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GB2000
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2/17/2004
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Last I heard, the Fram ToughGuards are "okay" (though not GREAT)...but the other Fram types aren't so hot.
Josh
Red 98 RC V6 2wd Single in/dual out exhaust (soon to be switched to a flowmaster 40 single in/dual out), s-bolt "mod", Edelbrock 10" round air cleaner w/ K&N air filter, removed rubber flap...and more to come
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daffydak
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2/17/2004
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tomorrow (today i guess now lol) im going to get some amsoil and an amsoil sdf filter and while im at it, i will see if i can get some amsoil 75w-90 gear lube for my rearend ( if they have any there) by the way whats the capacity of the rearend on my truck? 98 dakota sport 2wd 3.55 axle. it dosent have a drain plug only a rubber filler plug. time to get the siphon out hehe
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daffydak
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2/17/2004
02:15:31
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oh i almost forgot to ask whats the number for the amsoil sdf filter for my truck 98 3.9 2wd auto i think the fram number was ph-16 not sure though
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Dan
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2/17/2004
10:24:38
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1998 DODGE TRUCKS DAKOTA 3.9L 6-cyl VIN Code X
FILTERS (Amsoil Product Codes)
Oil Filter......SDF42
Oil Vapor Filter......CB27
Air Filter......TS29
Fuel Filter......N/S
PCV Valve......HV169
Trans......TF155
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CAPACITIES
Engine, with filter..........4.0 quarts[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill..........14.0 quarts
Automatic Transmission, Initial Fill..........4.0 quarts[2]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill..........11.0 quarts
Manual Transmission, NV3500..........4.2 pints
Manual Transmission, AX-15..........6.5 pints
Differential, with 7.25 ring gear Rear..........3.0 pints
Differential, Front..........3.0 pints[3]
Differential, with 8.25 ring gear Rear..........4.4 pints
Differential, with 9.25 ring gear Rear..........4.9 pints
Transfer Case,NV231..........2.5 pints
Transfer Case,NV242..........2.7 pints
Transfer Case,NP241 W/ Dsl..........6.5 pints
1. After refill check oil level
2. With engine automatic transmission operating temperature, shift through all
gears. Check fluid level in NEUTRAL and add fluid
as needed.
3. Fill no higher than 1/2 to 5/8 inch below fill plug.
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TORQUES
Oil Drain Plug.....25 ft-lbs
Transfer case
Fill Plug.....35 ft-lbs
Drain Plug.....35 ft-lbs
Manual Transmission AX-15
Fill Plug.....27 ft-lbs
Drain Plug.....27 ft-lbs
Manual Transmission NV3500
Fill Plug.....14-20 ft-lbs
Drain Plug.....14-20 ft-lbs
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I hope this helps.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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cbmoose
Dodge Dakota
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2/18/2004
19:30:31
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Dear WTF: Regarding "doing my homework", here's the scoop:
Been around car engines since 1965 or so. Been driving since 1972. I grew up reading magazines like Popular Science and Mechanix Illustrated. They all recommended changing oil and filters at 3000 miles. Since 1972, I've driven several vehicles past the 150,000 mile mark with nary an engine problem. My current ride is a '93 V6 4X4 extended cab with 153K on it that I am driving from Pittsburgh to Danbury, CT tomorrow.
Basically, what I'm doing works for me. Someone once told me that regular oil and filter changes mean more to an engine than anything else you do to it. I'm willing to bet that that fundamental truth is still in effect.
You do what works for you, and I'll keep doing what works for me.
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DakotaEnthusiast
2/18/2004
20:04:38
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The following article reprinted from an Industry Trade Magazine
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(David McFall's column on AMSOIL, reprinted from "Lubes 'n' Greases" Industry Trade Magazine, March 2003, in the hopes of "Reducing America's Dependence On Foreign Oil", and the elimination of tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes)
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AMSOIL Applauded for Extended Drain Technology
AMSOIL founder A.J. Amatuzio coined the phrase "extended drain intervals" back in 1972 with the introduction of AMSOIL 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil, formulated for 25,000-mile/one-year drain intervals. Not only was AMSOIL motor oil the first synthetic oil to pass American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements, AMSOIL INC. was the only motor oil company promoting oil drains beyond 3,000 miles.
