (SMALLER or FIRST #, as in "10w-_) NUMBER ... is the Cold Cranking measurement, made at low temperatures, using a concentric cylinder viscometer to predict the oils cranking resistance in an engine during cold starting.
The measuring devices, or viscosmeters, most often used are in the form of close-fitting concentric cylinders. The fluid being evaluated is placed between the cylinder walls, the outer cylinder is held stationary and the inner cylinder is rotated. The speed of rotation is measured for a given force to calculate the viscosity, most commonly reported in cp or centipoise units. Also known as Absolute Viscosity.
THE HIGHER (BIGGER or SECOND #, as in "-40") NUMBER ... is commonly measured in capilary tubes, in which the time for a fixed volume of fluid to flow through the tube under gravity at operating temp (100c)is measured and reported as cSt or centistokes. This is used most commonly to report the normal operating viscosity of motor oils or the higher number.
" __W- " is a viscosity GRADE, not a viscosity MEASUREMENT.
When testing for cold fluidity, the temperature is lowered approximately 5 degrees centigrade between each test.
The Cold Crank Simulator Apparent Viscosity is tested at:
-20 C for 10W-
-25 C fpr 5W-
-30 C for 0W-
It is my understanding that the oil has to be labelled at the lowest temperature it meets the specifications.
It may not be long before someone comes out with a " -5W-30 " which would correspond with -35 C.
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Greg
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1/25/2004
20:59:08
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I don't know about the email, because I've got a return to my mail box on this forum right now anyway, so I don't know about that. I've seen in another post you made that your having about the same problems Josh. This guy hasn't posted anything else as far as I know "yet", but he really PI$$ED me off the first time.
Oh and Amsoil sponsor, you forgot to tell Rene that the 40wheight will turn to sludge a lot faster than a 30 weight will in some applications. Since it's highly refined dino, maybe not. Oh and is the new 0-30 mobil is coming out with going to compare at all with the amsoil 0-30? Just wondering.
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Rene
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1/25/2004
21:27:47
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Amsoil Sponsor,
Thanks for sharing some valuble knowledge of yours. I also went to the www.bestsynthetic.com web site to get educated.
Yes, your a correct about the recommended 10w-30 according to the Dodge manual that came with my Dakota. But also, the manual stated that if in severe driving or hotter climate such as Puerto Rico, which I live 10w-40 and all the way to 20w-50 can be used.
I have been using Castrol since day one. I have been also changing oil and filter every 3,000 miles. I understand the importance of having good lubrication. Ok, according to the test I saw in the www.bestsynthetic.com web site AmsOil is the best. I don't see that brand to often here where I live. I can order via net.
Getting back to the 10w-40. Do you think I should change to 10w-30 AmsOil or 10w-40Amsoil?
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1/26/2004
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Rene,
Ah, there's the answer ... Puerto Rico! Yes ... you are fine using 10w-40 if you so desire.
Greg,
We are waiting on the new Mobil1 so that we can test it against Amsoil and other leading synthetic manufacturers.
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1/26/2004
08:48:49
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Rene,
Regarding which viscosity to use ...
In general, it is always best to stay within the manufacturers recommended guidelines. Engines are manufactured to specific tollerances and the engineers know which viscosity is best for a particular engine. Adjustments can be made for the type of driving, conditions, driving habits, work load, and weather (cold weather). I could elaborate on oil sheer and which oils sheer down to lower weights rather quickly, but I'll leave that to another thread --- and I don't wish to be perceived as talking negatively about other oils --- unless of course they are snake oils like Slick 50, etc.
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THE ROLE OF MOTOR OIL
Before we can discuss what makes a good motor oil, it helps to understand what role motor oil actually plays in the performance of an engine.
While motor oils serve a variety of functions, they are primarily necessary to lubricate and to cool the engine. When the engine is at rest, the motor oil sits in the bottom of the engine block in what is called the oil pan. Upon start-up, an oil pump feeds oil from the pan to the oil distribution system by means of a network of passages, tubes, grooves and holes leading to the engine bearings and other surfaces needing pressurized oil for lubrication. Other parts, like the overhead valve system, receive a carefully controlled quantity of non-pressurized oil through splashing or spray.
In addition to lubricating and cooling engine parts, motor oil must allow easy starting, protect the engine from corrosion and oxidation, keep the engine clean, form a tight seal between piston rings and cylinder walls and help the engine use fuel efficiently.
In days gone by motor oil was made from the throwaway byproducts of a barrel of crude oil after everything useful was taken from it. In those early days the filter, if you had one at all, was a by-pass type, filtering only a small percentage of the oil. In some instance the filter was little more than a screen and the oil was changed every five hundred or thousand miles. (Some of us recall grandpa's stories of tires needing to be changed on every trip to town, the idea of longevity being somewhat foreign back then.)