Today, motorists are still bombarded with propaganda from the major oil companies promoting 3,000-mile oil changes. However, the industry is slowly but surely coming around. Vehicle manufacturers typically suggest 5,000- to 7,500-mile intervals in their owners manuals, and many manufacturers have also started incorporating oil life monitors into their vehicles, allowing motorists to safely extend drain intervals by monitoring oil life and alerting drivers when the oil needs changing. Competing oil companies have also begun marketing their own synthetics, some claiming service lives extending beyond 3,000 miles.
Lubes-n-Greases Automotive Editor David McFall, once with the American Petroleum Institute recently tackled the issue of extended drain intervals in his March column, criticizing the standard 3,000-mile oil change and referring to the American motor oil market as "shackled".
"In Europe the average engine oil drain interval for current gasoline-fueled cars is about 10,000 miles," explains McFall. "In the United States, indicates the Automotive Oil Change Association, the average drain interval followed by most drivers is somewhat less than 5,000 miles, one-half of Europe's.
"Every year in the United States, this "too-short" drain interval results in the unneeded production of 300 million to 400 million gallons of engine oil; excess consumer expenditures of around $1.5 billion; and tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes."
Not only are these unnecessary oil changes an expense to consumers, explains McFall, but they have an environmental cost as well. "The added environmental cost of having an average 5,000-mile oil drain interval (instead of 10,000 miles, as in Europe) may be nearly 100 million gallons of engine oil being dumped, untreated, into the U.S. environment annually."
McFall's examination of Mobil 1, Shell and AMSOIL demonstrates the differences among companies who are shackled to the current system and one who isn't.
According to an ExxonMobil spokesperson, "Car owners should follow the oil change intervals specified by the manufacturer. We believe it is inappropriate to recommend drain intervals that may conflict with those set forth by the car manufacturer's specifications."
"Here, in a nutshell," says McFall, "is this observer's take on ExxonMobil's and the oil industry's 'owner's manual' position: It is designed solely to increase motor oil sales." He backs it up by mentioning that Mobil 1 SuperSyn motor oil claims to meet European ACEA A5 and B5-02 specifications, two specifications intended to extend oil drain intervals. "If the oil can be used in Europe for extended drain intervals, why doesn't ExxonMobil notify U.S. consumers of that capability?" asks McFall.
Although Shell Oil Products, owner of Pennzoil-Quaker State, has broken through the shackles enough to offer an API unlicensed oil specially formulated for higher mileage engines, they make no mention of a recommended drain interval, preferring instead to avoid the issue and keep consumers in the dark.
McFall marvels at the success of the independent motor oil company that offers drain intervals up to 11 times longer than the standard interval offered by conventional oils, saying, "Purists can sniff that AMSOIL's data isn't derived from a controlled field study, but the sheer mountain of vehicle miles over three decades, and the absence of any confirmed performance, wear or maintenance issues, speaks volumes."
McFall sums up his column by highlighting the true value of AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil, stating the cost may be "two to three times higher than most retail conventional oils but if you can securely count on a 15,000- to 25,000-mile drain interval, it's a flat-out bargain, not to mention providing a clear environmental bonus."
So, what is it that allows AMSOIL motor oils to be used for extended drain intervals, while other oils must be changed significantly sooner? First, the synthetic base stocks with which AMSOIL motor oils are formulated are worlds apart in quality compared with conventional base stocks. The synthetic molecules are uniform in size and shape, resisting the vaporization that boils off the smaller molecules of conventional motor oils and leaves behind a thicker, higher viscosity oil that compromises engine protection. AMSOIL motor oils surpass even the most stringent European volatility standards, providing superior protection for extended drain intervals.
Second, AMSOIL spares no expense when it comes to additives, selecting the most robust additive packages on the market. These additives keep AMSOIL motor oils shear stable, resist the degrading effects of varnish and sludge, keep engine components clean and deposit-free and effectively resist rust, corrosion and foaming.