As cars and their engines became more sophisticated, so too the requirements of a lubricant became increasingly demanding. In the 1960's jet fighter pilots and their mechanics were becoming aware of the advantages of synthetic oils, and a few of them experimented with the notion of synthetic lubrication for automobiles. One of these pilots, Lt. Colonel Albert J. Amatuzio, went further than the haphazard experiments of his peers. His ten year quest resulted in the development of AMSOIL, the first automotive synthetic motor oil to exceed the certification requirements of the American Petroleum Institute (API).
SYNTHETIC VS. CONVENTIONAL PETROLEUM
Conventional lubricants are refined from crude oil which has thousands of types of molecules. Refining is a process of physically separating the impurities from the oil and further separating the light and heavy components. Because refining separates products by weight, it groups molecules of similar weight and dissimilar structure. The result is a lubricant with a wide assortment of molecules. Some of the substances in crude oil are detrimental to lubrication. Paraffins, for example, are a common conventional oil contaminant that causes motor oil to thicken in cold temperatures.
Synthetic motor oils are made from pure chemicals, not refined crude. Their components are chemically reacted to produce finished products with pre-designed performance characteristics. Because of their molecular uniformity, they excel in reducing friction, which improves fuel efficiency, controls heat and reduces wear. This molecular uniformity also helps synthetics resist thinning in hot temperatures and thickening in cold.
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1/26/2004
14:32:17
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Just run some straight 30 it will be alright
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Rene
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1/26/2004
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Thanks for the info. Can you find out where to buy AmsOil products here in Puerto Rico?
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1/26/2004
15:10:10
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Independent Amsoil Dealers are located across the country -- in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, Canada, and New Zealand. Some Amsoil Dealers advertise in the Yellow Pages and some do not. Finding it in a store is not easy since Amsoil has no interest in competing for the "big-box" shelf space (i.e. Walmart), but specialty "Performance" stores are a good place to start your search.
Amsoil is usually purchased through an Independent Amsoil Dealer (via catalog or their website) but if you want to find it on-the-shelf in your area ... one way is to check the Yellow Pages under automotive lubrication and/or oil. Word-Of-Mouth at a local track may also help you find Amsoil Products in a local store.
If you can't find it locally, I would appreciate the opportunity to be your Amsoil Dealer and help you in every way possible. Support an advertiser (me) that supports and advertises on one of your favorite sites ... www.DodgeDakotas.com ?
The benefits of ordering via catalog ... you can become a preferred customer and save between 20% and 25% across the board on all retail prices ... basically buying at the same wholesale prices as an Amsoil Dealer.
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Retail-On-The-Shelf Accounts can be one of the following:
- Auto Parts Stores
- Auto Service Centers
- Quick Lubes
- Hardware Stores
- Department Stores
- Any Establishment Where Automotive Products Are Purchased
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Amsoil Warehouse Locations
I have had many requests asking for locations where Amsoil can be "picked up" rather than delivered via UPS. Many Retail Stores carry Amsoil, but it is difficult to obtain an address list since they often operate as Independent Amsoil Commercial or "On-the-Shelf" locations. Another option os to "pick up" the product direct from the warehouse. You can still request a catalog, order, and then "pick up" at the warehouse locations if you choose.
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Amsoil Warehouse Locations
Anchorage, AK, Mile 42 1/2 Glenn Hwy, HC05 Box 9639, Palmer, AK 99645
Orlando, FL, 3724 Silver Star Rd, Orlando, FL 32808
Chicago, IL, 295 Lincoln Ave, Bensenville, IL 60106
Dallas, TX, 2234 Commerce Dr., Arlington, TX 76011
Lancaster, PA, 1917A Olde Homestead Rd, Lancaster, PA 17601
Las Vegas, NV, 4545 N. Lamb Blvd., Unit C, Las Vegas, NV 89115
Portland, OR, 18379 SW Boones Ferry Rd, Building A, Portland, OR 97224
Richmond, VA, 5616 Charles City Circle, Richmond, VA 23231
Superior, WI, 2206 Winter St, Superior, WI 54880
Wichita, KS,3800 West 29th St., Suite 5, Wichita, KS 67217
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CANADA DISTRIBUTION CENTERS
Toronto, ON, 6625 Tomken Rd., Units 12-14, Mississauga, ON L5T 2C2
Edmonton, AB, 14543-121 A Ave., Edmonton, AB T5L 2T2
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PUERTO RICO DISTRIBUTION CENTER
Carolina, PR, AMSOIL Distribution Center, Roberto Clemente Avenue, 117A #2,
Villa Carolina, Carolina, Puerto Rico 00985
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NEW ZEALAND DISTRIBUTION CENTER
Auckland, NZ, AMSOIL Distribution Centre,
3/1 Binsted Rd., New Lynn, Auckland, NZ
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