By using only the highest quality synthetic base stocks and additives available, AMSOIL motor oils are capable of extended drain intervals, all while maintaining performance, providing long-term wear protection and fuel economy, keeping engines clean and deposit-free, providing cold weather starts and protecting against rust and corrosion.
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Lubes 'n' Greases logo is a Registered Trademark of LNG Publishing Company, Inc.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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Dr. D
Dodge Dakota
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2/18/2004
20:17:45
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cbmoose
Did you know that AMSOIL has been Rated #1 by ( I will name a few) ... Fast Fours and Rotaries(FFR), an Australian performance car journal; ... Popular Hot Rodding; and ... Coast to Coast magazines?
High Performance engine builders are endorsing AMSOIL more and more every day and it comes as no surprise to me.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... Now let me give you mine.
I have saved a lot of money since switching all of my commercial lawncare equipment over to AMSOIL, and it has solved a lot of problems for me that NO Petroleum oil could do (I own SCAG, TORO, Echo and Husqvarna equipment).
I am also involved with a lot of RACERS and I am the President of MAD DUCK MOTORSPORTS.
I also serve as a Lubrication Consultant to other race teams and I have seen what AMSOIL WILL do!
I will keep buying their Products !
Dr. D
Lubrication Consultant
and President of: MAD DUCK MOTORSPORTS
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Dave B.
Dodge Dakota
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2/19/2004
10:59:43
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Steven,
I saw that you posted an Amsoil Oil Vapor Filter (CB27) for a 1998 Dakota 3.9L V6 which I do not have on my truck. I got curious so I went to Autozone and found they do carry a 90 degree valve cover hose connector(Fram P/N AF20) that connects a hose to the air hat (This is what I have). They also carry a round metal breather filter canister (BA3632) that is aslo listed in the Fram Catalog for a 1998 Dakota 3.9L V6. I am curious if the CB27 or BA3632 are older style filters or are they preferred to that of the AF20 hose connector?? The Canister style filters seem to offer a primary stage of oil vapor filtering. I was thinking this may be a good thing to help reduce engine sludge. I would appreciate any of your facts or thoughts on this.
Dave B.
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DakotaEnthusiast
2/20/2004
10:59:09
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Dave,
That's a little over my head.
Perhaps you could ask Larry of J&J Auto (member).
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Dr. D,
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Not an Amsoil comparison article or ranking article - just a racing article.
AMSOIL Sponsored Team Gets To Victory Lane
This AMSOIL-Sponsored car driven by Joe Gaita won the first USAR Hooters ProCup race of the 2003 season. The Naturally Fresh Foods 250 was run at USA International Speedway. His car was featured in the the November 2002 issue of Circle Track magazine. Joe races on the USAR Hooters ProCup Circuit.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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MattBC
Dodge Dakota
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8/02/2004
06:48:42
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how many different synthetic oils are there?
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Darryl
Dodge Dakota
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8/02/2004
16:39:48
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Alot....
Darryl
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Greg
Dodge Dakota
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8/02/2004
16:59:05
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Actually there really aren't that many "TRUE" synthetics... There are to my understanding a few more than these provided by private companies, but to my knowledge these are the best rated from top to bottom as best to not as good but not bad either...
AMSOIL
RED LINE
ROYAL PURPLE
MOBIL 1
All the other "so called" 100% synthetics are nothing more than hydrocracked regular motor oil molecules... In other words they aren't made from other sources other than cheap dino oils... Which means that it cost a whole lot less to make this oil compared to an actual synthetic, which also means that every time you pay close to the same price for this not as good synthetic, your getting ripped off by the oil company your buying it from...
Sure it may be better than the regular dino oil, but it's still not as good as an actuall synthetic motor oil...
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MattBC
Dodge Dakota
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8/03/2004
08:56:50
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Thanks Greg I was just wondering. Seems every add now is for a new kinda oil but some of the labels are confusing.
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Darryl
Dodge Dakota
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8/03/2004
14:09:59
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Greg:
You missed your calling, you should work for AMSOIL.
Darryl
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